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« Reply #600 on: June 30, 2008, 08:43:43 PM »


Hi Everyone,

Rob

Hyro Oduber made posts on this forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/msearch?query=hyro+oduber&pos=0&cnt=10 back in 05.

Also, see his name here: http://www.arubaaviation.com/

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« Reply #601 on: June 30, 2008, 09:11:30 PM »

btw - fwiw

"Bird on a Wire"

Also a Movie starring Mel Gibson, Goldie Hawn and David Carradine

A movie about the a man in the Witness Protection Program (Gibson) running from a member of a drug cartel (Carradine).
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« Reply #602 on: June 30, 2008, 09:40:16 PM »

btw - fwiw

"Bird on a Wire"

Also a Movie starring Mel Gibson, Goldie Hawn and David Carradine

A movie about the a man in the Witness Protection Program (Gibson) running from a member of a drug cartel (Carradine).

Now that would totally explain the immediate presence of FBI and the Elder's kiddies fleeing One Happy Island. (I always loved Goldie ) Smile
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« Reply #603 on: June 30, 2008, 09:48:26 PM »


Gonna digress here for a wee bit cuz of the private airplane mention... Unfortunately all the 'dreams and visions' posts have gone kaput but I got some saved on my pooter. I recall one dream posted of Natalee being drugged, dizzy, thinking she was in a car and complaining she was heading the wrong way away from her hotel. And she looked out the window she noticed there was no way to make a u-turn' to go back the other way. Off to her left was the Hooiberg hill, but it was bright red in color and then the person who had the dream said Natalee passed out while sitting on the left side of the 'vehicle' (aka airplane) with her head leaning on the window. The dreamer said they googled Hooiberg and immediately recognized the airport runway as the 'road' Natalee was being "driven" aka flown down with the Hooiberg off to the left. They felt natalee thought she was in a car, but was actually going down a runway.
 
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« Reply #604 on: June 30, 2008, 10:20:28 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Rob

Hyro Oduber made posts on this forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/msearch?query=hyro+oduber&pos=0&cnt=10 back in 05.

Also, see his name here: http://www.arubaaviation.com/

OS


OS,

What 2 bros are on the other side of Joran, the Gottenbos family who have "Gotten da bos" out of Aruba?

From the link you posted above:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/message/498

> --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <phoenics4peace@b...> wrote:
> > Oh hell. Thanks for the confirmation. Not good news, but news...
> >
> >
> > --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, lauransteve@a... wrote:
> > > yes its been comfirmed there has been a hit early this afternoon by
> > the dogs in a quarry behind VDS house on one side and the 2 brothers house
> > on the other side.
CNN and Scared Monkyes are the sourse and that there
> > was evidence flags going up

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« Reply #605 on: June 30, 2008, 10:59:47 PM »

Mum - I've been thinking about your idea that Simian was a shill.  It does make sense.  Now, who paid him - ALE or Julia?  We were told that his father was part of the clean up detail and Steve is his cousin.  Why would he be giving the world any information about this crime if he had two family members involved?  For the right price, he might have been very willing to confuse the investigation.  He could easily have been a planned part of the diversions with the decapitated body and the car chase.  This would mean that a lot of the information that we have is absolutely useless.


LaLa's - Rudy's sons are so young, but are there others?  Did I read once that he has been married more than once?  Is the information below accurate or way off base?  Is Rudy the biological father of one of the ones that we are looking at?  Let's assume for a moment that the information below is correct.  We could start to eliminate possiblities based on whether we can identify the father.  That would leave Freddy, Guido?, Steve Croes, or an unknown that we aren't aware of.  I think we're back to square one. 

No the 5th is Rudy croes son
Where are the Children of Rudy Croes.
Find the children...BTW Rudy Croes like making movies
Find the Children
Rudy has sons out of wetlock. will check it out
E.G. Rudy Croes likes to go to Montana Aprt 101, not to far from Joran house and hide his USV behinde the building and so to spend the night with this Colombian Girls. He do forget sometimes how many permit does he give to these chineese business people who hire only colombians bar mate in exchange for cases of Heineken and sexual favors. There is so dirt that even after presure wash it still will not come off.
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« Reply #606 on: June 30, 2008, 11:16:41 PM »

NativeLingo wrote:

last night police had decoys pulling the press in all directions…..they will avoid a media orgy at all cost…..

Jun 11, 2:00 PM


Klaas posted this on the NH thread.  Check the date.  Could Simian be one of the decoys?  Somebody orchestrated that car chase.
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« Reply #607 on: July 01, 2008, 12:10:48 AM »

OS

What 2 bros are on the other side of Joran, the Gottenbos family who have "Gotten da bos" out of Aruba?

From the link you posted above:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/message/498

> --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <phoenics4peace@b...> wrote:
> > Oh hell. Thanks for the confirmation. Not good news, but news...
> >
> >
> > --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, lauransteve@a... wrote:
> > > yes its been comfirmed there has been a hit early this afternoon by
> > the dogs in a quarry behind VDS house on one side and the 2 brothers house
> > on the other side.
CNN and Scared Monkyes are the sourse and that there
> > was evidence flags going up

not OS ... but IIRC the street Montanja wraps around ...
so the vdS home #19 and Freddy's townhouse #39-F
have back yards/back lots in common

someone posted long ago that you could
hop the vdS back fence/go thru the empty lot behind
and head diagonally a few doors down
to the back of the townhouses where Freddy lived

there was a google map at one time IIRC

we're fairly sure that Freddy has one brother/Ernesto
and altho he hasn't lived at the family home for awhile
that does make "two brothers"

no idea whether or not there's another step/half bro
who may have lived in the townhouse when Freddy did

also, Jaime Carrasquilla lived at 232 Montanja ...
no idea where that house is in relation to vdS home,
no idea whether or not Jaime has a bro

yes, the search dogs reportedly "hit" in the water
at the Moko quarry which is near that neighborhood ...
and shango had begun posting the previous night

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« Reply #608 on: July 01, 2008, 12:29:48 AM »


If you’re going to live like a bird on a wire, you must know of many wires on which to roost, so when the hunter approaches to draw a bead on you, he won’t be able to find you.
http://tinyurl.com/4yykbn
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(jail)bird on the wire = jailhouse informant


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« Reply #609 on: July 01, 2008, 12:32:25 AM »


which car chase are we discussing?

the Hubert Tiel/Diario chase
or the Julia-led-everyone-to-the-courthouse chase?

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« Reply #610 on: July 01, 2008, 08:00:40 AM »

OS

What 2 bros are on the other side of Joran, the Gottenbos family who have "Gotten da bos" out of Aruba?

From the link you posted above:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/message/498

> --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <phoenics4peace@b...> wrote:
> > Oh hell. Thanks for the confirmation. Not good news, but news...
> >
> >
> > --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, lauransteve@a... wrote:
> > > yes its been comfirmed there has been a hit early this afternoon by
> > the dogs in a quarry behind VDS house on one side and the 2 brothers house
> > on the other side.
CNN and Scared Monkyes are the sourse and that there
> > was evidence flags going up

not OS ... but IIRC the street Montanja wraps around ...
so the vdS home #19 and Freddy's townhouse #39-F
have back yards/back lots in common...There is a map somewhere in the first thread from Caps, and I will find it, but IIRC, neither 39f or 62 Montanja have back yards in common...

someone posted long ago that you could
hop the vdS back fence/go thru the empty lot behind
and head diagonally a few doors down
to the back of the townhouses where Freddy lived...checking on this...found the link to the place that was for sale in August 2005, more questions...

there was a google map at one time IIRC

we're fairly sure that Freddy has one brother/Ernesto
and altho he hasn't lived at the family home for awhile
that does make "two brothers"...Can't find a connection to Freddy and Ernesto, or anything that even puts Ernesto anywhere near Aruba other than Sasha's birthday pic, put on the web on 6/13/2005...looking into the the defunct site that it was posted on...more questions?

no idea whether or not there's another step/half bro
who may have lived in the townhouse when Freddy did

also, Jaime Carrasquilla lived at 232 Montanja ...
no idea where that house is in relation to vdS home,
no idea whether or not Jaime has a bro...IIRC he has a brother and a sister...will check that map for #232

yes, the search dogs reportedly "hit" in the water
at the Moko quarry which is near that neighborhood ...
and shango had begun posting the previous night




Quick answers on this Finn...I am still working on it...Lots of questions, no answers...

One stickler for me is a Venezuelan, Freddy, that only speaks Pap, when documents show his mother was born in Aruba. If he only spoke one language it should be Spanish!!!

To be continued...
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« Reply #611 on: July 01, 2008, 08:32:49 AM »

Let me remind everyone...the conversations between Simian and Shango and others was just that a conversation between FP posters at the time.  It must be read and understood in the context in which it was written.  It may mean absolutely nothing in the long run except people talking to each other about the case. 
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« Reply #612 on: July 01, 2008, 08:50:47 AM »


which car chase are we discussing?

the Hubert Tiel/Diario chase
or the Julia-led-everyone-to-the-courthouse chase?





Good Morning Finngirl - the car chase was the one inolving Tiel.  I think it was the
11th.  Finding the decapitated body and the race to the closed police station were the 26th or 27th when "fake Simian" appeared.  I suspect that both were fronts.  The car chase occured at the same time that an unidentified man in his 20s was arrested.

I recall reading somewhere that Rudy was married at one point to Jossy's niece.  I think that I have also read that he was divorced and remarried.  If this is true, he could have older children, as well as illegitimate children.  Does anyone have any idea how we could find out if this is true?  We really need to locate the fathers of Freddy and Guido.  Guido has returned to my radar again because he did have the most serious charges filed against him.  He also had a relationship with Urine that could have led to the jealousy issue over Natalee.  Natalee would have met Guido while he was working in the casino.  Chemaly is still on my radar, but not as a 5th - it's too much of a stretch.  I do think that he was involved in the disposal with Davin and Julia's boat.  Who had the alibi?

If the dogs did in fact get a hit at the first pond and if ALE may have found something in the recently drained pond, these are two very different locations.  Were they placing evidence all over the island during that initial 10 day period?  There is also the shallow grave in the dunes and GVCs shirt in still another location.  I have been wondering if Chemaly and friends could have actually disposed of Natalee, but special members of the black team were later assigned to take care of the evidence by scattering it everywhere.  The former police chief would certainly know how to handle evidence and effectively plant it.  Was this to protect nephew Steve or another relative?  Was Rufo also in charge of "dusting" the apts.?  17 year olds didn't do all of this by themsleves.  Who is paying for all of their lawyers?  Was Armin a shill?  This coverup is so deep.  Was Destiny's sneaker placed there recently by someone who wants to create publicity and headaches for ALE because maybe they did find Urine's sneaker in the drained pond?

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

We need a wealthy benefactor who could buy the Matty Apts. and have a forensics team go through every crevice.  The next step will probably be for the apts. to suddenly be demolished.
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« Reply #613 on: July 01, 2008, 09:53:35 AM »

Poochy - I think it was the 26th or 27th when Simian suddenly posted that they had found a decapitated body and Julia Renfro went through that performance of driving everyone to the police station that was no longer being used. I feel that this was another orchestrated diversion to keep the press away from something else.

 It would need to be determined who the fake Simian was in order to substantiate this idea.  It would certainly be interesting to know who posted those fake posts since they originated in the USA and from an area where several posters were pro Sloot.




Hi LaLa's - I love your new outfit.  I'm really stuck with these possible diversions.  I suspect Renfro was involved, however, I need some more evidence.  We need to know who was being arrested on those days other than just a man in his 20s from Oranjestadt.  If we can identify the motive then we can probably link the culprit.  Fake Simian announced the decapitated body, so we'd need to know who he/she was.  Did he inform Renfro or was it the other way around?  Where did Tiel get the info on the car chase on the 11th?  Any ideas for hunting these people down?  I've been trying to follow the pro Sloot angle and I'm not getting anywhere.

It amazes me how masterful these Arubans have been at hiding details about people and getting incorrect information into the media.  At this point, how much accurate information do we even have about this case and the perps?  What this island has gotten away with is frightening.

SS why don't you email Jossy and ask for Tiel's email address and ask him.
 You never know he might tell you.
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« Reply #614 on: July 01, 2008, 11:14:40 AM »



OS,

What 2 bros are on the other side of Joran, the Gottenbos family who have "Gotten da bos" out of Aruba?

From the link you posted above:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/message/498

> --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <phoenics4peace@b...> wrote:
> > Oh hell. Thanks for the confirmation. Not good news, but news...
> >
> >
> > --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, lauransteve@a... wrote:
> > > yes its been comfirmed there has been a hit early this afternoon by
> > the dogs in a quarry behind VDS house on one side and the 2 brothers house
> > on the other side.
CNN and Scared Monkyes are the sourse and that there
> > was evidence flags going up



Hi,

Sorry I have no idea, was just posting because Rob mentioned Hyro Oduber. But it's an interesting question.

OS

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« Reply #615 on: July 01, 2008, 01:02:03 PM »



OS,

What 2 bros are on the other side of Joran, the Gottenbos family who have "Gotten da bos" out of Aruba?

From the link you posted above:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/natalee/message/498

> --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <phoenics4peace@b...> wrote:
> > Oh hell. Thanks for the confirmation. Not good news, but news...
> >
> >
> > --- In natalee@yahoogroups.com, lauransteve@a... wrote:
> > > yes its been comfirmed there has been a hit early this afternoon by
> > the dogs in a quarry behind VDS house on one side and the 2 brothers house
> > on the other side.
CNN and Scared Monkyes are the sourse and that there
> > was evidence flags going up



Hi,

Sorry I have no idea, was just posting because Rob mentioned Hyro Oduber. But it's an interesting question.

OS




I think they are talking about the Kalpoes on the other side of the island. 
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« Reply #616 on: July 01, 2008, 11:44:20 PM »

I guess this is a bit of off topic from the codetalkers, but today I received an email with this link:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/51692

I read this a while ago, and the article assumes Natalee is not dead, but is very much alive (was she sold in exchange for a gambling debt?) The article assumes Natalee is wondering why nobody is looking for her--it is because everybody is looking for her dead body in the landfill, ponds, ocean.  Maybe that was the diversion discussed a few posts up - she is alive and not dead.

Well today another friend sent me this article.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/pows_still_in_laos_142.html

My friend's dad is also a POW from the Viet Nam war. Please keep both men in prayer (and also Natalee) and that one day soon they will be reunited with their families after all these years. I post because I know how corrupt governments can be, including the USA govt.

A NYC couple was just sentenced for slavery. Is this the new thing? Are there slave owners living around the world buying and selling slaves and nobody is doing anything about it?  I also remember Amy Bradley-lured off a cruise ship to go to C&C and then poof - gone. Is that what these perps are so afraid of?  Working the rest of their lives as a slave in one of these horror slave camps if the talk? 
 
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« Reply #617 on: July 02, 2008, 06:24:49 AM »

From Finngirl…From page 11 of this thread…Finn…this has the F.A. quote in it…Thanks...lots of info in these posts...

Interesting where all the ?information as to Freddy’s identity and initials came from….Where was Art Wood getting his info from? Was he in Aruba? Is Jossy saying that Freddy was arrested early in regards to the video tapings? Is Jamie being implicated here?…And where is/are the statements that even bondia said, in another post was questioned as were all the ISA students? Where are all the ISA students statements, or mentions of them in the log?…On a partial list of ISA students, I think at RWV, there wasn’t a M. Arends, only a A.Arends! Who or what group was bondia checking with???

If Freddy was arrested early in regards to the video tapings, why are all his statements in the Dr. Phil Log, but not the ones for the August arrest…Lots of questions as to who is named, or misnamed on that Log????…Seems some-one was very selective as to what info was given to Deepak’s attorney….



4:59 pm AZLady:
Who are the other two in custody, besides the Kalpoes? Freddy and someone else?

5:05 pm AZLady:
Arubagirl, were the Kalpoes and two others arrested? Or the Kalpoes and one other guy? I can't find accurate info.

5:06 pm klaasend:
No...only Freddy. Not sure if there's more, I'm thinking not.

5:06 pm sunmoonstars:
Catherine Crier Fri

Based on the same suspicions as before. There are new suspicions, or they couldn't re arrest the K brothers.

Art Wood: We have known for a long time that the LE have statements from these boys. They know where Natalee is.
 
Freddy Arandashi?? Uses the name Freddy Arends, he is a close friend and neighbor of Jorans.

5:07 pm arubagirl:
AZlady, on the radio said that four new arrests were made, but then I heard it was only three.

Anyway, I heard the name of one guy, but I don't know if it's right or not.

5:08 pm sunmoonstars:
AG: Art Wood is saying Freddy Arandashi?? also says he goes by Freddy Arends.

5:09 pm  arubagirl:
I think it's not Arends. I'll check it out on Monday.

5:10 pm DT:
The ex-girlfriend of Joran, Melody or whatever, is saying on RWV that the guy's name is Freddy Zedan.

5:12 pm sunmoonstars:
AG: They said a neighbor and friend of Jorans. Does that help?

5:14 pm arubagirl:
Well, if he is a neighbour and lives in the same neighbourhood (montanja), then I can check, hold on.

5:14 pm barbiegirl23:
This Freddy is listed as a doubles tennis partner of Joran in the Aruban paper of Sept 2004...

5:15 pm arubagirl:
There is an Arends that lives at Montanja... Check the other last names.

5:16 pm arubagirl:
No person named Zedan in the phone book, not that it means that he doesn't exist, just not in the phone book.

5:17 pm arubagirl:
Nor Arandashi / Arendashi.

5:17 pm klaasend:
I'm thinking it's Freddy Arends: Blue shirt on left - middle with cap on right.
 
5:19 pm arubagirl:
Yes that's who I thought it was as well. Why don't these things happen on a Friday? Now I have to wait a whole weekend to find out more. BLECH!

5:22 pm DT:
Jossy: We don't know that he was arrested in relation to this case, though he was questioned about it at the beginning. We have heard that he had alibi that said he was with Joran that night.


Dan Riehl said earlier that the Freddy guy is the same person who was staying at Joran's apartment that night.

5:22 pm whodunit:
Does HE  live at Aruba Racquet Club?

5:24 pm fluffy monkey:
Geraldo said that this guy was a fake alibi and faked that he stayed with Joran that night.

5:24 pm nancy drew:
http://www.aeromodelers.sr.org/david/am28sep04.pdf  28 sept 2004
B-Doubles team Freddy Zedan/Joran van der Sloot beat Peter Villevoix/Lex Burgman in a surprise sweep


5:25 pm arubagirl:
No, owner of the place told me the homes are only used as vacation homes by wealthy tourists.

5:26 pm fluffy monkey:
Wonder if "someone" has a key to one of them....

5:28 pm whodunit:
Hmmm...maybe it could at least explain what the boys were doing late that night (3am) near the ARC. Maybe meeting his tennis partner.......hmmmmm

5:32 pm odds on:
Who - For what it's worth, the AM Digitel article (link posted above)about the September 2004 tennis tounament that jvds and Freddy Z won took place at the Aruba Racquet Club. Coincidences abound.

5:42 pm HannieC:
if there is a 4th person arrested then i think it`s significant that nobody seems to know who that person is nor his initials or name...Makes me wonder who that is.....(and then i`m not thinking of Paulus). BTW...

5:44 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
Freddy Z.

Freddy's middle name is Alexander and it is customary to never use somebody’s last name in Aruba until they have been charged.

The rules were obviously broken in Natalee's case as it has been a free for all of accusations since the Beginning.


6:01 pm sunmoonstars:
Catherine Crier/Friday

Crier: Can you tell me anything about this Freddy?

Jossy: We hear 2 versions: The official press release that the prosecution put out did not mention him at all. People are under the impression that his arrest may be related to another case. He was arrested in the beginning with relation to this same case. There is no mention from the police in regards to this third man. Third man is a friend of them, partied with them, many pics with him. He was questioned in the beginning in regards to the Natalee case.

Crier: Do you have any info as to his whereabouts the night Natalee disappeared?

Jossy: I hear his alibi is that he was with Joran


6:02 pm WonderWoman:
ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA 39-F


6:02 pm AZLady:
I found an ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ, ALBERT and LILIAN REGINA who live in MONTANJA.
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm

6:07 pm klaasend:
So why is Bondia saying the last name starts with a Z ?
6:08 pm

arubagirl:
I have no idea. I'm guessing that Bon Dia is checking back with the group.


6:09 pm Shell:
Maybe the stop at the other bar that was mentioned was to pick up Freddy? Just thinking

6:14 pm RobertJ:
BINGO! Directory listing: Arambatzis, Freddy. Aruba. I've got his e-mail and his TICKLE site too: Freddy Locoman Pimp

6:16 pm NativeLingo:
ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA 39-F

could be either Venezuelan or Colombian....only they use 2 last names here...


6:19 pm DT:
Jossy says: Freddy arrested on charges of taking and selling pictures of young naked girls. He was questioned initially in the NH case.


6:21 pm WidgetTheMidget:
Dont Be Surprised If What Happened To Natalee Was Recorded ........

6:21 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.


ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.

6:25 pm DT: Aruban attorney: I doubt that it is a coincidence this guy was arrested at the same time and lived near Joran.

6:28 pm DT: Aruban Attorney: It is possible that the Kalpoes stated Joran sexually assaulted Natalee, and were still released.

6:31 pm NativeLingo: DT, it wasn't a coincidence...

6:32 pm nancy drew: They said it on Abrams...the part about Freddy knowing about the disposal of the body...

6:42 pm sandraK: Freddy Cuz..Lissette' ...lives..in Usa.... her Mom maybe is... Rebeca Zedan (Female, 52) Location: Venezuela. his aunty?? or something?

6:43 pm tcumom: Does anyone remember Geraldo's comments looooong time ago about porn stuff and pics? Think I'm remembering correctly.....just a comment.

6:45 pm DT: Yeah I brought this up earlier, it would be insane if Geraldo turned out to be right. I can't think of one person who believed him when said this.

6:46 pm cancon: indeed I remember it clear as day, what was puzzling that Geraldo never mentioned it again, not to my recollection, until perhaps today, maybe the Aruban LE contacted him and asked him to hush up? and for once one of Geraldo's wild statements could be coming true.........

6:51 pm writenow: If Freddy has been brought in and Freddy, Joran & Jaime Carrasquilla were all best friends, is Jaime next to be arrested? BTW Satish is now calling himself the King of bling bling on his tickle site. Good grief. Maybe he's getting the bling bling from selling pics of naked girls.

7:17 pm friend of monkey: but Vanderstraten does have a son jorans age? or not known?

7:18 pm HannieC: I believe his youngest son is 24 and the oldest 33 or 34

7:31 pm sandrak: Rebeca Zedan (Female, 52) Location: Venezuela. Aunty ??

7:33 pm bondia/Julia Renfro: WRITENOW said earlier that Jaime would be arrested! Are you part of the ALE or a clairvoyant of a Monkey PI. Who can spell his last name right?

7:37 pm sandrak: Jaime Carrasquilla7:38 pm the big hammer: 1. The 2:40am call is the link w/ video to k residence to download. Call may have linked to assault live? Depends on duration of call. 2. 3:10 am is the voice call to say: "something's wrong -- come get me." 3. From k2 residence, numerous 3rd parties could link in to view the 2:40am "show."7:39 pm Shell: Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.

7:39 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:Good Try SANDRA K, but I have another spelling, but I have been wrong before. Rumors are strong that he will be picked up tomorrow.

7:43 pm bondia/Julia Renfro: The Rumor on Aruba was that four were arrested today, but the police confirmed only 3, possibly another tomorrow. We spoke to Jaime and he thinks it is about some pictures that were taken in April, but they were deleted after the girl asked them to. He said they weren't illicit, but she didn't like them. They have all continued a friendship relationship since and he is surprised that she would be complaining now. Jaime also lives in Montana. To make it clear, he didn't even know that anyone has made a complaint, but that is the only thing he could think anyone could complain about. Since then, the girl has remained friends with all of them - even been to family parties at Joran's house.

7:53 pm sandraK: bondia, Anyone with..."SA"..... as Nic?

7:55 pm  writenow: You're funny bondia. Monkey ALE PI clairvoyant. My new title. I posed it as a question not a fact. You tell me -- are they going to arrest Jaime? he's tight with Freddy and Joran. Makes sense he's in this, too.7:55 pm cancon: well I thought he said 2:30 am, could the assault have taken place before 2:40 am, 2:30 am they just transmitted the video file at 2:40 am under a pretence which would mean real premeditation if they had already worked out their alibis in advance here........ you can tape and save a video file on those phones too, may not have been live........

7:56 pm bondia/Julia Renfro: Hi SANDRAK It was spelled out for us as Carasquia, but since he made his own tickle site, I will give him credit that he knows how to spell his own name, although... As for SA - we would need more details.

8:00 pm sandrak: Time will tell ....

8:13 pm crazybabyborg: Jossy: Freddy provided an alibi for Joran

8:14 pm crazybabyborg: Jossy: my info from our sources in the LE is that 3 girls came forward with statements of being date drugged and raped

8:15 pm writenow: Oh, one more thing. Jaime lives on the same street as the van der Sloots. Jaime Carrasquilla/Carrasquilla, Acuna Omar/Montanja 232

8:19 pm suz3nscar: Sometimes I think Nancy Grace is nuts....just came back on the air with Elvis' Jailhouse Rock playing 8:21 pm san: On NG lawyer stated Freddy won't be able to have a lawyer for several days

8:22 pm sooz: NG says CNN is trying to confirm the arrest of a 4th suspect. Did I miss something?8:22 pm fluffy monkey: Freddie takes pictures for the Pimp Gang" says the guy on NG8:24 pm sooz: OMG!! NG is going to tick off the Arubans again. She looked straight at the camera and said "Attention Aruban police. Separate cells!"8:27 pm onesillymonkey: NG - Kalpoe bros. not being questioned right away. Letting them sit, being informed that they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for the seriousness of crimes they are accused of - this is a method to induce fear into them in order to get them to more easily talk when the interrogations begin. They are being careful not to try and force information out of them that can later be thrown out due to a forced confession. Fourth suspect IS in connection with NH case.

8:32 pm pj: No one knows anything about a fourth suspect being arrested. I think someone said maybe tomorrow.

9:03 pm san: from tv for those w/o the channel: Freddy's involvment in the case is with a car.

9:05 pm I hear shango: Helen Lejuez said Freddy....physical evidence regarding the car......

9:06 pm nancydrew: Hannity and Colmes.... Helen: says this is considered a gang rape...Freddy was brought in due to the car (which car???) .

Paul Reynolds: First time he's heard the term "gang rape"

H/C: Is this a homicide?

Paul Reynolds: Joran said Deepak raped, murdered Natalee

Helen: 60 Days now for the boys brought in today. The prosecutor told her this has to do with murder and rape. She has more info not from the prosecutor, and it is quite secure.

9:08 pm arubagirl: So much for the gang-rape being 'secret', which my source told me it was.

9:10 pm justinsmama: Is that what you were going to reveal around the 4th? Or part of it, anyway?

9:10 DT:Do you know anything more about this?9:11 pm arubagirl:no, this I heard today.

9:11 pm little miss: Secret from who?

9:12 pm arubagirl: No, nothing more, only about the gang-rape taking place.

9:13 pm DT: Does this involve all of the boys, or just the three?

9:14 pm friend of monkey: freddy lives behind jorans apartment...on FOX

9:14 pm arubagirl: All of them.

9:16 pm nancydrew: Hannity and Colmes. Reporter/Aruba... It's a "commission based crime." Freddy lives in the neighborhood.

9:20 pm I hear shango: jossy said there are a total of 6 girls who have come forward....not including Natalee.....

9:22 pm sooz: Hmmm, another vote for a 4th new suspect in jail today.

Hannity and Colmes transcript: Friday August 27

Helen: Him (Freddie A) and another detainee in jail right now. Freddie is a friend of Jorans and has something to do with the car. According to my (Helen’s) sources, he is part of the “gang” and what we are getting is that he is involved in the rape case and it has to do with the car. I have other news that I haven’t yet confirmed, another young man who hasn’t yet been brought before the judge.

Uncle: That is the first time I have heard that phrase used (gang rape) We have heard sexual assault.


9:26 pm candygirl: Maybe its freddy's place they went back to? I sure hope the LE is doing a search there!

9:32 pm fluffymonkey: Larry King Live, Friday August 26, 2005

Dave Holloway : We were concerned about September 4 date coming up but now it looks like Joran is probably not going to be let go. FBI called and told us about Kalpoe brothers and Freddy. Prosecutor is very confident.

 Steve Holloway (uncle): Very happy they arrested K2, maybe we can find out a little more.

Harris Faulkner (Current Affair): Polis said FBI made a difference and gave them confidence. The polis were very involved and busy in keeping up with K2.

Cardoza: Young women have come forward saying K2 were involved in using date rape drugs Now police can turn up the heat even though it didn’t have to do with NH case.

9:38 pm I hear shango: polis chief was not overhead saying how can i do this to my best friend's son....he was on national tv saying it...I saw it with my own eyes.

9:41 pm peaches: Vinda just said they collected DNA from the VDS property.

9:51pm margaritaville: CNN just mentioned the Tickle sites!!!

9:55 pm peaches: Harris Faulkner just said they keyed into the boys from the start and got their cell phone #s from their Tickle sites. Called 'em up.

9:56 pm fluffymonkey: Harris: Current Affair pulled info from TICKLE!!!!! Three guys described themselves as having healthy sex lives (Joran, particularly) Thinks it is relevant to look at lifestyle, says tickle is explicit, AND THE WAY CURRENT AFFAIR GOT IN TOUCH WITH JORAN THE FIRST TIME WAS FROM HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER ON TICKLE

10:01 pm friend of monkey: early on a gang bang tape w/ joran and a 14 yr old was mentioned here..

10:03 pm kackylacky: yes by Geraldo...............and we all scoffed.10:28 pm crazybabyborg:  Anyone know what the nature of the alibi was that Freddy supplied for Joran?

10:30 pm DT: From what I understand, he said he stayed at Joran's apartment that night, which is something he and other friends often do. He claimed Joran got home at a certain time, and that he said he had met an American girl, but that nothing sexual had taken place.

10:41 pm sleddogs: "At the beginning of the show they were talking about Freddy being linked somehow due to the car. Not sure which car...but, they referred to the info from the gardener... "

If I remember right a while back when they first brought the gardener in wasn't there a problem with him not being able to identify one of the K2's? Maybe that was because the other person in the car that night was later identified as Freddy.

10:42 pm kackylacky: Jossy said on Abrams this afternoon, that freddy told ALE he was "with" joran that night...........and that was all that was said about it. The usual comments about that not being too smart was what followed.......no further detail. But I am thinking freddy may have tried to alibi joran for the time after the HI drop off.............which begs the question.........why did they arrest steve for giving deepak an alibi, but did not arrest freddy for doing the same for joran. Interesting.............

10:48 pm pj: Yet Joran went to school bragging about having sex, am I right?

10:49 pm kackylacky: when in fact, both of them could have been with her at joran's or at freddy's......................Vinda said tonight that DNA was collected at joran's........I didn't hear if she said what kind or much more than it was collected.

If, according to Helen, freddy is also attached to this case because of a car............could freddy have provided joran with transportation (remember the walk with only one shoe line) or moving the body?



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« Reply #618 on: July 02, 2008, 02:03:14 PM »

Is this Freddys sister Sasha? The birthdate doesnt appears to be right but she says she lives in noord and about the same age.

    sasha rodriguez
Date of birth
    08/05/1990
Location
    noord
    Aruba

http://en.netlog.com/sasha_v
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« Reply #619 on: July 02, 2008, 03:22:19 PM »

Is this Freddys sister Sasha? The birthdate doesnt appears to be right but she says she lives in noord and about the same age.

    sasha rodriguez
Date of birth
    08/05/1990
Location
    noord
    Aruba

http://en.netlog.com/sasha_v


Hi *******, I can't tell, sorry!  She looks a lot skinnier if that is her, though. What do you think is wrong with the birthdate? TIA
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