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« Reply #740 on: July 06, 2008, 08:35:10 AM »


From the main thread..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.680

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.700


« Reply #699 on: July 05, 2008, 09:39:51 PM »Caps   
 
Good evening Monky's

As I promissed before......here it is .....The DirtyHand in The Natalee Case.

I was betting that they will let the Lawyer go that was in Jail in the case of Mansur and he is out.

ALso Hendrik Croes with all the proef and still they will not convict.

So let look which prosecuter handled the case....Mr DirtyHand of the OM

Who was the Prosecuter that Handle tha Natalee Case.... Mr. DirtyHand.

This is the real deal....one in a while he will stick is neck out in the Publick....never seen alway behind the scene.

This is the writer of the Playdoy (the defender case) for mr Hendrick Croes

This is the man in a special case in a wire transfer in 2004 to a Hong Kong bank where from the Casino of the Holiday inn a sum in 500.000.00 was transfer and till today no one is arrested and till today it did not hit the paper. but someone did pay for it.

thnks body at www.24ora.com for the pic.

CAPS


« Reply #703 on: July 05, 2008, 09:49:28 PM »Caps

Hi Red and Klaasend

I just posed on page 35 some info for your files...This is the DirtyHand


« Reply #704 on: July 05, 2008, 09:50:03 PM »wreck

Frans Duetekom?

« Reply #709 on: July 05, 2008, 09:55:39 PM »klaasend

Caps - is his name Ruiz?

Abogado mr. Ruiz ta para riba denuncia falso        Friday, 04 July 2008 - 13:00  Ayera merdia Fiscal a bisa Hues cu e no ta haya legalmente proba intento di causa maltrato severo y tampoco cu mr. Hendrik Croes realmente a dal e agente di Polis E.V.Maduro cu auto. Esei ta nifica cu a keda un acusacion so esta pone trafico den peliger y bay cu auto riba un persona. Fiscal a exigi castigo condicional y un multa.  E acusacionnan contra mr. Hendrik Croes ta: cu e intension di causa danjo fisico pisa na un persona, a intencionalmente core bay cu su auto riba e persona ey dia 16 di Maart 2008. Click read more pa mas detayes y imagen. - Mr. Croes tambe ta wordo acusa di como chofer di e auto, a sigui core bay despues di a causa un accidente caminda un persona (den e caso aki e agente di Polis, Maduro) a sufri lesion. Tur esaki sin cu por a debidamente determina identificacion di mr. Croes. - Ministerio Publico tambe ta acusa mr. Croes di a comporta su mes di tal manera riba caminda cu el a stroba libertad di trafico y/of pone trafico na peliger.Ministerio Publico ta describi e comportacion ey cu ora cu e agente di Polis, Maduro, tabata regla trafico riba caminda a duna mr. Croes un senjal pa stop pero mr. Croes a core bay riba Maduro y a dal’e.Hues a repasa kico lo a sosode dia 16 di Maart 2008 na e retondo di Paradera, caminda el a mustra cu Maduro a declara cu a duna mr. Hendrik Croes dos senjal pa para pero mr. Croes a sigui core y e mester a bula un banda caminda e lo a lora riba e capa di motor. Hues a mustra cu tin otro testigonan cu ta declara cu loke Maduro a declara no ta asina o en todo caso nan no a mira Maduro lora riba e capa di motor.Hues a mustra tambe cu for di e investigacion di TOD por conclui cu e auto a dal e agente di Polis.Fiscal a mustra cu e caso a haya hopi atencion y e ta aplaudi e tremendo trabou di Landsrecheche cu den un forma hopi rapido a logra haya testigonan pa asina trece claridad den e caso. Fiscal no ta haya legalmente proba intento di maltrato severo cu auto. El a mustra cu tabatin testigonan cu a declara cu nan a mira mr. Croes baha velocidad. Tambe tin dos agente di Polis cu a declara cu e auto tabata core poco poco. Esei ta mustra cu e auto no tabata bay directamente riba Maduro cu intension di causa herida severo.Tampoco Fiscal ta haya proba cu a causa herida severo. E ta conclui cu a base di declaracion di e testigonan, no por conclui cu tabatin un accidente. Pues no por papia di cu mr. Croes a sigui core bay.Fiscal si ta haya proba cu Croes a pone trafico na peliger dor di no sigui instruccionnan cu a wordo duna door di Maduro. Segun Fiscal, tabatin patruya di Polis para riba e retondo cu serena sendi. E no ta kere e declaracion di mr. Croes cu e no a mira Polis. Fiscal ta haya cu Maduro mester a hala un banda pa auto no pasa riba dje. E ta haya cu no por ta asina cu mr. Croes ta sigui core bay.E ta haya cu loke mr. Croes a haci ta algo serio y a exigi 1 siman di prison condicional cu un tempo di prueba di 2 anja y un multa di 750 florin y si no paga esaki e lo mester bay 15 dia sera.Abogado mr. Ruiz a cuestiona e hecho cu a base di denuncia falso, Ministerio Publico a bay detene mr. Croes. E ta haya cu Ministerio Publico a actua robez. Mr. Ruiz no ta haya na su lugar cu mr. Croes mester presenta den Corte pa un caso penal contra su persona y awor Fiscal ta hala dos di e acusacionnan aden. Segun mr. Ruiz, ora cu e persona a dal man riba capa di motor di e auto y despues a habri e porta di e auto, mr. Croes no a pensa cu tabata trata aki di un Polis. Ta pesei el a aumenta velosidad y a core bay. El a sigui bisa cu dokter no a constata nada na e agente Maduro. Pa loke ta trata e acusacion di pone trafico na peliger, mr. Ruiz a remarca cu no ta mr. Croes sino e agente di Polis Maduro a pone trafico den peliger. El a conclui cu ta parce cu Ministerio Publico kier haci tur posibel pa toch castiga mr. Croes. E ta haya cu mester declara mr. Croes liber. Hues a keda di studia e caso y dia 17 di Juli e lo dicta sentencia.

« Reply #710 on: July 05, 2008, 09:58:43 PM »Caps

All what you have is what they wanted you to have and read...

The real man behind all special cases is this man....

No one will ever seen him or remember him....

since he the behavior specialist...

hidden in the OM of Aruba...

Seek yee DirtyHand because he is the week link in all the Natalee case...


« Reply #713 on: July 05, 2008, 10:04:32 PM »klaasend

Am I missing the name Frans Deutekom in this article?  Is his name Deutekom or Ruiz?«

Reply #714 on: July 05, 2008, 10:13:37 PM »Lala’s
   
 CapsI can't find Deutekom mentioned in that article...is it because English is my only language? Help!«

Reply #715 on: July 05, 2008, 10:16:10 PM »Klaasend

I'm thinking this person goes by more than one name. «

Reply #716 on: July 05, 2008, 10:16:53 PM »caesu

wouldn't that be Frans van Deutekom?he is public prosecutor on Aruba.«

Reply #718 on: July 05, 2008, 10:21:49 PM »Caps

Like I said before:

1. he will never put down his name.

2. he will not pose for pictures

3. he is behind the scene.

This was a favor....carefull here..we are stepping onto rice papers....

From Left to Right in the Article.In the Picture we have Frans Deutekom, Police Madura and President of the Police Union and last is Maduro






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« Reply #741 on: July 06, 2008, 08:52:27 AM »

Continued…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.720

« Reply #720 on: July 05, 2008, 10:24:12 PM »Caps

This is the Hidden one...
Trust me on this...I know since 2004 what was going on....


« Reply #727 on: July 05, 2008, 10:36:52 PM »Caps

100 % sure...Frans Deutekom....the behavior specialist...he will make the most guilty looks like angels...

1000% manipulator of the truth


« Reply #731 on: July 05, 2008, 10:44:12 PM »Rob   
 
Caps, is there any chance this guy is involved in the case of Alex Mathews? or Max DeVries? or any of the other missing people (turistas) on Aruba?


« Reply #733 on: July 05, 2008, 10:52:24 PM »caesu

they report to Mos.
and Mos reports to the PG (Pieterz, formerly Jörg
)and the PG reports to Rudy Croes.
but there shouldn't be interference from high up to the prosecution.
to keep the seperation of powers in place.
but on Aruba this is non-existent.

Rudy Croes can order through the PG an prosecution or stop a prosecution or move a prosecution in a certain direction.
but if he does that. he needs to let the parliament know. which he never does.
but his party, the MEP has the majority anyway in the parliament.
this enables the political prosecution and corruption.
or better said: preventing of prosecution of political allies.

very few Dutchies know that on Aruba the MEP has the absolute majority.
here in the Netherlands there are always coalition government.
so we are used to some checks and balances and oversight even from within the government parties.

Arubans know this. that's why they are so outraged to see Hendrik Croes getting this special treatment.

but Mos keeps saying:
it is not a political prosecution because we are not giving in to the demands from the AVP the prosecute Hendrik Croes (charge him with attempted murder).
Jörg said kind of the same thing while has was PG.
but in his last interview he acknowledged that there are many political influenced prosecutions.
of course the Hendrik Croes-case is a text book example of this.
i think Hendrik Croes, brother or Rudy, former minister of justice, shouldn't have been attorney for the government in the court cases during the state workers strike in the first places. that was asking for trouble.«

Reply #735 on: July 05, 2008, 10:56:13 PM »Caps

I can explain that...in December 2004 discovert in a case dealing the Holliday inn...very in the news.
In 2005 he is the one that handle the Natalee case. all the other's that where in the media where just fronts for the OM

in 2004 he proscuted a case where the man was sentance for 2 year, but since the case would show the government week side and incompetent, the case was manipulated and so a innocent man went to jail.

his work is to protect the system at all cost.

Puales and Vonking knows this man very well and are buddies and so are Teresa and Marian.









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« Reply #742 on: July 05, 2008, 11:24:10 PM »Carpe   
 
he judge understood the request of the lawyers. He confirmed that the relevant minutes in november 2004 was completed, but only last week filed with the Registrar, a few days before the zittingsdatum. "It is a recurring problem that records verbal arrive too late. Sin, because that means unnecessary waste of time for all concerned and it is a waste of time and space for today in the courtroom was reserved. This time, we can use for another case. "Van den Noort honoured the request for postponement and said the cocaïnezaak two months will persist. "Are we then in time a new call?" Asked lawyer Lejuez. Public Prosecutor Frans van Deutekom promised within a week a new date to publish. The seven suspects in this case, five men and two women, are suspected to them in the period from 1 september 2003 and July 19, 2004 in association were in possession of cocaine and hemp and that they have imported, transported and sold.

http://tinyurl.com/6cnq7o


« Reply #743 on: July 05, 2008, 11:26:16 PM »Carpe   
 
The above came from a page off of http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com  originally.


« Reply #744 on: July 05, 2008, 11:29:45 PM »Carpe   
 
He is also looking to get in touch with old school chums!

http://tinyurl.com/5bsqws


« Reply #746 on: July 05, 2008, 11:36:50 PM »TM   
 
 Here are some links I had saved re: Deutekom

Some may have already been posted!   
Sorry about the length of some of them, I don't know how to do the tinyurl thingies.. 

http://www.justitie.nl/images/voorkoming%20van%20folteringen%20of%20bestraffingen%20CPT%20van%20het%20vierde%20reguliere%20bezoek%20Koninkrijk.doc_9530_tcm34-100232.pdf 

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:3ktwo68NGLsJ:www.ejcl.org/64/art64-27.html+deutekom+frans+public+prosecutor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a 

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-01-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-01-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal.htm

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/archief%2520nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/2005/2005-01-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-01-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Frans%2Bvan%2BDeutekom%2522%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html «

Reply #748 on: July 05, 2008, 11:38:23 PM »always1
   
 CAPS does that mean he was there when the boys were let go and does that mean it is written in stone (so to speak) can the charges be levied against them or not???«

Reply #749 on: July 05, 2008, 11:40:49 PM »Carpe
    
 dialuna 11 Juni, 2007 solo di pueblo reference

Mr. Frans van Deutekom (Officier van Justitie) 7.00 – 8.30 p.m

http://tinyurl.com/5t98mp«

Reply #750 on: July 05, 2008, 11:44:21 PM »always1

    
 And I wonder, does that mean he knows where Natalee is now????«


Reply #751 on: July 05, 2008, 11:46:22 PM »Carpe
   
 Some type of school alumni association.Frans

http://tinyurl.com/5n8yxt«

Reply #752 on: July 05, 2008, 11:53:09 PM »SS

Hi always1 - from what we were told, DTKM knows all and decides all.«

Reply #753 on: July 05, 2008, 11:56:08 PM »Carpe

Some other type of school assoc. with an email channel.

http://tinyurl.com/66h3yy«

Reply #754 on: July 05, 2008, 11:57:16 PM »always1

   
 Thanks SS, but does that mean if he makes the final descision, can Joran and the others be brought back in or not????«

Reply #755 on: July 05, 2008, 11:59:25 PM »Helen Back

Thanks CAPS!  Good to see you here.  First thing I thought of when Caesu brought the news of Hendrik Croes case.........wonder if this was fixed by the Super Dirty Hand?  How else could an outcome like this happen?

These people are just blatant with their corruption and favoritism.....unbelievable.«

Reply #756 on: Today at 12:00:12 AM »Caps

Yes, He is the weakest link...since he thinks he was not involved, but he was there....I can say for sure 100%...he was there that night... he is the one that will call the shots.

like any move there is a script, in the case of Natalee time was essential to write a perfect script.

Compare simple case of Maduro vs Hendrick.... he twisted the stories eventhough there are all proef.

Now to establish the proedf he needed 2 witness to go against Maduro (he took 2 Dutch cops) not arubians cops.

The Technical department investigators report show conclusive that he hit Maduro with the car but he argue that he has witness statement that the casr was slowing down and so he could not hit maduro that hard....LOL

but the Judge follows the TEchnical investigators report and so is this story like a movie that Madura is the one that is lying.

in he case of Natalee the time was needed to cover all corners with simple finding a withness that say that they look like the person he saw bu he is not sure. Now to make things go is way, there should be a fall guy and for how long. Well the rotten apple from holland did his home work and manipulated the system to protect someone in the same line of work, The Government, and the system at all Cost.

« Reply #757 on: Today at 12:02:53 AM »klaasend


So how do we get to the truth? «

Reply #758 on: Today at 12:05:31 AM »Carpe
   
 Frans
Donderdag 13 maart 2008

ochtend     middag   

MCB NEDERLAND

http://tinyurl.com/6y5hs9   
 



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« Reply #743 on: July 06, 2008, 09:24:05 AM »

Thanks Mum!  You do that so well.  Look how neat and tidy everything is.  Wow!
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« Reply #744 on: July 06, 2008, 09:30:20 AM »

CAPS,

If 'DirtyHand' is Deutekom, is there another dirtyhand? Could that be HANs Moss?  Codetalkers wrote upper and lower case DirtyHand/dirtyhand.

Are the names the codetalkers use actually part of their real names? As in the Arawak KING could be Ben vocKING?

Then who would be the Lordship?
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« Reply #745 on: July 06, 2008, 09:39:28 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.760


« Reply #760 on: Today at 12:12:18 AM »SS

I don't know.  I'm sure it would be possible if enough new evidence were to be presented.  We can only hope so.  DTKM is the one who supposedly knows all of the details of what went on and he's the one who fixed the coverup.  We were told that he is very powerful and everyone is afraid of him.  He calls all of the shots.


« Reply #762 on: Today at 12:17:19 AM »Destiny


Quote from email from Aruba last week...Destiny

Hi xxxxxxx;

In Joran's book he write about Freddy, who he is and who are the parents. But I don't have the book anymore because I have lent somebody the book and he doesn't return it to me yet.

THe man Deutekom is a important person in the justice of Aruba (a fiscal) but I don't know if we have picture of him. If I find one I will send it to you. I keep looking at other names. I let you know.

 

Bye


« Reply #764 on: Today at 12:19:30 AM »Helen   
 
So Julia is tangled up with Deutekom?


« Reply #766 on: Today at 12:27:05 AM »Carpe


It is the Gov't and the System he wanted to protect AT ALL COST, right?

Well, then we need to make it AT ALL COST.

We should keep blasting, and blasting, and blasting, and blasting...

Hopefully, Peter R. De Vries will keep blasting, and blasting, and blasting...

until they can't take it one more day. AT ALL COST

Brute force is the only thing these people understand.

We need to help them with that. Whatever it takes!



« Reply #768 on: Today at 12:28:54 AM »klaasend   
 
Capslock - Let me ask your personal opinion.  Could Karen Janssen and Jan van der Straten have wanted to do the RIGHT thing but could they have been stopped by Deutekom?  Were their hands tied by Deutekom?


« Reply #770 on: Today at 12:30:31 AM »caesu


this should show for everyone how corrupt this OM actually is.

OM asked 1 week sentence for Croes.
OM asked 4 months for Maduro AND 160 hours community service.

both conditional, so they won't have to serve time if they don't make another offense.for Croes 2 years probation, for Maduro 3.

every Aruban can now fear for his live.
the Croes brothers can go on rampage through the island.
and anyone who files a complaint doesn't get justice but gets a prison term requested for them by the OM.

if Maduro has to go to prison i doubt the police force and the other Arubans are going accept that without protest.

but then if Maduro won't get a prison term Croes will file a lawsuit against him.

you do want to read the translation of this article tomorrow:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44138.php

this was the reaction by Croes, published already yesterday:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44111.php (in english)



« Reply #773 on: Today at 12:42:06 AM »Destiny

Klaas...I'm thinking along the same lines with you....BTW can you, or anyone else tell me how to pronounce his name...Deutekom...correctly?   TIA..

Destiny...phonetically would work just fine...













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« Reply #746 on: July 06, 2008, 09:54:21 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.780

« Reply #785 on: Today at 12:57:24 AM »Caps

KAren and van der Straten wanted the case to come out, but Deutekom had them already under his control....in the OM notting get done without the aproval of duetekom...He is the one that tells Mariam what to say and when to say it.

and then there is Rudy Croes which is the minister of Justice, has the title but no power...he is like Hans Mos. The power is in Hendrick Croes who is the brother of Betico Croes which is the uncle of Rudy Croes.

Hendrick Croes is the back-office (where things are beeing run from) but with no title. In the last election, Rudy croes could not be Minister of Justice and so they made a deal where he will be the front (Puppy say all guy) and Hendrick the real Minster Of Justice. in the eyes of the true MEPS party supportes, they believe that Rudy is running the show but he is not).

Teresa was placed there by Hendrick Croes and so was Marian. both hands where tied down since this guy Duetekom was send protect the blunders that Rudy Croes was commiting... This guy hands are in all the mayor organisation including the UN.

For the case in 2004 we Read what he presented to the court and it was all a fabrication based on what he knows about you.
e.g. if you are an expert in some thing, he will use that knowlage to potraay that since you know about something, that means that the possibility is that you have done it. (So how can you proed that you can not have done it).

In the case of Natalee, Joran boost but he did not do it, but since he boost, he wanted the game to continue and so they stoped him right in there. He will not boost any more.

If I had to call some one to question, I will start with Duetekom and Rudy Croes and the prime Minster and Hendrick Croes.
Steve Garido Croes Jr.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.800


« Reply #806 on: Today at 03:04:32 AM »wreck   
 
Frans Deutekom = Dirty Hand .............. so what do we do now??? 


« Reply #807 on: Today at 04:01:30 AM »TM

Exposing him has to be a start....we've got to keep on trying to peel back the layers!


« Reply #810 on: Today at 07:46:17 AM »Mrskub   
 
I found an interesting "Secret" document (or so it's labeled) from the CPT regarding a visit to Aruba jail/prison system in June 2007. I certainly wouldn't want to be held in these facilities!

http://www.justitie.nl/images/voorkoming%20van%20folteringen%20of%20bestraffingen%20CPT%20van%20het%20vierde%20reguliere%20bezoek%20Koninkrijk.doc_9530_tcm34-100232.pdf


Reply #813 on: Today at 08:06:52 AM »Mum

Still catching up, but TM, Lala's, vms, or another Tangoer, but I thought that Caps told us that Deutekom was German. Can anyone recall, as it may affect how his name is pronounced.


« Reply #814 on: Today at 08:12:01 AM »   
 
Help from some of our Dutch posters, please!

Caps posted that Rudy and Hendrick are not brothers. He has posted this twice before in Shango and I have checked on it and found articles referencing them as brothers....LOL...He didn't answer my questions on it either!

Can we please find out for sure, one way or the other?


« Reply #815 on: Today at 08:50:37 AM »Lala’s

I know Caps is not here right now, but hopefully he will drop in and explain this for me.  I am going to assume that Caps meant boast instead of boost.  Are you saying that Joran did not do anything to Natalee? That his bragging is what got him into trouble and complicated things so much that we are where we are now?  I must go back into the Shango archives and find where Caps first mentioned Deutekom. We have been waiting for this info for a while now.  Caps has had a bead on this guy for some time.  I will try to find it an post it in a few.  I guess I need to move it to Shango too for future reference.



« Reply #820 on: Today at 09:41:41 AM »Karma

I have questions.
How long has Duetekom been in office and how long are they(whatever his title is)supposed to be in office?
Does anyone know if Beth and Dave ever met Duetekom or ever had dealings with him?



I couldn't paste the pic if it can be bought over...and I think there was a post or two of Carpe's I couldn't copy...TIA on the pic!










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« Reply #747 on: July 06, 2008, 10:29:05 AM »

I have a question.

How does Shango know Deutekom?

Shango = Florida.

Deutekom = backroom on Aruba and hidden.

How did Shango find out it was Deutekom? This seems like a very very tricky area. How does this relationship work?

anyone have any ideas?

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Another thought - Deutekom is a behavioral specialist. Van Der Straaten was wire tapped speaking to Paulus. Did Van Der Straaten get the "mental institution" idea (in Joran's book) from Deutekom?

Seems to me you need an expert like Deutekom to make a decision like that. So, did Deutekom actually meet with Joran and observe his behavior? How could someone suggest that Joran be placed in a mental institution without observation? That seems like a violation of ethics.
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« Reply #748 on: July 06, 2008, 10:47:37 AM »

I have a question.

How does Shango know Deutekom?

Shango = Florida.

Deutekom = backroom on Aruba and hidden.

How did Shango find out it was Deutekom? This seems like a very very tricky area. How does this relationship work?


anyone have any ideas?

++++++++++

Another thought - Deutekom is a behavioral specialist. Van Der Straaten was wire tapped speaking to Paulus. Did Van Der Straaten get the "mental institution" idea (in Joran's book) from Deutekom?

Seems to me you need an expert like Deutekom to make a decision like that. So, did Deutekom actually meet with Joran and observe his behavior? How could someone suggest that Joran be placed in a mental institution without observation? That seems like a violation of ethics.


Great question Rob...one I don't know the answer to...LOL, but definately one to think about...Thanks...


Can anyone can please shed some light on whether Betico, Rudy and Hendrick are really brothers it would be greatly appreciated.

Caps and, IIRC Private Eye, have posted that Rudy is a nephew. As I posted earlier Caps has posted this 3 times at least now, and would like to get to the bottom of it once and for all.

All I have found are posts and blog references, though did find Rudy’s date of birth once, and omitted to save it!

This could make a difference in how we look at Steve Croes, and maybe our friend Simian…LOL…

Thanks in Advance…
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« Reply #749 on: July 06, 2008, 11:28:19 AM »

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« Reply #750 on: July 06, 2008, 11:29:14 AM »

According to what Caps posted on page 40 of NH thread....he is saying Hendricks & Betico are brothers...and Rudy is nephew of Betico


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Capslock - Let me ask your personal opinion.  Could Karen Janssen and Jan van der Straten have wanted to do the RIGHT thing but could they have been stopped by Deutekom?  Were their hands tied by Deutekom?

KAren and van der Straten wanted the case to come out, but Deutekom had them already under his control....in the OM notting get done without the aproval of duetekom...He is the one that tells Mariam what to say and when to say it.

and then there is Rudy Croes which is the minister of Justice, has the title but no power...he is like Hans Mos. The power is in Hendrick Croes who is the brother of Betico Croes which is the uncle of Rudy Croes.

Hendrick Croes is the back-office (where things are beeing run from) but with no title. In the last election, Rudy croes could not be Minister of Justice and so they made a deal where he will be the front (Puppy say all guy) and Hendrick the real Minster Of Justice. in the eyes of the true MEPS party supportes, they believe that Rudy is running the show but he is not).

Teresa was placed there by Hendrick Croes and so was Marian. both hands where tied down since this guy Duetekom was send protect the blunders that Rudy Croes was commiting... This guy hands are in all the mayor organisation including the UN.

For the case in 2004 we Read what he presented to the court and it was all a fabrication based on what he knows about you.
e.g. if you are an expert in some thing, he will use that knowlage to potraay that since you know about something, that means that the possibility is that you have done it. (So how can you proed that you can not have done it).

In the case of Natalee, Joran boost but he did not do it, but since he boost, he wanted the game to continue and so they stoped him right in there. He will not boost any more.

If I had to call some one to question, I will start with Duetekom and Rudy Croes and the prime Minster and Hendrick Croes.
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« Reply #751 on: July 06, 2008, 11:37:36 AM »

Thanks…vms and beachwego...This is why I thought they were brothers…the dates of birth…there would have to be a much older brother for Rudy to be Betico’s nephew, I think!!!

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Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

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« Reply #752 on: July 06, 2008, 01:03:32 PM »

I have a question.

How does Shango know Deutekom?

Shango = Florida.

Deutekom = backroom on Aruba and hidden.

How did Shango find out it was Deutekom? This seems like a very very tricky area. How does this relationship work?

anyone have any ideas?

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Another thought - Deutekom is a behavioral specialist. Van Der Straaten was wire tapped speaking to Paulus. Did Van Der Straaten get the "mental institution" idea (in Joran's book) from Deutekom?
Seems to me you need an expert like Deutekom to make a decision like that. So, did Deutekom actually meet with Joran and observe his behavior? How could someone suggest that Joran be placed in a mental institution without observation? That seems like a violation of ethics.

I have wondered the same thing!   
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« Reply #753 on: July 06, 2008, 01:40:33 PM »

I have a question.

How does Shango know Deutekom?

Shango = Florida.

Deutekom = backroom on Aruba and hidden.

How did Shango find out it was Deutekom? This seems like a very very tricky area. How does this relationship work?

anyone have any ideas?

++++++++++

Another thought - Deutekom is a behavioral specialist. Van Der Straaten was wire tapped speaking to Paulus. Did Van Der Straaten get the "mental institution" idea (in Joran's book) from Deutekom?

Seems to me you need an expert like Deutekom to make a decision like that. So, did Deutekom actually meet with Joran and observe his behavior? How could someone suggest that Joran be placed in a mental institution without observation? That seems like a violation of ethics.

I think to answer your question would be to assume someone was feeding Shango this information at the time and they were on Aruba. I have long thought that the real Shango was not the person posting the info...but that is just my opinion for the moment...subject to change at a moments notice.
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« Reply #754 on: July 06, 2008, 02:22:35 PM »

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« Reply #755 on: July 06, 2008, 02:56:57 PM »

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When you are here the next time will you please check out the Zedans in Aruba for me.  Still trying to fit Freddy in there since we think that is his real last name, but I know you said it wasn't.  I am wondering why he chose that last name instead of Abrambatzis. Could he be trying to distance himself from his half brother Ernesto who lives in Miami?  Or do you think Ernesto told Freddy to stop using the family name because he was into something he shouldn't be?  Could it have been a diversion?  Why would Simian want to blame Freddy?
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« Reply #756 on: July 06, 2008, 05:50:42 PM »

Continued..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.840

« Reply #841 on: Today at 10:50:10 AM »Lala’s   
 
I see some of you are beginning to understand why I asked the question. AG has told me they were brothers.  (Thanks Klaas) but Caps claims they are not.  It can only be one way or the other.  I am thinking we just have it confused between all of us in some way.  Many of us have spent hours trying to determine for certain.  It goes back to Steve Croes and his role in all this.  Of course, it also involves that 5th suspect of Simian's but I will try not to go there right now.  Thanks for everyone's help.  It would be interesting to know how our illustrious Deutekom helped Steve waltz away as Simian would say. I am going to post the first time  I think Caps mentioned Deutekom to us in Shango for everyone's curiosity. (Don't hold me to that being the first, but I am pretty sure it was around this time.)

« Reply #842 on: Today at 10:51:00 AM »Lala’s   

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2«
Reply #171 on: March 26, 2008, 12:30:32 PM »   
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:06:13 AM

Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM »
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------From Kermit's post in the other thread:
"The justices on the Aruban bench:
mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdalxmr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005
The justices on the Curacao bench
mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Haguexmr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrechtxmr. B.M. Mezas
@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)x## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005
## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect

15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."
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46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).
The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.
The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....
The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.xMaybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.
While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.
We must shine a light on those that rule the night.
Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.
Finx


I think from the list above we forgot one of those S.O.B's Mr. F.A.P.M van Duetekom.
Check what info you have on this man... good friend of Paules.. He is a Prosecuter. But he is not on the list.

CAPS

« Reply #844 on: Today at 10:54:10 AM »Lala’s   

 Oops!  I forgot the link.   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.160

« Reply #848 on: Today at 10:57:46 AM »Lala’s   

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« Reply #176 on: March 26, 2008, 01:23:34 PM »

Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007
This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008

.Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>
LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 A.        Aruban authorities
  -           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice
-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice
-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police
-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner
-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector
-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau
-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)
-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))
-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer
-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)
-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatristx-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General
-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor
-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor
-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)
-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board
  B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest
 -           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer
-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer
-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

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Please drop in and tell us more about Deutekom.  You know I have tons of questions...does he have influence over the judges also?  As in Judge Witt?  Who are his friends?  Why is he so behind the scenes?  I have wanted to know forever about this particular Shango post concerning Dirty Hand.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm

Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous










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« Reply #757 on: July 06, 2008, 05:52:25 PM »

CAPS,

If 'DirtyHand' is Deutekom, is there another dirtyhand? Could that be HANs Moss?  Codetalkers wrote upper and lower case DirtyHand/dirtyhand.

Are the names the codetalkers use actually part of their real names? As in the Arawak KING could be Ben vocKING?

Then who would be the Lordship?

Sorry Poochy…buried you!
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« Reply #758 on: July 06, 2008, 05:53:54 PM »

Caps
When you are here the next time will you please check out the Zedans in Aruba for me.  Still trying to fit Freddy in there since we think that is his real last name, but I know you said it wasn't.  I am wondering why he chose that last name instead of Abrambatzis. Could he be trying to distance himself from his half brother Ernesto who lives in Miami?  Or do you think Ernesto told Freddy to stop using the family name because he was into something he shouldn't be?  Could it have been a diversion?  Why would Simian want to blame Freddy?

Sorry Lala's...buried you too!
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