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« Reply #500 on: June 28, 2008, 02:43:52 AM »

Who was born on Antigua and Babruda?

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« Reply #501 on: June 28, 2008, 08:01:06 AM »

Lala's -- You've got mail 
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« Reply #502 on: June 28, 2008, 08:06:46 AM »

I am at 100% on Simian now.


Go to:
http://www.hi5.com/friend/displaySearch.do

Enter the email address known to have been used by Simian and Merian and see who comes up.

The name says Michel Clermont but the pic is Armin.  Rolling Eyes

Picture to compare:  Link



fyi -- Casa Tua is (was?) a restaurant on Miami Beach.

But you all probaly knew that. 
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« Reply #503 on: June 28, 2008, 08:07:22 AM »

Lala's -- You've got mail 

Thanks.  Working on it as we speak. Will let you know.
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« Reply #504 on: June 28, 2008, 08:12:02 AM »

Jonathan graduated from Emerson College.   




I wonder where Ernesto went to college?  Hmmmm

FIU

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I thought Ernie went to college in Venezuela?? I thought the Frog posted that way back in 2005??
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« Reply #505 on: June 28, 2008, 08:16:07 AM »

Jonathan graduated from Emerson College.   




I wonder where Ernesto went to college?  Hmmmm

FIU

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I thought Ernie went to college in Venezuela?? I thought the Frog posted that way back in 2005??
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You could be right there...I hope Kermit will repost that info so we can be sure. I think some other monkeys have discovered he attended a school in Bradenton or it was called Bradenton.  I can't remember the details, but I am sure Mum will post when she drops in later.  I was kind of surprised too. Always thought the same as you until just the other day. Thanks for reminding where we heard it.
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« Reply #506 on: June 28, 2008, 08:29:19 AM »

One more thing SS

I would say that Simian/Merian was trying to protect Steve, but it is pure speculation that Shango was trying to protect Freddy at this point.  The connection to Steve and Simian is there...but the connection to Shango and Freddy is still awaiting moderation. LOL   

Lala's!

You are bringing up a great point that has perplexed me for some time.....

As I read the threads (and of course reminiscing to the days and nights that I watched the Simian and Shango postings 'live' as they were occuring on Scared Monkeys)......

You (we) have all spent 3 years 'deciphering' the code.....I have read over 100 interpretations for every line of Simian and Shango -- and well over 100 diffferent people named for each speculation....and countless interpretations of locations and events and people from all around the world (although you do spend a great deal of time in Florida  ).....

So someone please explain to me -- how did Simian and Shango IMMEDIATELY know what the other was talking about???

Sorry. I have been cursed with logical mind 



And btw...IMO -- the obscure comment about the 'rat and whiskers and drippings' -- refers to the DOPPLEGANGER who liked to use '.....' in their posts, where Simian did NOT use '...'.


One more thing -- I checked out a few of the addresses you were all posting last week as several were actually in my zip code  ....and well -- we've been in a construction boom for quite awhile and many of the places from 13 years ago are gone  But I haven't completed my survey yet

Hve a great day fellow Monkeys. I'm OFF to brave another day on the dangerous streets of South Florida 
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« Reply #507 on: June 28, 2008, 08:39:27 AM »

Jonathan graduated from Emerson College.   




I wonder where Ernesto went to college?  Hmmmm

FIU

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I thought Ernie went to college in Venezuela?? I thought the Frog posted that way back in 2005??


Hi Sharon...most of the Floridians have been very hospitable...



Ernesto    Arambatzis       

Graduation Year:   1994
City:   Porlamar
State:   NE
Country:   Venezuela


http://www.bradentonacademy.com/apps/directory/directory_item.jsp?REC_ID=131590&rn=1129278


This is the link, it goes to Bradenton Prep. School in Florida…It is not a college. The earliest we have placed him in Florida, so far is 1995, so he may have been in Venezuela.

We have also found him associated with an address in Bradenton, Florida….

Thanks for the info, once again...Have a great day!
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« Reply #508 on: June 28, 2008, 09:10:10 AM »



Hi Sharon...most of the Floridians have been very hospitable...



Ernesto    Arambatzis       

Graduation Year:   1994
City:   Porlamar
State:   NE
Country:   Venezuela


http://www.bradentonacademy.com/apps/directory/directory_item.jsp?REC_ID=131590&rn=1129278


This is the link, it goes to Bradenton Prep. School in Florida…It is not a college. The earliest we have placed him in Florida, so far is 1995, so he may have been in Venezuela.

We have also found him associated with an address in Bradenton, Florida….

Thanks for the info, once again...Have a great day!


Morning Mum! (just checking in one more time b4 I leave)

The 'Bradenton' aspect has also intrigued me but I've not had the chance to follow up yet.

Bradenton is a 'suburb' of Sarasota -- which in itself is funny because Sarasota is no 'cit' 
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« Reply #509 on: June 28, 2008, 09:16:32 AM »



Hi Sharon...most of the Floridians have been very hospitable...



Ernesto    Arambatzis       

Graduation Year:   1994
City:   Porlamar
State:   NE
Country:   Venezuela


http://www.bradentonacademy.com/apps/directory/directory_item.jsp?REC_ID=131590&rn=1129278


This is the link, it goes to Bradenton Prep. School in Florida…It is not a college. The earliest we have placed him in Florida, so far is 1995, so he may have been in Venezuela.

We have also found him associated with an address in Bradenton, Florida….

Thanks for the info, once again...Have a great day!


Morning Mum! (just checking in one more time b4 I leave)

The 'Bradenton' aspect has also intrigued me but I've not had the chance to follow up yet.

Bradenton is a 'suburb' of Sarasota -- which in itself is funny because Sarasota is no 'cit' 

(sorry -- I didn't think I hit 'post' but must have)

Anywhoo -- in 1995 the Sarasota/Bradenton area was in the throes of early development. Caters primarily to 'wealthy' retirees -- or 'wealthy' second home owners -- who were not interested in the multi-ethnicity of Florida's south east coast.

Lot's of 'banks' to handle 'trusts' -- if you get my drift.

Back in 1987 -- the Sarasota Bradenton airport resembled a beach shack 

Sarasota has tried to grow into an 'arsty fartsy' and cultural retirement image -- a 'mini 'Santa Fe' on Florida's south west coast.

I'm curious as to what (or who) brought Ernesto there at that time

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« Reply #510 on: June 28, 2008, 09:51:10 AM »

Brandenton Academy Search


http://www.facebook.com/srch.php?hs=33568045&hr=&nm=ernesto+arambatzis



FIU Search


http://www.facebook.com/srch.php?n=16777404&yr=&nm=ernesto+arambatzis
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« Reply #511 on: June 28, 2008, 10:48:04 AM »

And my nagging question is..... Who paid for Ernesto's education?

My parents retired to the Sarasota area for about 20 years and I went to visit often.  There is a lot of "old money" in that town including the St. Armends area, old Sarasota, and Siesta Key.

Last March, Finbar popped in with some information.  I have no idea where Finbar got his information, but he gave us some clues that did pan out.  He told us that we would find the 5th suspect in the Solognier/Croes family tree.  Through this, we discovered that Rufo Solognier was Steve Croes' uncle/neighbor` and that Steve Croes was in that family tree. Are Freddy and Ernesto also in that family tree some place?  Finbar never told us that Steve was actually the 5th.  Is Freddy's biological father in that tree?  At that time, we hadn't linked Armin Solognier to Simian.

Finbar also gave us these clues....

"...Frenchman...."  Solognier
"Blue blood...."     Armin Solognier's claim that Simian was a blue blood
"Cousins"  Armin, Steve, anyone else?
"Crows"   
"South American"  Venezuela?
"Curacao"
"grandmother"  I think this is Steve's grandmother and Rufo Solognier's mother-in-law
"Insurance"
"Blogs"
"ALE"  Rufo is the retired ALE Chief and probably an information source for Armin
"Ex-monkey"  Aruba Girl
Fin3/19/08
Not Shango.

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« Reply #512 on: June 28, 2008, 10:53:23 AM »

LOL...I have posted it three times...and each time I want it I have to search...going to save the links to my posts!...

the link is no longer available.

www.nbc4i.com/news/4593143/detail.html

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

Late Friday, one of three young men who took Holloway to the beach during her class trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said.

The three men arrested by Aruban police early Thursday morning had been designated "persons of interest" in the case and were detained soon after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Police officials questioned the trio, and then released them back to their families.

And more…..

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

And then I posted:
OK....I just read that the arrest I posted above was NOT related to Natalee!

Next I posted:
Same arrest....now it didn't happen!

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005ORANJESTAD, Aruba:

Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Halloway.

Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.

However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.













The drama of the car chase was no doubt orchestrated to divert the media attention away from the 5th suspect who was brought in for questioning.  Who was protecting the 5th suspect?
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« Reply #513 on: June 28, 2008, 11:45:09 AM »

Here are the last names from the specific family tree that Finbar sent us to.  Remember, these are not the current one or two generations, because those names are not made public in most family trees.  This is what is making it so difficult to trace current cousins.  Who else is a cousin besides Steve Croes?

Croes (lots of them), van der Westen, van der Biest, van der Woestijne, Poppe, Specht, Solangier, Solognier, Castro, Ravine, Tromp, Lampe, xxxxxx, Henriques.  Imolda Satitia Saliana is the mother of Steve Croes.
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« Reply #514 on: June 28, 2008, 11:59:00 AM »

Are these names Familiar?  Gerald Oduber (19), Joe Oduber (23), Gos Oduber (46), Orson Oduber (20)
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« Reply #515 on: June 28, 2008, 02:04:27 PM »

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« Reply #516 on: June 28, 2008, 03:56:46 PM »

my responses in blue

Last March, Finbar popped in with some information.  I have no idea where Finbar got his information, but he gave us some clues that did pan out.  He told us that we would find the 5th suspect in the Solognier/Croes family tree.  Through this, we discovered that Rufo Solognier was Steve Croes' uncle/neighbor` and that Steve Croes was in that family tree. Are Freddy and Ernesto also in that family tree some place?  Finbar never told us that Steve was actually the 5th.  Is Freddy's biological father in that tree?  At that time, we hadn't linked Armin Solognier to Simian.

Finbar also gave us these clues....

"...Frenchman...." Solognier yes

"Blue blood...." Armin Solognier's claim that Simian was a blue blood
yes, altho fin would disagree that sim = Armin

"Cousins"  Armin, Steve, anyone else? AG

"Crows" finspeak for Croes ... AG/Steve Croes = cousins
 
"South American"  Venezuela? grandmother

"Curacao" grandmother

"grandmother"  I think this is Steve's grandmother and Rufo Solognier's mother-in-law
and related to AG as well

"Insurance" AG worked in gov't insurance bureau

"Blogs" AG was most prolific aruban blogger/summer '05
in terms of total posts/forum memberships


"ALE"  Rufo is the retired ALE Chief and probably an information source for Armin
and AG

"Ex-monkey"  Aruba Girl yes

Fin 3/19/08 um ... what's this? date of fin's post?

Not Shango. when fin's AG/sim theory hit the forums
AG denied being shango ... fin was like WTF?


Search: Solaganier + genaruba

FWIW:
fin's early conclusions/about 18 months ago
were reinforced when he worked AG's geneaology
in more depth recently

fin is one of the most logical/dogged thinkers
I've ever encountered
so I still agree w/ his theory that AG = sim

I did start this post w/ FWIW ... LOL ...
since I know that AG = sim  = unpopular

sim posing as male = plausible deniability ...
said deniability being one component of fin's theory ...
going underground = change important details

June 28 2005 2:21 am Robalo33:
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

AG said that her female cuz was ALE
and also said: all 4 cops that I know worked the case

perhaps the same could be said re ALE cuz:
(fe)male cuz = plausible deniability

everyone did a great job w/ fin's clues
but just barely missed his true intention

he also thought one of the doppelgangers
may have been AG's mom, since they live together
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

... In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or actor to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party—ostensibly unconnected with the major player ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability

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« Reply #517 on: June 28, 2008, 04:07:37 PM »

So, Ernesto went to school in Bradenton, but listed his hometown as Porlamar, Venezuela.  Maybe he didn't spend much time on Aruba.  Freddy might have only been on Aruba for a few years, himself.  If Urine said that Freddy spoke terrible English and didn't undertand Pap, then that means Freddy speaks Spanish.  Mum is right.  Would that also mean that Ernesto most likely speaks Spanish and he probably wouldn't realize it if someone insulted him in Pap?  Who paid for Ernesto's tuition at Bradenton and why didn't Freddy get the same deal?  I wonder if Ernesto and/or Freddy are related to the Mansurs who also have interests in that part of Venezuela. Could Lillian be a cousin or the mother of one or two of their illegitimate kids? 
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« Reply #518 on: June 28, 2008, 04:18:32 PM »

my responses in blue

Last March, Finbar popped in with some information.  I have no idea where Finbar got his information, but he gave us some clues that did pan out.  He told us that we would find the 5th suspect in the Solognier/Croes family tree.  Through this, we discovered that Rufo Solognier was Steve Croes' uncle/neighbor` and that Steve Croes was in that family tree. Are Freddy and Ernesto also in that family tree some place?  Finbar never told us that Steve was actually the 5th.  Is Freddy's biological father in that tree?  At that time, we hadn't linked Armin Solognier to Simian.

Finbar also gave us these clues....

"...Frenchman...." Solognier yes

"Blue blood...." Armin Solognier's claim that Simian was a blue blood
yes, altho fin would disagree that sim = Armin

"Cousins"  Armin, Steve, anyone else? AG

"Crows" finspeak for Croes ... AG/Steve Croes = cousins
 
"South American"  Venezuela? grandmother

"Curacao" grandmother

"grandmother"  I think this is Steve's grandmother and Rufo Solognier's mother-in-law
and related to AG as well

"Insurance" AG worked in gov't insurance bureau

"Blogs" AG was most prolific aruban blogger/summer '05
in terms of total posts/forum memberships


"ALE"  Rufo is the retired ALE Chief and probably an information source for Armin
and AG

"Ex-monkey"  Aruba Girl yes

Fin 3/19/08 um ... what's this? date of fin's post?

Not Shango. when fin's AG/sim theory hit the forums
AG denied being shango ... fin was like WTF?


Search: Solaganier + genaruba

FWIW:
fin's early conclusions/about 18 months ago
were reinforced when he worked AG's geneaology
in more depth recently

fin is one of the most logical/dogged thinkers
I've ever encountered
so I still agree w/ his theory that AG = sim

I did start this post w/ FWIW ... LOL ...
since I know that AG = sim  = unpopular

sim posing as male = plausible deniability ...
said deniability being one component of fin's theory ...
going underground = change important details

June 28 2005 2:21 am Robalo33:
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

AG said that her female cuz was ALE
and also said: all 4 cops that I know worked the case

perhaps the same could be said re ALE cuz:
(fe)male cuz = plausible deniability

everyone did a great job w/ fin's clues
but just barely missed his true intention

he also thought one of the doppelgangers
may have been AG's mom, since they live together
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

... In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or actor to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party—ostensibly unconnected with the major player ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability





Finngirl - thanks for the explanation.  Since that time, some of us have come up with the theory that another cousin, Armin, is Simian and not AG.  Is there possibly a fourth cousin in that group who Finbar wanted us to look at?  Is there anyone else involved with Natalee's disappearance that could be part of that family tree and someone that Simian would want to protect?
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« Reply #519 on: June 28, 2008, 04:25:24 PM »

my responses in blue

Last March, Finbar popped in with some information.  I have no idea where Finbar got his information, but he gave us some clues that did pan out.  He told us that we would find the 5th suspect in the Solognier/Croes family tree.  Through this, we discovered that Rufo Solognier was Steve Croes' uncle/neighbor` and that Steve Croes was in that family tree. Are Freddy and Ernesto also in that family tree some place?  Finbar never told us that Steve was actually the 5th.  Is Freddy's biological father in that tree?  At that time, we hadn't linked Armin Solognier to Simian.

Finbar also gave us these clues....

"...Frenchman...." Solognier yes

"Blue blood...." Armin Solognier's claim that Simian was a blue blood
yes, altho fin would disagree that sim = Armin

"Cousins"  Armin, Steve, anyone else? AG

"Crows" finspeak for Croes ... AG/Steve Croes = cousins
 
"South American"  Venezuela? grandmother

"Curacao" grandmother

"grandmother"  I think this is Steve's grandmother and Rufo Solognier's mother-in-law
and related to AG as well

"Insurance" AG worked in gov't insurance bureau

"Blogs" AG was most prolific aruban blogger/summer '05
in terms of total posts/forum memberships


"ALE"  Rufo is the retired ALE Chief and probably an information source for Armin
and AG

"Ex-monkey"  Aruba Girl yes

Fin 3/19/08 um ... what's this? date of fin's post?

Not Shango. when fin's AG/sim theory hit the forums
AG denied being shango ... fin was like WTF?


Search: Solaganier + genaruba

FWIW:
fin's early conclusions/about 18 months ago
were reinforced when he worked AG's geneaology
in more depth recently

fin is one of the most logical/dogged thinkers
I've ever encountered
so I still agree w/ his theory that AG = sim

I did start this post w/ FWIW ... LOL ...
since I know that AG = sim  = unpopular

sim posing as male = plausible deniability ...
said deniability being one component of fin's theory ...
going underground = change important details

June 28 2005 2:21 am Robalo33:
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

AG said that her female cuz was ALE
and also said: all 4 cops that I know worked the case

perhaps the same could be said re ALE cuz:
(fe)male cuz = plausible deniability

everyone did a great job w/ fin's clues
but just barely missed his true intention

he also thought one of the doppelgangers
may have been AG's mom, since they live together
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

... In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or actor to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party—ostensibly unconnected with the major player ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability






Finngirl - I guess this means that Finbar does feel that Steve Croes is the 5th suspect.  Do you know why he feels that Steve was the fifth one arrested?
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