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« Reply #560 on: June 29, 2008, 01:32:38 PM »

Poochy, Colombo, SF and all,

Something just hit me. I remember I was watching a show of a channel like Discovery, and it was about gambling and slot machines. How the machines could be beaten and compromised. There was experts from Bally's and people who had actually cheated the machines.

In the program they revealed a very interesting fact. All slot machines play the same three notes. It might have been like A-C-G. I'm not totally sure what the notes were, I forget. Anyway, these notes in a specific combination, are apparently pleasing to the human ear.

wonder if this could be the poison notes and follow the music?
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« Reply #561 on: June 29, 2008, 01:33:31 PM »

Rob...does Armin play golf? Have an IQ of 149? TIA

I have a whole lot on Wichita, if you are interested....I think I may even be able to find it!...LOL
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« Reply #562 on: June 29, 2008, 01:39:04 PM »


ah, BS from bondia/Julia Renfro ...

"thanks for the memories"

I better check that thread
and see what else I forgot, LOL

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« Reply #563 on: June 29, 2008, 01:45:12 PM »


ah, BS from bondia/Julia Renfro ...

"thanks for the memories"

I better check that thread
and see what else I forgot, LOL



 

I go there often...Thanks!
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« Reply #564 on: June 29, 2008, 01:45:40 PM »


a kicker re initials

USA Today 6/18/2005
Steve Gregory Croes, 26, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and voluntarily gave a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-06-17-aruba-arrest_x.htm

FOX News Friday, June 17, 2005
According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot , the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

(CBS/AP) June 18, 2005
Aruban authorities broadened their investigation into the case of a missing U.S. teen Saturday after arresting a party boat disc jockey.

The Aruban attorney general's office released a statement announcing the arrest, but identified Croes only by his initials, "S.G.C."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/world/main702601.shtml
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OK, the source for most media outlets is AP/Associated Press ...
if AP says SGC then most media outlets will use what AP provided

so, this from the FP is interesting:
UPDATE: Initials S.C. born 21 -07-1978 –> Has only one hit in national health system: Steve Gregg C. J. Croes
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/17/

provided by arubagirl via her employee database ...
hmmmm

I knew I'd seen it on the FP but had forgotten the "source"

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« Reply #565 on: June 29, 2008, 01:53:37 PM »

Rob...does Armin play golf? Have an IQ of 149? TIA

I have a whole lot on Wichita, if you are interested....I think I may even be able to find it!...LOL

I don't know if he plays. I play. Have you ever met a banker that doesn't? 

I would say his IQ is easily 149 or higher.
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« Reply #566 on: June 29, 2008, 02:10:59 PM »

Rob...does Armin play golf? Have an IQ of 149? TIA

I have a whole lot on Wichita, if you are interested....I think I may even be able to find it!...LOL

I don't know if he plays. I play. Have you ever met a banker that doesn't? 

I would say his IQ is easily 149 or higher.

Thanks Rob for the info! I have been meaning to ask you these questions forever!
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« Reply #567 on: June 29, 2008, 02:41:58 PM »

We are back to square one again...was Steve the 4th or 5th person arrested?  It's debatable and we have argued this point through 4 Shango threads.  The person that is the 5th suspect has to meet certain facts as laid out by Simian. 

Had a party at his house.
Was a boyfriend from earlier in the week. (Who's BF?)
Those at his party was his alibi.
The alibi did not play out for the Sloots
Left said party to go help Joran.

Paulus fits.  Lorenzo fits. Steve fits. Freddy fits....everyone fits one or more of these things.  That is the problem.  I love it when we start over...just confuses the heck out of me. LOL
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« Reply #568 on: June 29, 2008, 03:30:18 PM »

We are back to square one again...was Steve the 4th or 5th person arrested?  It's debatable and we have argued this point through 4 Shango threads.  The person that is the 5th suspect has to meet certain facts as laid out by Simian. 

Had a party at his house.
Was a boyfriend from earlier in the week. (Who's BF?)
Those at his party was his alibi.
The alibi did not play out for the Sloots
Left said party to go help Joran.

Paulus fits.  Lorenzo fits. Steve fits. Freddy fits....everyone fits one or more of these things.  That is the problem.  I love it when we start over...just confuses the heck out of me. LOL


or there was not a party at his house and some friends covered and said there was
the partygoers would then be able to be pinched-for perjury

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« Reply #569 on: June 29, 2008, 03:38:34 PM »

Poochy, Colombo, SF and all,

Something just hit me. I remember I was watching a show of a channel like Discovery, and it was about gambling and slot machines. How the machines could be beaten and compromised. There was experts from Bally's and people who had actually cheated the machines.

In the program they revealed a very interesting fact. All slot machines play the same three notes. It might have been like A-C-G. I'm not totally sure what the notes were, I forget. Anyway, these notes in a specific combination, are apparently pleasing to the human ear.

wonder if this could be the poison notes and follow the music?

interesting.....

had thought that perhaps the reference was in regards to the credit limits, follow the money (note=loan)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing
 
[which song?]
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

[know=be owed?]
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
 The fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.


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« Reply #570 on: June 29, 2008, 04:40:33 PM »

Poochy, Colombo, SF and all,

Something just hit me. I remember I was watching a show of a channel like Discovery, and it was about gambling and slot machines. How the machines could be beaten and compromised. There was experts from Bally's and people who had actually cheated the machines.

In the program they revealed a very interesting fact. All slot machines play the same three notes. It might have been like A-C-G. I'm not totally sure what the notes were, I forget. Anyway, these notes in a specific combination, are apparently pleasing to the human ear.

wonder if this could be the poison notes and follow the music?

Rob, interesting... I do believe all this is tied to Joran's gambling habit, poison notes and maybe a locked doorway beyond the slot machine area where parties take place inside the casinos.

Check out GvCromvoirt.

Patrick said it's someone who worked on a "tourist boat". The Tattoo boat went immediately up for sale which could imply SCroes the DJ, but "the music man's song was not on the bill" so I'm ruling him out. Working on a toursit boat could also be someone pimping themselves out for $. GvCromvoirt's daddy could be the elder who provided security for the founders of babylon (casinos) and could also be the 'elder' that walks in all places, not seeking pleasure for himself. GvCromvoirt also fled Aruba. Heard on blogs he had a white pickup truck and immediately sold it. What was his alibi the night she went missing? Was GVCromvoirt at C&C that night? GvCromvoirt and MDompig both worked for the security firm, then left. GVCromvoirt was not working for it when Natalee went missing. We all heard he was a 'beach bum' and had contact with Natalee.

Patrick said the guy is from Rotterdam, and they need the body to connect it to 'the guy'. Is the DNA from the VCB shirt?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/20/ng.01.html
MORET: Well -- well, before we get there, you heard Beth Twitty talk about a shirt. And what she was talking about is in June of 2005, there was a shirt with a logo, VCB logo, on it, and that was found on the south side of the island with blood on it. It was originally not believed to be involved in this particular case. However, we were told by Mr. Tacopina, the attorney representing Joran Van Der Sloot, that Van Cromvoirt was detained because recovered his T-shirt with forensic evidence pertinent to this case on the south side of the island. It`s not known whether it`s the same T-shirt, but VCB is the security company that Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt works for now. And according to the statement released by his family, he did not have access to those T-shirts at the time of Natalee`s disappearance, did not own those T-shirts at the time of Natalee`s disappearance.
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Per Patrick,

Q: In the Range Rover Joran mentions a name: Daury Ravens. This guy is supposed to have dumped the body of Natalee. Does Daury Ravens exist?
P: No. The one I suspect lives in Rotterdam.
Q: Who is this person?
P: I have mentioned two names with the ALE. And they were VERY impressed by it.
Q: How can it that this guy from Rotterdam hasn't been arrested yet?
P: Because they're not talking. The only thing the police need is DNA. That's what they want. They need the body, man. The body. Then they can connect it with that guy.Q: Joran told more. The guy who made Natalee dissapear worked on a touristboat with a banana behind it.
P: He wanted those banana's in his butt, that guy...that's something else!...Oh, I'm not allowed to say that.
Q: Who told you that?
P: Adolph Richardson told me that. He won't be happy about this, but I'm being honest. I like Richardson but this is taking too long.
Q: Joran as a male prostitute. Is that relevant for this case?
P: I think so. Some people did things for Joran, one could think: why would they do that?


Hmmmm...why WOULD they do things for Joran? Sporter has a big mouth?
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« Reply #571 on: June 29, 2008, 05:23:34 PM »


The members of the Visibility Team are recruited from the ranks of the Police AND from Rodana Security  Aha! Here lies our poison siren!

5/16/06 8:28 AM the grey whisper said "...Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower?"

Sentries=hired security who saw on cameras what happened - but said they fell asleep in the week hours of the morning Nat went missing. So where ever the security cameras were situated could imply they filmed the crime scene. But the tape was wiped clean, or evidence was tampered, so to cover that up the 'sentries' said they fell asleep and forgot to record, film, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/5jdtqw

VCB Security has a direct public/private relationship with the Visibility Police on Aruba. What are some of the other projects for VCB Security? Mambo Jambo Nightclub Aruba and the Marriott Resort & Casino Aruba. The very resort that Joran Van der Sloot claims he and Natalee were dropped off at by Deepak Kalpoe?

The idea came about three years ago and the private sector, the hotels, banded together to fund raise for a better Police and security system. As a result of public resources and private funding coming together, Aruba today has a professionally trained and fully equipped Visibility Team patrolling the high rise area of Palm Beach, the low rise area of Eagle Beach, the downtown Mecca of shopping, Oranjestad and now also San Nicolas. It was an instant success from the get go as it brought about an exodus of troublemakers from Aruba’s premium spots.


"They have a security firm that has a “consulting” relationship with the “Visibility Team.”

The Visibility Team is as Aruba.com states:

The members of the Visibility Team are recruited from the ranks of the Police and from Rodana Security, they are all well trained and nicely equipped for the job.”
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« Reply #572 on: June 29, 2008, 05:35:28 PM »

I just read something very interesting on http://www.vcbsecurity.com

Live casino images can be viewed by livestreaming via xDSL AND cellphone/PDA via internet access. So the watchtower centries can film poker hands and send directly to a PDA within the casino who can give signals?

Didn't a tourist get upset with Joran, saying he was cheating or something?
 
"...This is a complete view of all the camera systems we can offer you or your company. These can both be wired or wireless with all the options you can imagine.

You or your company can view the live images at an observation center in both your or our company this is all to your liking. Observation can be done by a observation center in your company it self or you as company executive can view live images and recorded images in the comfort of your own house. This is possible by livestreaming via xDSL and is possible everywhere where there is a xDSL connection. Also there is mobile observation possible by cellphone or by PDA. (this is possible where you have internet acces with your cellphone or PDA).


Then again, based on this, Sander's cell phone went missing right? Was security hooked up in an off hours casino that night and broadcast to a few of the missing cel phones?
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« Reply #573 on: June 29, 2008, 07:08:38 PM »

Thanks for reminding me Colombo. I had forgotten that possibility.

One more thought...now everyone sit down...what if Simian was just trying to distract us from the real truth...whatever that is and neither Simian or Shango are even players in this case?  What if Shango was one of the other posters that came to SM as a paid shill to simply send us on a wild goose chase and nothing Simian, Shango, Merian, or any of the others mean anything at all?  That means I have wasted all my time working on this damn riddle!   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #574 on: June 29, 2008, 08:02:24 PM »

The guy who made Natalee dissapear worked on a touristboat with a banana behind it.

Hi Poochy -

Julia Renfron is the editor of BonDia which is owned by John A. Chemaly, Jr.  We were told that these two were involved in the event.  Julia also owns a watersports company that has larger boats that pull banana boats.  I posted a picture a few days ago.  Tattoo doesn't pull a banana boat.  I have been able to link a person named Davin to Chemaly.  Davin left Holland around Christmas time or before.  He is in New Zealand.  This would also fit that Patrick wasn't able to meet with Davin because he had left the country.  Joar said that this person went back and forth to Aruba on business.  This would eliminate the 17 year old friends.  Chemaly is gay and could be a link to Joran.

We were also told that two of Rudy's sons were involved.  I don't know if they were legitimate or illegitimate sons because apparantly he has both.  We were also looking at sons of Oduber and Dompig.  Michael Dompig reportedly worked for the black team and Julia Renfro's watersports company.  I posted pictures of Michael with the watersports company boats several months ago.  They are back in the threads somewhere.

I have been working on an assumption that the car chase and the decapitated body were diversions set up by Renfro to coverup things that were occuring simultaneously.  On July 11th, someone unidentified and in his 20s was arrested at his home in Oranjestadt.  On July 11th Tiel from Diario was involved in the car chase.  I am looking at this as Tiel being setup to keep the media away from the arrest.

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« Reply #575 on: June 29, 2008, 09:18:00 PM »

Rob - I am responding to your post on the NH thread.  Do we know for sure that Michael Dompig is gay?  If so, that would open another can of worms.  He could be the 5th.  He could have met Natalee earlier in the week and then had the confrontation with Joran at the Matty Apts.  He's older than the Pimps and might easily have had his own apt. or house where he could have used the "party at home" alibi.  Michael did work for the Black Team and he did work for the watersports company, thus having access to the banana boat.
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« Reply #576 on: June 29, 2008, 09:24:14 PM »

JUNE 10TH. AND 11TH.

On 7-12 PAUL REYNOLDS told MSNBC, “I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.” “I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did. At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.”

And possibly the Aruba-bay videos…….
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« Reply #577 on: June 29, 2008, 09:34:58 PM »

The guy who made Natalee dissapear worked on a touristboat with a banana behind it.

Hi Poochy -

Julia Renfron is the editor of BonDia which is owned by John A. Chemaly, Jr.  We were told that these two were involved in the event.  Julia also owns a watersports company that has larger boats that pull banana boats.  I posted a picture a few days ago.  Tattoo doesn't pull a banana boat.  I have been able to link a person named Davin to Chemaly.  Davin left Holland around Christmas time or before.  He is in New Zealand.  This would also fit that Patrick wasn't able to meet with Davin because he had left the country.  Joar said that this person went back and forth to Aruba on business.  This would eliminate the 17 year old friends.  Chemaly is gay and could be a link to Joran.

We were also told that two of Rudy's sons were involved.  I don't know if they were legitimate or illegitimate sons because apparantly he has both.  We were also looking at sons of Oduber and Dompig.  Michael Dompig reportedly worked for the black team and Julia Renfro's watersports company.  I posted pictures of Michael with the watersports company boats several months ago.  They are back in the threads somewhere.

I have been working on an assumption that the car chase and the decapitated body were diversions set up by Renfro to coverup things that were occuring simultaneously.  On July 11th, someone unidentified and in his 20s was arrested at his home in Oranjestadt.  On July 11th Tiel from Diario was involved in the car chase.  I am looking at this as Tiel being setup to keep the media away from the arrest.



Thanks for the recap SS.  This is the first I'm hearing about two of Rudy's sons being involved. I'll google around for you. I did hear MDompig worked for the 'black team' when GvCromvoirt worked there also, and both were fired.

Interesting assumption you have about the car chase. Is this car chase tied with the helicoptor landing on a front lawn, and Natalee was whisked away? During my research back then I discovered that 'they' use helicoptors to dump bodies into the ocean. (Didn't the whiskered rat Oduber take out a helicoptor and get reprimanded for it?)

Back to the decapitated body and all the tete's rolling and washing up on shore, while codetalkers could have been planting a diversion, what do you get out of Joran's statement (see below)? I get that her head (IT) is by the FHuts, and the rest (her body) he has no clue. I always thought this was the news that Beth received in that pic of her slunk down in the arms of those two ALE guys with that anguished look on her face. I also got that the head was the package that was 'screaming to be heard', the rumor floating around the island.  The decision was made that it was safer to let Natalee appear missing for eternity than to produce one part of her. After all, who would visit Aruba any more? Inquests into DirtyHand would no doubt be warranted if that let out. Based on what they did to that Choose-A-Name bouncer, someone down there has no soul. But the package is ever so late, and the package it was decided will never arrive.

Joran (June 13th 2005 Proces verbaal findings by Jan vdStraten) "...To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
      I think that IT was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut., for the rest I would not know either.

 During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers
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« Reply #578 on: June 29, 2008, 10:39:12 PM »

This is information that we received a few months ago.

there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

No the 5th is Rudy croes son

THe person that provided the escord when the 2 shivas left are the black team, Rudy croes children are working for the black team and they where there, they new the girl,

The Young Babylonians are the sons of Rudy Croes.

100% shure... need name. or will skip check with other source.

Check this for all of us

Where are the Children of Rudy Croes.

Find the children...BTW Rudy Croes like making movies

Find the Children

Back to decoding

Remember also that Dompig is from Surinam.  He is related to the Kalpoes.  In this quote, the palace is a location known as Matty Apts.  It is across the street from the Monserat Pond that was recently drained and searched.
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« Reply #579 on: June 30, 2008, 06:48:52 AM »

SS and Poochy...I think you are confusing the Black Team with the Visability Team. According to Simian the Black Team is highly trained and armed to the hilt. IIRC there is a pic in the Imprtant Document thread. I recall asking Caps if these were one and the same and he said 'No'!
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