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« Reply #580 on: June 30, 2008, 06:59:49 AM »

Thanks for reminding me Colombo. I had forgotten that possibility.

One more thought...now everyone sit down...what if Simian was just trying to distract us from the real truth...whatever that is and neither Simian or Shango are even players in this case?  What if Shango was one of the other posters that came to SM as a paid shill to simply send us on a wild goose chase and nothing Simian, Shango, Merian, or any of the others mean anything at all?  That means I have wasted all my time working on this damn riddle!   Rolling Eyes




Been doing some homework on ‘Was Simian trying to distract us from the real truth?’ –  he  pointed at the Fifth suspect, and reinforced the Steve Croes’ story of creating an alibi. ‘The music man’s song was not on the bill.’ He then came back as Mirian and pointed at Freddy in the famous pic.

Is it a coincidence that he made his first posts, on 6/17, under this FP heading
…“BREAKING NEWS: 4th Person Arrested in Natalee Holloway case (CORRECTION NO 5th PERSON)”?

He returns on Wednesday,6/22 around 11AM, beginning with the insurance fraud and ending at 6PM with ‘a simple party at his house’. He goes from 3 posts on 6/17 about Chandra Levy, to a barrage of them on 6/22, defending Aruba, criticizing the US and finally introducing the 5th. Suspect.

Thursday,6/23, he begins posting around 10.30, ‘He is too afraid to confess’ and quits shortly after 3PM.with ‘Steve Croes is singing’.

Friday, 6/24, ‘Anybody want a blessing from Saint Alibi’, again around 10.30 and ends around 6.15 with a post to Ally in Pap, about an imposter.

Saturday, 6/25, At 6.47PM, ‘There are 3 vehicles’. He continues unti around 10.30 ending with impersonators, doppelgangers and no more clues.

Sunday,6/26, At 2.58PM, ‘The music man’s song was not on the bill’. He continues through 11.37PM and ‘how can the gamblers be wrong about the girl?’

Monday, 6/27, At 9.13AM, back to work…starting slow and then finishing up at 12.20 with three consecutive posts in Pap.

Tuesday, 6/28. 1.42 AM., ‘The Simian has a handicap of 12.’ Continues until 3.10AM, spatting with Shango. Returns at 5PM and again posts about an imposter, leaves and returns at 8.15PM, with ‘They will all take a tumble soon.’ Another post about the silence in the brook and them being liars too.

Wednesday, 6/29. 11.45AM, posts about the boys from the neighourhood. Three posts about this and tickets being changed, in around 15 minutes, and leaves. He returns at 2.18Pm, with ‘They have too much on the boy.’ Reposts the same post a minute later and ends shortly after with ‘on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.’

Thursday, 6/30, 10.18AM, a post about the ex-boyfriend. Ends with ‘The music man would lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee….’at 4.24PM. This is the end of Simian. Returns as Mono at 6.20 and makes three posts in Pap.

Friday, 7/1. 10.30AM. two posts as Baboon…

It appears that Simian may have been a paid shill…he spent a lot of his workday posting on the FP of SM! Hmmm…reinforces my thoughts on ‘Freddy’!

Now where would that leave us with Shango?
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« Reply #581 on: June 30, 2008, 08:40:18 AM »


The members of the Visibility Team are recruited from the ranks of the Police AND from Rodana Security  Aha! Here lies our poison siren!

5/16/06 8:28 AM the grey whisper said "...Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower?"

Sentries=hired security who saw on cameras what happened - but said they fell asleep in the week hours of the morning Nat went missing. So where ever the security cameras were situated could imply they filmed the crime scene. But the tape was wiped clean, or evidence was tampered, so to cover that up the 'sentries' said they fell asleep and forgot to record, film, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/5jdtqw

VCB Security has a direct public/private relationship with the Visibility Police on Aruba. What are some of the other projects for VCB Security? Mambo Jambo Nightclub Aruba and the Marriott Resort & Casino Aruba. The very resort that Joran Van der Sloot claims he and Natalee were dropped off at by Deepak Kalpoe?

The idea came about three years ago and the private sector, the hotels, banded together to fund raise for a better Police and security system. As a result of public resources and private funding coming together, Aruba today has a professionally trained and fully equipped Visibility Team patrolling the high rise area of Palm Beach, the low rise area of Eagle Beach, the downtown Mecca of shopping, Oranjestad and now also San Nicolas. It was an instant success from the get go as it brought about an exodus of troublemakers from Aruba’s premium spots.


"They have a security firm that has a “consulting” relationship with the “Visibility Team.”

The Visibility Team is as Aruba.com states:

The members of the Visibility Team are recruited from the ranks of the Police and from Rodana Security, they are all well trained and nicely equipped for the job.”


RHODHANA SECURITY CONSULTANCY & SERVICES 
 
Business address FRANKLINSTRAAT Z/N, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  RHODHANA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  22 OCTOBER 1990 
         
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
ANTERSIJN, SIMON ROBERT JOSEPH
Residing in  POS CHIQUITO 13-G, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BOGOTA on 1 MAY 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 OCTOBER 1993 
Authority  FULL 
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« Reply #582 on: June 30, 2008, 09:04:54 AM »

What does "young Babylonians" mean?  That would depend on your definition of Babylonian. 

Babylonians= Dutch=young Dutch kids
Babylonians= Gamblers=kids that gamble in casinos
Babylonians= PTB on Aruba=Rudy Croes relatives

The term "young" is what matters...I think it means the children of Babylonians as in their kids.  Changes the post and it's meaning depending on what you think is correct.  Those that use Caps interpretation of Shango must remember he changed his ideas as he went along and what meant something at the beginning did not end up that way when he finished. In other words, he changed his mind as much as we do trying to make it fit.  He indicted Steve Croes was the 5th suspect in the beginning and then changed that thought several times over the course of his theory due to additional information he learned. I have forgotten who he finally settled on in the end...it seems he was making a full circle to the same conclusions many monkeys had already made.  Which would validate much the work done in Shango in the end. Just some thoughts to consider.
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« Reply #583 on: June 30, 2008, 09:46:44 AM »

What does "young Babylonians" mean?  That would depend on your definition of Babylonian. 

Babylonians= Dutch=young Dutch kids
Babylonians= Gamblers=kids that gamble in casinos
Babylonians= PTB on Aruba=Rudy Croes relatives

The term "young" is what matters...I think it means the children of Babylonians as in their kids.  Changes the post and it's meaning depending on what you think is correct.  Those that use Caps interpretation of Shango must remember he changed his ideas as he went along and what meant something at the beginning did not end up that way when he finished. In other words, he changed his mind as much as we do trying to make it fit.  He indicted Steve Croes was the 5th suspect in the beginning and then changed that thought several times over the course of his theory due to additional information he learned. I have forgotten who he finally settled on in the end...it seems he was making a full circle to the same conclusions many monkeys had already made.  Which would validate much the work done in Shango in the end. Just some thoughts to consider.

I agree.

However this is what we know for sure based on codetalkers themselves:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl. the arawaks new the girl. and the babylonians still know the girl.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny. The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the  girl.

Babylonians = Gamblers. Parents - older gamblers like Paulus, Jaime's father, the ones with their sons at the casino.


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid? Why won’t he talk?

Based on Shango, chewed up tongue = young Babylonian = young gambler = Joran.
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« Reply #584 on: June 30, 2008, 09:57:42 AM »

So that would eliminate Rudy's kids?  OR does it?
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« Reply #585 on: June 30, 2008, 10:04:12 AM »

Cont'd from prev. post...Babylonians are Gamblers, and the Elders are the founding families - Solignier, Croes, Wever, Odueber. Children of the elders, Rudy's sons is who you said you were looking for.


Question - does anybody know who 'G" is?  I thought it was GvCromvoirt, but not so sure now after reading a recap of Joran's book posted on SM:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

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According to ABC, Geoffrey got connected to the case after a taxi driver had declared that he had Natalee in his car in an intoxicated state. In the car she was dialing with a cell phone and spoke about a “Dutch boy” with whom she’d fallen in love. That was confirmed by Natalee's friends in Alabama. They also provided the police with a matching description of GVC, and the initial of his first name.

Natalee indeed had met a "G" in CnCs, however this one came from Amsterdam. Beside the fact that Geoffrey didn’t come from Amsterdam, he also wasn’t at Aruba before the summer, like "G" had told Natalee and her friends.

Around 10.45, the girls are starting to give bodyshots. Natalee is the first one of the group who let them took a bodyshot. Fellow student Beau Barron is the first who took a bodyshot of her belly....

Excerpt;  The man out of the bus and an unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee while she is giving bodyshots....Natalee didn`t talk to either one of them. Ruth and Natalee are getting a conversation with a guy from Amsterdam who calls himself  "G"..... He tells Ruth and Natalee that he`s on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment here Jeremy Brown, the ex bf of Natalee is also dancing for awhile on the stage with Natalee....

HannieC  Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm       
Excerpt;Natalee doesn`t play blackjack, she walks around between her gf`s and is constantly calling with a cell phone. At 8.40 she takes a mix drink with vodka... At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old.... li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands
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« Reply #586 on: June 30, 2008, 10:17:45 AM »

Cont'd from prev. post...Babylonians are Gamblers, and the Elders are the founding families - Solignier, Croes, Wever, Odueber. Children of the elders, Rudy's sons is who you said you were looking for.


Question - does anybody know who 'G" is?  I thought it was GvCromvoirt, but not so sure now after reading a recap of Joran's book posted on SM:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

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According to ABC, Geoffrey got connected to the case after a taxi driver had declared that he had Natalee in his car in an intoxicated state. In the car she was dialing with a cell phone and spoke about a “Dutch boy” with whom she’d fallen in love. That was confirmed by Natalee's friends in Alabama. They also provided the police with a matching description of GVC, and the initial of his first name.

Natalee indeed had met a "G" in CnCs, however this one came from Amsterdam. Beside the fact that Geoffrey didn’t come from Amsterdam, he also wasn’t at Aruba before the summer, like "G" had told Natalee and her friends.

Around 10.45, the girls are starting to give bodyshots. Natalee is the first one of the group who let them took a bodyshot. Fellow student Beau Barron is the first who took a bodyshot of her belly....

Excerpt;  The man out of the bus and an unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee while she is giving bodyshots....Natalee didn`t talk to either one of them. Ruth and Natalee are getting a conversation with a guy from Amsterdam who calls himself  "G"..... He tells Ruth and Natalee that he`s on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment here Jeremy Brown, the ex bf of Natalee is also dancing for awhile on the stage with Natalee....

HannieC  Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm       
Excerpt;Natalee doesn`t play blackjack, she walks around between her gf`s and is constantly calling with a cell phone. At 8.40 she takes a mix drink with vodka... At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old.... li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands


I have looked at Geoffrey Wever as "G'. He works for Croes Wever and Cheung law firm, Hendrick's and could have been in Aruba for the summer, had his own apartment and working at the casino. Even tracked Geoffrey to Amsterdam University, IIRC. There is a woman Croes-Wever works there as well. Caps said it couldn't be him as it needed to be a Croes, but I am not so sure. Not sure that Geoffrey is not a Croes...LOL

I believe the quiet young white guy, 19, is how Joran presented himself...This is how I always read it...
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« Reply #587 on: June 30, 2008, 10:17:55 AM »

So that would eliminate Rudy's kids?  OR does it?

No, it doesn't eliminate Rudy's kids because Rudy is an Elder. His kid is the 'offspring of the elder, the children of the elder. The fallen elder is not Paulus - Paulus is the fallen judge.

(The 46th - In summer of 2005 there was a list of 46 hotels in aruba. I believe the 46th was the Wyndham. )

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon? DirtyHand knows, this is his Power. there will be 46 sacrifices.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pm
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders.

(The 46th - In summer of 2005 there was a list of 46 hotels in aruba. I think it was the Wyndham that was listed as #46)


Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon. Not the minions. DirtyHand knows this

Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. he knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad. Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles. DirtyHand knows this. Children of the Elders play in the maze, but DirtyHand is afraid to rave.
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« Reply #588 on: June 30, 2008, 10:36:42 AM »

Cont'd from prev. post...Babylonians are Gamblers, and the Elders are the founding families - Solignier, Croes, Wever, Odueber. Children of the elders, Rudy's sons is who you said you were looking for.


Question - does anybody know who 'G" is?  I thought it was GvCromvoirt, but not so sure now after reading a recap of Joran's book posted on SM:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

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According to ABC, Geoffrey got connected to the case after a taxi driver had declared that he had Natalee in his car in an intoxicated state. In the car she was dialing with a cell phone and spoke about a “Dutch boy” with whom she’d fallen in love. That was confirmed by Natalee's friends in Alabama. They also provided the police with a matching description of GVC, and the initial of his first name.

Natalee indeed had met a "G" in CnCs, however this one came from Amsterdam. Beside the fact that Geoffrey didn’t come from Amsterdam, he also wasn’t at Aruba before the summer, like "G" had told Natalee and her friends.

Around 10.45, the girls are starting to give bodyshots. Natalee is the first one of the group who let them took a bodyshot. Fellow student Beau Barron is the first who took a bodyshot of her belly....

Excerpt;  The man out of the bus and an unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee while she is giving bodyshots....Natalee didn`t talk to either one of them. Ruth and Natalee are getting a conversation with a guy from Amsterdam who calls himself  "G"..... He tells Ruth and Natalee that he`s on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment here Jeremy Brown, the ex bf of Natalee is also dancing for awhile on the stage with Natalee....

HannieC  Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm       
Excerpt;Natalee doesn`t play blackjack, she walks around between her gf`s and is constantly calling with a cell phone. At 8.40 she takes a mix drink with vodka... At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old.... li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands


I have looked at Geoffrey Wever as "G'. He works for Croes Wever and Cheung law firm, Hendrick's and could have been in Aruba for the summer, had his own apartment and working at the casino. Even tracked Geoffrey to Amsterdam University, IIRC. There is a woman Croes-Wever works there as well. Caps said it couldn't be him as it needed to be a Croes, but I am not so sure. Not sure that Geoffrey is not a Croes...LOL

I believe the quiet young white guy, 19, is how Joran presented himself...This is how I always read it...

Thanks Mum!

Geoffrey Wever - reminds me of the slip up of names "LORENZO WEVER' Charles Croes blurted out!  Maybe Lorenzo and G are buddies.
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« Reply #589 on: June 30, 2008, 10:52:08 AM »

Cont'd from prev. post...Babylonians are Gamblers, and the Elders are the founding families - Solignier, Croes, Wever, Odueber. Children of the elders, Rudy's sons is who you said you were looking for.


Question - does anybody know who 'G" is?  I thought it was GvCromvoirt, but not so sure now after reading a recap of Joran's book posted on SM:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

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According to ABC, Geoffrey got connected to the case after a taxi driver had declared that he had Natalee in his car in an intoxicated state. In the car she was dialing with a cell phone and spoke about a “Dutch boy” with whom she’d fallen in love. That was confirmed by Natalee's friends in Alabama. They also provided the police with a matching description of GVC, and the initial of his first name.

Natalee indeed had met a "G" in CnCs, however this one came from Amsterdam. Beside the fact that Geoffrey didn’t come from Amsterdam, he also wasn’t at Aruba before the summer, like "G" had told Natalee and her friends.

Around 10.45, the girls are starting to give bodyshots. Natalee is the first one of the group who let them took a bodyshot. Fellow student Beau Barron is the first who took a bodyshot of her belly....

Excerpt;  The man out of the bus and an unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee while she is giving bodyshots....Natalee didn`t talk to either one of them. Ruth and Natalee are getting a conversation with a guy from Amsterdam who calls himself  "G"..... He tells Ruth and Natalee that he`s on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment here Jeremy Brown, the ex bf of Natalee is also dancing for awhile on the stage with Natalee....

HannieC  Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm       
Excerpt;Natalee doesn`t play blackjack, she walks around between her gf`s and is constantly calling with a cell phone. At 8.40 she takes a mix drink with vodka... At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old.... li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands


I have looked at Geoffrey Wever as "G'. He works for Croes Wever and Cheung law firm, Hendrick's and could have been in Aruba for the summer, had his own apartment and working at the casino. Even tracked Geoffrey to Amsterdam University, IIRC. There is a woman Croes-Wever works there as well. Caps said it couldn't be him as it needed to be a Croes, but I am not so sure. Not sure that Geoffrey is not a Croes...LOL

I believe the quiet young white guy, 19, is how Joran presented himself...This is how I always read it...

Thanks Mum!

Geoffrey Wever - reminds me of the slip up of names "LORENZO WEVER' Charles Croes blurted out!  Maybe Lorenzo and G are buddies.


You are Welcome...I thought that was Tito...are the Lacles and Wever's related? Darn...they are all related, except Freddy!!!

I looked at Geoffrey because of the mix up with names and the difference in ages given for the Wever working at the HI...Geoffrey fit the 24 year old in '05 and Guido didn't! Still can't picture Guido, the Racquet Club intern working at the casino, at 19 years of age!
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« Reply #590 on: June 30, 2008, 11:04:32 AM »

Thanks for reminding me Colombo. I had forgotten that possibility.

One more thought...now everyone sit down...what if Simian was just trying to distract us from the real truth...whatever that is and neither Simian or Shango are even players in this case?  What if Shango was one of the other posters that came to SM as a paid shill to simply send us on a wild goose chase and nothing Simian, Shango, Merian, or any of the others mean anything at all?  That means I have wasted all my time working on this damn riddle!   Rolling Eyes




Been doing some homework on ‘Was Simian trying to distract us from the real truth?’ –  he  pointed at the Fifth suspect, and reinforced the Steve Croes’ story of creating an alibi. ‘The music man’s song was not on the bill.’ He then came back as Mirian and pointed at Freddy in the famous pic.

Is it a coincidence that he made his first posts, on 6/17, under this FP heading
…“BREAKING NEWS: 4th Person Arrested in Natalee Holloway case (CORRECTION NO 5th PERSON)”?

He returns on Wednesday,6/22 around 11AM, beginning with the insurance fraud and ending at 6PM with ‘a simple party at his house’. He goes from 3 posts on 6/17 about Chandra Levy, to a barrage of them on 6/22, defending Aruba, criticizing the US and finally introducing the 5th. Suspect.

Thursday,6/23, he begins posting around 10.30, ‘He is too afraid to confess’ and quits shortly after 3PM.with ‘Steve Croes is singing’.

Friday, 6/24, ‘Anybody want a blessing from Saint Alibi’, again around 10.30 and ends around 6.15 with a post to Ally in Pap, about an imposter.

Saturday, 6/25, At 6.47PM, ‘There are 3 vehicles’. He continues unti around 10.30 ending with impersonators, doppelgangers and no more clues.

Sunday,6/26, At 2.58PM, ‘The music man’s song was not on the bill’. He continues through 11.37PM and ‘how can the gamblers be wrong about the girl?’

Monday, 6/27, At 9.13AM, back to work…starting slow and then finishing up at 12.20 with three consecutive posts in Pap.

Tuesday, 6/28. 1.42 AM., ‘The Simian has a handicap of 12.’ Continues until 3.10AM, spatting with Shango. Returns at 5PM and again posts about an imposter, leaves and returns at 8.15PM, with ‘They will all take a tumble soon.’ Another post about the silence in the brook and them being liars too.

Wednesday, 6/29. 11.45AM, posts about the boys from the neighourhood. Three posts about this and tickets being changed, in around 15 minutes, and leaves. He returns at 2.18Pm, with ‘They have too much on the boy.’ Reposts the same post a minute later and ends shortly after with ‘on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.’

Thursday, 6/30, 10.18AM, a post about the ex-boyfriend. Ends with ‘The music man would lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee….’at 4.24PM. This is the end of Simian. Returns as Mono at 6.20 and makes three posts in Pap.

Friday, 7/1. 10.30AM. two posts as Baboon…

It appears that Simian may have been a paid shill…he spent a lot of his workday posting on the FP of SM! Hmmm…reinforces my thoughts on ‘Freddy’!

Now where would that leave us with Shango?





Mum - you could be absolutely correct.  Simian was protecting cousin Steve, but he also may have had another agenda.  Do you remember this conversation about Armin's father Rufio......



VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.
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« Reply #591 on: June 30, 2008, 11:16:32 AM »

Cont'd from prev. post...Babylonians are Gamblers, and the Elders are the founding families - Solignier, Croes, Wever, Odueber. Children of the elders, Rudy's sons is who you said you were looking for.


Question - does anybody know who 'G" is?  I thought it was GvCromvoirt, but not so sure now after reading a recap of Joran's book posted on SM:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

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According to ABC, Geoffrey got connected to the case after a taxi driver had declared that he had Natalee in his car in an intoxicated state. In the car she was dialing with a cell phone and spoke about a “Dutch boy” with whom she’d fallen in love. That was confirmed by Natalee's friends in Alabama. They also provided the police with a matching description of GVC, and the initial of his first name.

Natalee indeed had met a "G" in CnCs, however this one came from Amsterdam. Beside the fact that Geoffrey didn’t come from Amsterdam, he also wasn’t at Aruba before the summer, like "G" had told Natalee and her friends.

Around 10.45, the girls are starting to give bodyshots. Natalee is the first one of the group who let them took a bodyshot. Fellow student Beau Barron is the first who took a bodyshot of her belly....

Excerpt;  The man out of the bus and an unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee while she is giving bodyshots....Natalee didn`t talk to either one of them. Ruth and Natalee are getting a conversation with a guy from Amsterdam who calls himself  "G"..... He tells Ruth and Natalee that he`s on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment here Jeremy Brown, the ex bf of Natalee is also dancing for awhile on the stage with Natalee....

HannieC  Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm       
Excerpt;Natalee doesn`t play blackjack, she walks around between her gf`s and is constantly calling with a cell phone. At 8.40 she takes a mix drink with vodka... At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old.... li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands


I have looked at Geoffrey Wever as "G'. He works for Croes Wever and Cheung law firm, Hendrick's and could have been in Aruba for the summer, had his own apartment and working at the casino. Even tracked Geoffrey to Amsterdam University, IIRC. There is a woman Croes-Wever works there as well. Caps said it couldn't be him as it needed to be a Croes, but I am not so sure. Not sure that Geoffrey is not a Croes...LOL

I believe the quiet young white guy, 19, is how Joran presented himself...This is how I always read it...



Mum - I think we pretty much decided that Steve Gregeroy Croes is not the Croes son of Hendrick.  There are probably two people named Steve Croes, but does this breakdown of Hendrick's family help with anything?

S.G.C Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever
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« Reply #592 on: June 30, 2008, 11:37:20 AM »

Here is the info on Hendrick Croes law firm...my computer does not want to load anything with Croes in it!

Ss..I recall what Caps posted about Armin's father, just don't think I agree with it. Armin may have had another motive, but I just don't think it was that.

The Evelin croes conversation is around the same time that Caps and I discussed Geoffrey. IIRC. I still maintain that if his mother is a Croes, then he is still a Croes even though he is called Wever...JMO...BBL


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Hendrik S. Croes · Rudolf M. Wever † · P. John Tchong. Associates. Iris R. Giesen-Wever · David M. Passchier · Evelyn C. Wever-Croes · Anthony A. Ruiz ...
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« Reply #593 on: June 30, 2008, 12:49:07 PM »

Here is the info on Hendrick Croes law firm...my computer does not want to load anything with Croes in it!

Ss..I recall what Caps posted about Armin's father, just don't think I agree with it. Armin may have had another motive, but I just don't think it was that.

The Evelin croes conversation is around the same time that Caps and I discussed Geoffrey. IIRC. I still maintain that if his mother is a Croes, then he is still a Croes even though he is called Wever...JMO...BBL


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Hendrik S. Croes · Rudolf M. Wever † · P. John Tchong. Associates. Iris R. Giesen-Wever · David M. Passchier · Evelyn C. Wever-Croes · Anthony A. Ruiz ...
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All so very interesting - great sleuting!

And while reading it, I was ever so reminded about all the codetalkers little birdies.

Bird=crow=croes. And now I think that Yellowbird is NOT natalee (Yellowhammer might be but not Yellowbird), but a blond haired dutch Birdy Croes.

Merian Ernest 7/27/05 11:58am
Sorry, John Neely, if the Yellowbird is found all will be known.  The hours are winding down. As Emily is sent to the sea, clearing the path for the Babylonians.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed I must feed the messengers.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away. The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

What else was discussed around june 26th to make the little birdie go bye bye?

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All so very interesting - great sleuting!

And while reading it, I was ever so reminded about all the codetalkers little birdies.

Bird=crow=croes. And now I think that Yellowbird is NOT natalee (Yellowhammer might be but not Yellowbird), but a blond haired dutch Birdy Croes.

Merian Ernest 7/27/05 11:58am
Sorry, John Neely, if the Yellowbird is found all will be known.  The hours are winding down. As Emily is sent to the sea, clearing the path for the Babylonians.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed I must feed the messengers.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away. The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

What else was discussed around june 26th to make the little birdie go bye bye?


It was decided that Paulus and Steve Croes would be released and the search of the quarry in Moko was to begin the next day - June 27.


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing
If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed
I must feed the messengers



Shango then returns for one post at 4:00 am:

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting



He returns four hours later:

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking
DirtyHand is alive and well

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA



He doesn't post again until after Tim Miller visits Greta that night and says he has discontinued the search of the quarry:

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:46 pm
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold is entered








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« Reply #595 on: June 30, 2008, 01:29:34 PM »

Hyacintho Rudy Croes has 2 young boys,unless he has others I doubt any of them are involved.

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« Reply #596 on: June 30, 2008, 03:44:15 PM »

Poochy - I think it was the 26th or 27th when Simian suddenly posted that they had found a decapitated body and Julia Renfron went through that performance of driving everyone to the police station that was no longer being used. I feel that this was another orchestrated diversion to keep the press away from something else.
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« Reply #597 on: June 30, 2008, 05:33:41 PM »

Poochy - I think it was the 26th or 27th when Simian suddenly posted that they had found a decapitated body and Julia Renfro went through that performance of driving everyone to the police station that was no longer being used. I feel that this was another orchestrated diversion to keep the press away from something else.

 It would need to be determined who the fake Simian was in order to substantiate this idea.  It would certainly be interesting to know who posted those fake posts since they originated in the USA and from an area where several posters were pro Sloot.
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Been doing some homework on ‘Was Simian trying to distract us from the real truth?’ –  he  pointed at the Fifth suspect, and reinforced the Steve Croes’ story of creating an alibi. ‘The music man’s song was not on the bill.’ He then came back as Mirian and pointed at Freddy in the famous pic.

Is it a coincidence that he made his first posts, on 6/17, under this FP heading
…“BREAKING NEWS: 4th Person Arrested in Natalee Holloway case (CORRECTION NO 5th PERSON)”?

He returns on Wednesday,6/22 around 11AM, beginning with the insurance fraud and ending at 6PM with ‘a simple party at his house’. He goes from 3 posts on 6/17 about Chandra Levy, to a barrage of them on 6/22, defending Aruba, criticizing the US and finally introducing the 5th. Suspect.

Thursday,6/23, he begins posting around 10.30, ‘He is too afraid to confess’ and quits shortly after 3PM.with ‘Steve Croes is singing’.

Friday, 6/24, ‘Anybody want a blessing from Saint Alibi’, again around 10.30 and ends around 6.15 with a post to Ally in Pap, about an imposter.

Saturday, 6/25, At 6.47PM, ‘There are 3 vehicles’. He continues unti around 10.30 ending with impersonators, doppelgangers and no more clues.

Sunday,6/26, At 2.58PM, ‘The music man’s song was not on the bill’. He continues through 11.37PM and ‘how can the gamblers be wrong about the girl?’

Monday, 6/27, At 9.13AM, back to work…starting slow and then finishing up at 12.20 with three consecutive posts in Pap.

Tuesday, 6/28. 1.42 AM., ‘The Simian has a handicap of 12.’ Continues until 3.10AM, spatting with Shango. Returns at 5PM and again posts about an imposter, leaves and returns at 8.15PM, with ‘They will all take a tumble soon.’ Another post about the silence in the brook and them being liars too.

Wednesday, 6/29. 11.45AM, posts about the boys from the neighourhood. Three posts about this and tickets being changed, in around 15 minutes, and leaves. He returns at 2.18Pm, with ‘They have too much on the boy.’ Reposts the same post a minute later and ends shortly after with ‘on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.’

Thursday, 6/30, 10.18AM, a post about the ex-boyfriend. Ends with ‘The music man would lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee….’at 4.24PM. This is the end of Simian. Returns as Mono at 6.20 and makes three posts in Pap.

Friday, 7/1. 10.30AM. two posts as Baboon…

It appears that Simian may have been a paid shill…he spent a lot of his workday posting on the FP of SM! Hmmm…reinforces my thoughts on ‘Freddy’!

Now where would that leave us with Shango?



Excellent Mum 

How come on Sunday the 26th Simian starts posting in a riddle? "The music man's song was not on the bill?" He seems to be pretty 'direct' up until that point.

And Shango KNEW what he meant. Because he replied about the other babylonian playing in the orchestra 

I asked this the other day...How did they KNOW what the other was talking about? It's been 3 years and we still don't. But they did.

And continued to.

Anyone with any thoughts or explanations?


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I know what you mean 

But if it was intended as a 'distraction' it really backfired -- because Shango and Simian ALWAYS gave us plenty of fodder when times were slow. And we're still here.

Standing with the girl.
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« Reply #599 on: June 30, 2008, 07:03:59 PM »

Poochy - I think it was the 26th or 27th when Simian suddenly posted that they had found a decapitated body and Julia Renfro went through that performance of driving everyone to the police station that was no longer being used. I feel that this was another orchestrated diversion to keep the press away from something else.

 It would need to be determined who the fake Simian was in order to substantiate this idea.  It would certainly be interesting to know who posted those fake posts since they originated in the USA and from an area where several posters were pro Sloot.




Hi LaLa's - I love your new outfit.  I'm really stuck with these possible diversions.  I suspect Renfro was involved, however, I need some more evidence.  We need to know who was being arrested on those days other than just a man in his 20s from Oranjestadt.  If we can identify the motive then we can probably link the culprit.  Fake Simian announced the decapitated body, so we'd need to know who he/she was.  Did he inform Renfro or was it the other way around?  Where did Tiel get the info on the car chase on the 11th?  Any ideas for hunting these people down?  I've been trying to follow the pro Sloot angle and I'm not getting anywhere.

It amazes me how masterful these Arubans have been at hiding details about people and getting incorrect information into the media.  At this point, how much accurate information do we even have about this case and the perps?  What this island has gotten away with is frightening.
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