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« Reply #540 on: June 29, 2008, 09:41:22 AM »

Joran tells who Freddy's father is in his book...anyone have a copy?
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« Reply #541 on: June 29, 2008, 09:41:25 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?
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« Reply #542 on: June 29, 2008, 09:48:13 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

I think that was a Caps discussion. We never really settled on anything with that one. LOL

The 5th suspect has to have a home that allows a party or get together on a Sunday night.  I don't think that would be Steve since he was supposed to be working guarding the Tattoo and he lived with gramma.  Jaime had to get up early next day and his parents were there too. Guido was in the casino until about 2 that morning.  So you are left with someone that has a house and had friends over...Paulus or Lorenzo...if Paulus was indeed gambling until 4 in the morning that leaves Lorenzo...unless there are others that we don't have details on whereabout yet.  Then again, Simian may have used the term "house" and "party" as metaphors for something else.  Just my thoughts. 
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« Reply #543 on: June 29, 2008, 09:54:27 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

I think that was a Caps discussion. We never really settled on anything with that one. LOL

The 5th suspect has to have a home that allows a party or get together on a Sunday night.  I don't think that would be Steve since he was supposed to be working guarding the Tattoo and he lived with gramma.  Jaime had to get up early next day and his parents were there too. Guido was in the casino until about 2 that morning.  So you are left with someone that has a house and had friends over...Paulus or Lorenzo...if Paulus was indeed gambling until 4 in the morning that leaves Lorenzo...unless there are others that we don't have details on whereabout yet.  Then again, Simian may have used the term "house" and "party" as metaphors for something else.  Just my thoughts. 



JC has his own house and I think a J and a C were part of the letters in that discussion.  Was there also an A?
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« Reply #544 on: June 29, 2008, 09:54:58 AM »

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« Reply #545 on: June 29, 2008, 09:55:54 AM »

Jaime would need to be explored further.  I would love to know more details...have looked and we have very little to go with him.
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« Reply #546 on: June 29, 2008, 09:58:15 AM »

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It was in this last period of government – in September 1999 – that the cabinet Eman II came forward with an audacious project that would bring new life into San Nicolas, a district to which traditionally many promises were made in election time while seldom anything came out of it. The project amounted to the construction of a super-modern racetrack at Seroe Colorado at the north coast. Businessman Carlo Mansur had invited the American Ralph Sanchez, owner of a racetrack in Florida, to design a similar racetrack for Aruba. The government supported this project with – again – a government guarantee. The project would attract world class motor races and would bring thousands of race fans as tourists to Aruba.

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« Reply #547 on: June 29, 2008, 10:07:59 AM »

Jaime would need to be explored further.  I would love to know more details...have looked and we have very little to go with him.




Jaime and the Pimps were all in the process of being arrested or questioned.  They couldn't have provided an alibi so tight for him that they would have to let him go.  The alibi had to play for someone else and it had to be a powerful alibi.  John C's friends could alibi him because they weren't under suspicion.
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« Reply #548 on: June 29, 2008, 10:08:54 AM »

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That collaboration between bus companies, resorts and restaurants is what makes Aruba so perfect for incentive groups and conventions. Wichita is naturally very pleased about the signing of the first-ever Tax Information Exchange Agreement (TIEA) with the U.S.A. The documents were signed by the U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow and the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber. TIEA was designed to ensure an exchange of information regarding taxes, and it will help develop a close and cooperative relationship between Aruba and the United States as the pact also offers tax deductions to the group & meeting/incentives market doing business here. Headquartered in Florida where she also owns and operates a franchise of PRA Destination Management, Wichita reports she cross-promotes Aruba to many of her groups visiting her territory, from the Florida Keys to Orlando. Her daughter Maureen is at the helm at PRA, proudly walking in her mom's footsteps.

Incidentally, among Wichita's most notable accomplishments this year was the ISES, International Special Events Society convention. Members convened for a seminar at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino determined to improve their knowledge and skills. The educational program was put together by Wichita under the auspices of the Aruba Convention Bureau. Joining in for the duration of the seminar Executive Editor, Shari Lynn Rothstein, of BizBashFla, Florida's source for fresh news, ideas and resources for special events, meetings and business entertaining. Wichita extended a special invitation to the magazine to come to Aruba. Among the busy diva's future plans? She has new tricks up her sleeve. Wichita is developing special new products to entertain large groups, responding to the latest trends in the market. Stay tuned, her "Lounging In Aruba" party organized for her next client will be a first, a never before, a real guest-pleaser!

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« Reply #549 on: June 29, 2008, 10:14:45 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

I think that was a Caps discussion. We never really settled on anything with that one. LOL

The 5th suspect has to have a home that allows a party or get together on a Sunday night.  I don't think that would be Steve since he was supposed to be working guarding the Tattoo and he lived with gramma.  Jaime had to get up early next day and his parents were there too. Guido was in the casino until about 2 that morning.  So you are left with someone that has a house and had friends over...Paulus or Lorenzo...if Paulus was indeed gambling until 4 in the morning that leaves Lorenzo...unless there are others that we don't have details on whereabout yet.  Then again, Simian may have used the term "house" and "party" as metaphors for something else.  Just my thoughts. 

If it's Paulus (and I suspect it is) then the eye of God sees him at the table and establishes an alibi - however that same alibi is somewhat compromised when it is revealed that he is sitting next to the missing person and engaging her in conversation.

interesting that the one piece of video tape is somewhat obscured. As to mean - that piece of tape only establishes one point and not an overall alibi. What would the purpose be to only release a piece that throws more scrutiny in a person that has nothing to do with it? If he is there all nite (say until 4 am) then he is also in the vicinity of the area his son has placed himself and the missing person, Natalee.

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« Reply #550 on: June 29, 2008, 10:17:45 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

This one
Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research? The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes. Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J. Young parents, young grandparents but possible.... To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr". Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about? Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY?

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?
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« Reply #551 on: June 29, 2008, 10:19:51 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

I think that was a Caps discussion. We never really settled on anything with that one. LOL

The 5th suspect has to have a home that allows a party or get together on a Sunday night.  I don't think that would be Steve since he was supposed to be working guarding the Tattoo and he lived with gramma.  Jaime had to get up early next day and his parents were there too. Guido was in the casino until about 2 that morning.  So you are left with someone that has a house and had friends over...Paulus or Lorenzo...if Paulus was indeed gambling until 4 in the morning that leaves Lorenzo...unless there are others that we don't have details on whereabout yet.  Then again, Simian may have used the term "house" and "party" as metaphors for something else.  Just my thoughts. 

If it's Paulus (and I suspect it is) then the eye of God sees him at the table and establishes an alibi - however that same alibi is somewhat compromised when it is revealed that he is sitting next to the missing person and engaging her in conversation.

interesting that the one piece of video tape is somewhat obscured. As to mean - that piece of tape only establishes one point and not an overall alibi. What would the purpose be to only release a piece that throws more scrutiny in a person that has nothing to do with it? If he is there all nite (say until 4 am) then he is also in the vicinity of the area his son has placed himself and the missing person, Natalee.

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I'm looking at Chemaly as Joran's boyfriend and the one who worked with Daury Davin.
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« Reply #552 on: June 29, 2008, 10:29:31 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

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Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research? The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes. Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J. Young parents, young grandparents but possible.... To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr". Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about? Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY?

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?




Could it have been JAC, Jr.  Where is CAPS when we need him?
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« Reply #553 on: June 29, 2008, 10:37:28 AM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Cores, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALe only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

I think that was a Caps discussion. We never really settled on anything with that one. LOL

The 5th suspect has to have a home that allows a party or get together on a Sunday night.  I don't think that would be Steve since he was supposed to be working guarding the Tattoo and he lived with gramma.  Jaime had to get up early next day and his parents were there too. Guido was in the casino until about 2 that morning.  So you are left with someone that has a house and had friends over...Paulus or Lorenzo...if Paulus was indeed gambling until 4 in the morning that leaves Lorenzo...unless there are others that we don't have details on whereabout yet.  Then again, Simian may have used the term "house" and "party" as metaphors for something else.  Just my thoughts. 

If it's Paulus (and I suspect it is) then the eye of God sees him at the table and establishes an alibi - however that same alibi is somewhat compromised when it is revealed that he is sitting next to the missing person and engaging her in conversation.

interesting that the one piece of video tape is somewhat obscured. As to mean - that piece of tape only establishes one point and not an overall alibi. What would the purpose be to only release a piece that throws more scrutiny in a person that has nothing to do with it? If he is there all nite (say until 4 am) then he is also in the vicinity of the area his son has placed himself and the missing person, Natalee.

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I'm looking at Chemaly as Joran's boyfriend and the one who worked with Daury Davin.



That didn't come out the way I wanted it to.  It should have said, worked on disposing of the body with Duary Daven.

Rob - remember the party-goers - Chemaly, Renfro, Arendsz, Briezen.
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« Reply #554 on: June 29, 2008, 11:35:08 AM »

SS do a search on Caps posts here at SM
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« Reply #555 on: June 29, 2008, 12:06:08 PM »

LaLa's sharpen your pencils because this one is out of the box.

The 5th suspect has an alibi so string. It has everybody baffled.  The 5th was a boyfriend from earlier in the week.  The party-goers said the 5th one was with them.  He was the host.  How could he have left.  A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends.  He couldn’t have done it.  Sometimes friends will cover for each other.  He had to be let go.  I did not say an ex.  Girl goes out with cool and crazy guy in casino.  After a couple of days girl meets another boy in casino.  This makes first guy really mad.  So he confronts second boy.  However, the first guy has an airtight alibi.   Some friends say that they were at  home with him. Until morning.  He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.  The first guy has the motive.  The seond guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.  It was a simple party at his house.  He was “the whole time”.

In light of what we now know about Joran’s sexual activities and considering that we identified JR and JC as party-goers several months ago, this story might not be about jealousy over a girl.  What if it is jealousy between two guys?   The first guy almost has to be older and has his own house.  We originally thought LVR, but LVR wouldn’t be having a romance with his half brother.  What young kid could have a party on a school night where his friends stayed until morning?  What if Natalee just hung out with a guy she met in the casino for some fun and then a few days later met up with Joran.  Guy number one is attracted to Joran and gets mad because Joran was with Natalee when he arrived at the Matty Apts. - so something bad happened to Natalee.  He was jealous of Natalee.  Who besides Guido might have had a romance with Joran? Guido didn’t have his own house – he was still in school.  Joran’s friends didn’t live in Oranjestadt.   Who had a house where friends could party and stay all night?  One of JC’s friends is Davin.  JC had his own house and his gay friends would cover for him and say they stayed all night.  JR could even say that she was at his party because they’re friends and he’s her boss.  Who’s going to doubt the madame when she offers a tight alibi for him?  This guy didn’t stay in jail at all because his alibi was so tight.  They had to let him go.  Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?  Was JC the 5th?  Did JR set up the car chase that morning as a diversion because her sources told her that ALE was coming to arrest JC and she had to protect him from the media?  It wasn’t a BonDia reporter that looked like an idiot in the end.  Davin is JC's friend who helped his buddy dispose of Natalee.  JR owns the tourist boat with the banana boat behind it.  Davin could easily have left for Holland the next morning and he has recently moved to New Zealand.  Didn’t Patrick say that he had left Holland?  When the suspect was arrested on the 11th, he was described as being in his 20s - not a 17 year old kid.  JC is now 34.  The 5th was a boyfriend from earlier in the week, but not a boyfriend of Natalee - a boyfriend of Joran.  Natalee met a guy and then a boy.  The first one was not a boy like Joran.




Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He (jealous boyfriend) had to be let go

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[repeating himself] Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus (He) has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot (he) has been taken in again by Aruban Police.


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« Reply #556 on: June 29, 2008, 12:11:34 PM »

He knows they know he was with her.
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« Reply #557 on: June 29, 2008, 01:16:56 PM »

For all who are interested in the Croes initials, we seem to have overlooked a couple of guys. An interesting thing…It appears that a lot in Aruba are named after an uncle, that is how they become junior…same name as the uncle, not the father. Not to say it is always the case and have no idea what the Junior here really stands for!

JMO, but a son of Betico being involved, would explain a lot. Even though he was AVP, I doubt anyone in Aruba would be in a hurry to tarnish the name of Betico Croes. BTW, he and Jossy were around the same age (Just thinking about a post that Silverfox made a little while back!)


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Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

The accident he suffered was questioned by many for years since a car was seen leaving the area after the accident. This conspiracy theory was never proven.

He was the leader of the political party M.E.P. (Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo) and was the person responsible for the Seal, Flag and Hymn of the island of Aruba. The hymn was co-written by renowned Padu Del Caribe (Padu Lampe), and Rufo Wever who also composed the anthem.
In the 1980s he also said that Aruba should target the tourism in order the diversify the economy since it depended mainly on the refinery.
He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert and Junior Croes and 2 daughters Lalo Saladin-Croes and Guisette Croes.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes"

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« Reply #558 on: June 29, 2008, 01:18:32 PM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Croes, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALE only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

IIRC the initials SGJC were used
on the day Steve was detained

IIRC only one media source used SGJC ...
the others used SGC

IIRC there's a FP article that day,
will look for that

don't recall hearing first 2 initials only as the norm ...
Geoffrey was referred to as GvC

wasn't Lorenzo referred to as LvR ... ?
(after his pot farm bust)

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« Reply #559 on: June 29, 2008, 01:28:41 PM »

Does anyone remember a discussion that we all had back around March?  It involved the initials of the 5th suspect.  We thought it was SC involving Steve Croes, but there were some other letters included.  We were told that normally ALE only releases the first two initials in someone's name.  Does anyone remember that conversation and what the letters were?

IIRC the initials SGJC were used
on the day Steve was detained

IIRC only one media source used SGJC ...
the others used SGC

IIRC there's a FP article that day,
will look for that

don't recall hearing first 2 initials only as the norm ...
Geoffrey was referred to as GvC

wasn't Lorenzo referred to as LvR ... ?
(after his pot farm bust)




Hi Finn...the first two initials thingy is in your forgot/remember thread...

Courtesy of one of the misinformants....bondia or the like, said it didn't happen in this case as the case was too high profile! It was in reference to the F.A.

Strange that when I see anything on the Luis Mansur case, he is listed as L.E.M. 
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