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« Reply #820 on: July 10, 2008, 04:16:42 AM »

Finngirl or any of our other veteran posters...does any of this make any sense to you, or what you recall from 2005?  TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.400

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #763 7/6
« Reply #413 on: July 08, 2008, 06:11:17 PM »

Mum: post #413 contains the neighborhood map ...
here are my random thoughts re that/other recent topics
here/in NCD thread:

"freddy's house was near vdS house" =
cannot recall who said it/who provided the so-called map
but it was mid-summer 2005/before freddy's arrest ...
for sure it was in the forum/not the FP
and the poster/whoever it was seemed legit:

the two houses were diagonal from each other
thru the backyards plus a couple/few empty lots ...
they said it was a short walk/just a few minutes

the recently posted google map and hand-drawn map
show that the houses are diagonal from each other
and appear to be w/in a few minutes walking distance ...

but there are a couple streets to be traveled
(width-wise rather than length-wise)
in getting from one house to the other ...
which is the main difference from the original info:
the two properties (#19/#39F)
aren't linked thru backyards + empty lots

my teenage friends and I quite often got away w/
out the bedroom window/thru the back gate/over the fence
when we wanted to pull off our version of "up to no good" ...
which BTW was nothing major
and didn't include death/disappearance

if mountain girls could fool the parents so could island boys
especially if the parents/PvdS/elders didn't need to be fooled

:::shrugs:::
_ _ _ _ _

"freddy was staying at vdS house on the night in question" =
I never heard that until freddy was arrested in august.
if it came out before then I totally missed it ...
I remember thinking WTF? that night

then again, maybe that's why the proximity of the two houses
had been discussed a month or so earlier

what's up w/ the conflicting stories re freddy's overnighter?
after the august arrests jossy(?)/MSM reported that freddy said:
freddy stayed at vdS home/didn't go out that night ...
JvdS came home/said he'd met an american girl/no sex/yawn

but in the JvdS book version and/or freddy's PV
freddy said JvdS told him about the american girl the next day

so it appears that freddy had originally alibi-ed JvdS
on the night in question ... yes/no ... ?

GMAFB: freddy stayed home at Sloot dump/JvdS partied at CnC's:
I'm not as think as they dumb I am, LOL

I've never read the FP in depth re freddy's arrest/just the forum:
august 26/2005 FP posts now on my reading list
_ _ _ _ _

"TV reporting vs print/website reporting" =
american MSM felt like they were burned/purposely misled
during the confession/no confession weekend in june

there were some FP posts re that situation, IIRC ...
someone/checkme(?) said to expect that talking heads
would be saying things/reporting developments
that would not appear in print/on news outlet websites

which is another reason why those w/ TV access
would post what was being reported for those w/o TV access:
perhaps it would not be available elsewhere later on

that's why the old posts are invaluable:
some links don't work anymore and/or they never contained
what was being said on-air

hmmmm ... wondering now if there are posts referring to
"the" Charles Croes interview ...
which so many say was heavily edited/revised ... ?
_ _ _ _ _

"JvdS 'aced' his exam the next day" =
from anita's mouth to bondia's/Renfro's ear ...
a spelling test maybe/there weren't any exams the next day

the may/june newsletter which provided the schedule
of the various AP/SAT exams was available at the ISA site
for quite awhile/a long while ...
 
none were listed the first week after Natalee disappeared

all the major exams took place the following week ...
no doubt a big reason why JvdS wasn't arrested until june 9:
he missed graduation but was available for his exams

I posted at a now-defunct site late winter/early spring 2006
where a dutchy was yammering re the "aced his exams" thingy
and so I posted the ISA schedule ... backatcha!

kept asking him/her for a response re the exam schedule
and got nothing but ignored ...
would respond re other subjects but nada/zip/zero re the exams
_ _ _ _ _

I lost a huge document awhile back/32,000+ KB ...
the first few inches of text were intact
but the rest of the doc looked like this: /////////////////

tried to restore it/asked lotsa people about it ...
a tech-savvy friend said the doc was virus-corrupted
and that's why the text disappeared

I'm so frustrated/I could bite someone ...
I lost TONS of posts/links/etc re the topics above/much more ...
bummer, going by memory alone

 Crying or Very sad

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« Reply #821 on: July 10, 2008, 08:00:39 AM »

Shouldn't someone be asking why all of a sudden there IS the connection to Ernesto that we have searched high and low for?  I must be the only person seeing this red flag here.  I think if Ernesto wanted a connection he would have made it long before now...I suspect we are being played. JMO of course.
  Maybe after three long years they are now feeling safe


Blonde...Could be....but I tend to think that 'they' think they are much smarter than we are...IQ of 149, Ivy league qualified and all...

Finngirl.......thanks for the yard update....still wondering where the 2008 Chamber list is, how Lilian was connected to the Bubali S.C. in 2004, and now has her very own Foundation/School....Oh...and about the fellow from the Phillipines that lives at Montanja 62....


Yapperz...Thanks...nice to see you


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« Reply #822 on: July 10, 2008, 08:54:13 AM »

Mum, in 1988 or 1989 there was an earthquake in the Philippines. Some of the service workers on Aruba worked for companies that also had locations in the Philippines. When the Hyatt collapsed during the earthquake, many of those workers went to Aruba and began working at the Hyatt.

This seems to be how many Filipinos arrived on Aruba.
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« Reply #823 on: July 10, 2008, 09:04:17 AM »

Mum, in 1988 or 1989 there was an earthquake in the Philippines. Some of the service workers on Aruba worked for companies that also had locations in the Philippines. When the Hyatt collapsed during the earthquake, many of those workers went to Aruba and began working at the Hyatt.

This seems to be how many Filipinos arrived on Aruba.

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it seem to have occurred in 1990
1990 Luzon Earthquake (Philippines)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndFql5_i78

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Luzon_earthquake
Baguio City, Benguet

Baguio City, a popular tourist destination, was one of the hardest hit with the number of deaths estimated at around 1000. Several private and public buildings were severely damaged or destroyed, many of which were hotels. One of the buildings destroyed was a five-star Hyatt Hotel; its 12 story section collapsed over the lobby area killing about 50 people. Nevada Hotel, another five-star hotel, was damaged beyond repair when the lower level collapsed, killing about 40 people.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE7D71638F934A25754C0A966958260
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Many Trapped in Hotels

In Baguio, a mountain resort city 120 miles north of Manila, at least 117 people were killed. About 1,000 people were reported trapped in the rubble of four luxury hotels, factories, a university building and several Government offices in the city. Many of those trapped were in the central wing of the Hyatt Terraces Hotel and at the Nevada Inn. Hundreds of workers were reported trapped in factories at the Baguio export-processing zone on the outskirts of the city.
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« Reply #824 on: July 10, 2008, 09:07:23 AM »

Mum, in 1988 or 1989 there was an earthquake in the Philippines. Some of the service workers on Aruba worked for companies that also had locations in the Philippines. When the Hyatt collapsed during the earthquake, many of those workers went to Aruba and began working at the Hyatt.

This seems to be how many Filipinos arrived on Aruba.


Rob...Good Morning and Thanks for the info. But our friend's database has a lone one living at Montanja 62....Chamber list has Lilian there from 2005 through 2007...And that is the address of her Foundation/School....

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« Reply #825 on: July 10, 2008, 09:41:49 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys,

I need help from lots of smart monkeys!  Last night, I discovered names of four Zedans from Venezuela on John Chemaly's Facebook.  Two hours later, they were gone.  The names were Rebeca Zedan, Jorge Zedan, Johnny Enrique Zedan, and Virginia A. Rahn Zedan.  These are similar to the four Zedan's on Sasha's Facebook - Natasha Zedan, Johnny Enrique Zedan, Vriginia A. Rahn Zedan, and Silvia Zedan.  Chemaly, Sasha, and John's mother (Glenda) are on the Facebooks of the Chemaly, Abudei, and Zedan families in Maracaibo.  They are connected to each other and we need to find out how.  Rebeca Zedan, Ilse Caroline Chemaly Abudei, Maribel Chemaly du Maratoya, and Virginia A. Rahn Zedan are big connections.  Somehow, Freddy Zedan appears to be related to John Chemaly.

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=ilse+caroline+chemaly+abudei&init=q
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=668840680
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=623976171
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=696465962
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=742645320
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=670011150
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=595530000
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=1310574381
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=724325175
http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=erika+chemaly&init=q


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« Reply #826 on: July 10, 2008, 10:02:37 AM »

SS,

Take screen shots of anything you think might be interesting as soon as you see it, before you close the page. I learned the hard way. Ask Mum, I do it on everything now. I'm sure she's sick of it. 
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« Reply #827 on: July 10, 2008, 10:17:50 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys,

I need help from lots of smart monkeys!  Last night, I discovered names of four Zedans from Venezuela on John Chemaly's Facebook.  Two hours later, they were gone.  The names were Rebeca Zedan, Jorge Zedan, Johnny Enrique Zedan, and Virginia A. Rahn Zedan.  These are similar to the four Zedan's on Sasha's Facebook - Natasha Zedan, Johnny Enrique Zedan, Vriginia A. Rahn Zedan, and Silvia Zedan.  Chemaly, Sasha, and John's mother (Glenda) are on the Facebooks of the Chemaly, Abudei, and Zedan families in Maracaibo.  They are connected to each other and we need to find out how.  Rebeca Zedan, Ilse Caroline Chemaly Abudei, Maribel Chemaly du Maratoya, and Virginia A. Rahn Zedan are big connections.  Somehow, Freddy Zedan appears to be related to John Chemaly.

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=ilse+caroline+chemaly+abudei&init=q
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=668840680
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=623976171
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=696465962
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=742645320
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=670011150
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=595530000
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=1310574381
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=724325175
http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=erika+chemaly&init=q


SS - from your first link:

Ilse Caroline Chemaly Abudei






Zedan's listed as friends:





Johnny Zedan's friends:

SASHA


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« Reply #828 on: July 10, 2008, 05:25:06 PM »

Posted back near page 22 of this thread:

I am at 100% on Simian now.

Michel Clermon / Armin Solognier

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Anyway to speak to these people (if still alive...)
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« Reply #829 on: July 10, 2008, 07:20:28 PM »

Good Morning Monkeys,

I need help from lots of smart monkeys!  Last night, I discovered names of four Zedans from Venezuela on John Chemaly's Facebook.  Two hours later, they were gone.  The names were Rebeca Zedan, Jorge Zedan, Johnny Enrique Zedan, and Virginia A. Rahn Zedan.  These are similar to the four Zedan's on Sasha's Facebook - Natasha Zedan, Johnny Enrique Zedan, Vriginia A. Rahn Zedan, and Silvia Zedan.  Chemaly, Sasha, and John's mother (Glenda) are on the Facebooks of the Chemaly, Abudei, and Zedan families in Maracaibo.  They are connected to each other and we need to find out how.  Rebeca Zedan, Ilse Caroline Chemaly Abudei, Maribel Chemaly du Maratoya, and Virginia A. Rahn Zedan are big connections.  Somehow, Freddy Zedan appears to be related to John Chemaly.

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=ilse+caroline+chemaly+abudei&init=q
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=668840680
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=623976171
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=696465962
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=742645320
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=670011150
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=595530000
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=1310574381
http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=724325175
http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=erika+chemaly&init=q


SS - from your first link:

Ilse Caroline Chemaly Abudei






Zedan's listed as friends:





Johnny Zedan's friends:

SASHA






Thanks for the help, Klaas.  I don't know how to do screen shots or even if my computer can do it.  I did do a lot of copy and paste into a Word file when I realized what was happening.  It's not easy to follow though.
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« Reply #830 on: July 10, 2008, 08:19:32 PM »


as for reading FP posts re freddy's arrest:
scratch that ... they don't exist

were they removed?

there are about 7 robo posts
and the notice: "comments closed"

WTF?


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« Reply #831 on: July 10, 2008, 09:30:31 PM »

Found these. Not sure that they even matter though since it was 2004...











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« Reply #832 on: July 10, 2008, 10:12:53 PM »

Zedan/Chemaly


My map of friends and their friends: 
  Ilse Chemaly  Ilse Caroline Chemaly Abudei
   Humberto Amado
    Tico
   Jane Morillo
    Tico
   Milton Chaves
    Tico
   Richard Cooper
    Tico
   Vicky Alvaradao
   Juan Carlos Abudei
   Nayibe Cohen
   America Beck
   Virginia Baldini
   Scott Marsh
   William Ancker
   Andres De Castro
   Alfonso Ibañes
   Rebeca Zedan  possible Freddy aunt or grandmother
   Veronica de Chemaly
   Veronica Chemaly
   Erika Chemaly  Erika Cristina Chemaly from Aruba   
   Glenda Chemaly  mother of John Chemaly
   Isabella Moncada
   Ingrid Moncada
   Astrid Chemaly
   Maribel Chemaly   Maribel Chemaly de Maratoya
   Majdi Bushnaq
   Joseph Moussa
   Leonardo De Castro
   Evelyn Melendez
   Ivette Machado
   Bertila Fonseca
   Pat Chemaly
   Carla Chemaly

Ilse Caroline Chemaly - Mother of a 16 year old beautifil boy. Married to a good man, an artist. Live in Venezuela, eager to visit my roots Lebanon and Palestine. Daughter of Rosa Abudei and Francois Nagib Chemaly. I have a brother and three sisters, the youngest passed away in 1998 in Atlanta, Georgia. A beautiful family.
Cevaz
Maracaibo, Zulia, Venezuela
Batroun - 1958
Record Created on September 11th, 2007

http://www.leb.org/v3/display/52316/venezuela/ilse-chemaly/
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« Reply #833 on: July 10, 2008, 10:15:57 PM »

http://www.geni.com/profile/index/4122113739590025569

Guillermo Zedan (deceased)
Death:   (Date and location unknown)
Immediate Family:    Husband of BlancaFather of Guillermo, Ana, Norma, Rebeca and Jorge
Added by:   Ilse Chemaly Abudei on October 13, 2007
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« Reply #834 on: July 10, 2008, 10:34:07 PM »

Laughing

Bubali Sport Club
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« Reply #835 on: July 10, 2008, 11:18:58 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.720

On the thread above, Rob posted (today) two pics of Deepak's car with different rims, different wheels and different mirrors!  Great find ROB! 

Also discussed was the swapping out of Deepak's car, the blood vs. chocolate, ants in the car, and Automotive Enterprises
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/08/24/natalee-holloway-investigation-of-osman-august-6-2005-statement/ (osman =owner of AE). 

I brought this info over to this CODETALKER thread because maybe 'the other car' and the 'keys to the car' have something to do with this car swapping. Who picked sporter up (IN A CAR) for the party, and then who brought the sporter home, (IN A CAR) therein lies the 3rd act. Two cars. And how many Sloot cars were investigated?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

WAS THIS PROSE ABOUT THE CAR THAT WAS SWAPPED? THAT THE CAR DOOR NEVER EXISTED???
AND WHO THE HECK IS 'HIS LORDSHIP'???

WAS THE 'KEY FOUND IN THE CAR' THE ACTUAL CAR KEY, OR THE BLOOD EVIDENCE THAT WAS SWAPPED OUT WITH CHOCOLATE?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist. The arawaks can’t open the door . Hope lies with the cowboys, but the posse was too late. Eden is still distant.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key. thedoor never existed. Eden is distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The key does not exist. The Arawaks knew Babylonian involvement would prove futile. That is why the cowboys left the fort and are searching with the Indians.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks. So it will remain “cowboys and indians”. The posse was too late.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ? They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory. The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon. The Arawaks keep the singing card. One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough. His lordships presence guarantees a trio. The key to edens door did not exist. The refrain has already begun.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist. doors to eden remain closed. The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty. Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand. If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons. DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon. Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home ….without the loot

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden. the arawaks awaited the key. his lordship said no. the door to eden remains closed. they are preparing the fire.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon. He holds the real key. The Arawaks fear his exposure. The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks. DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless. He can break the alibi.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden. The answer lies with the Arawak Nation.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed I must feed the messengers.
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« Reply #836 on: July 10, 2008, 11:30:26 PM »

Just dawned on me ...  LOL

The Noble Son of the Sun Breaking Through...

http://www.bondia.com/

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« Reply #837 on: July 10, 2008, 11:39:04 PM »

Just dawned on me ...  LOL

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Mum, you are brilliant.  Bon Dia = John Chemaly, Jr.
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« Reply #838 on: July 10, 2008, 11:42:09 PM »

Just dawned on me ...  LOL

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« Reply #839 on: July 11, 2008, 01:00:11 AM »


as for reading FP posts re freddy's arrest:
scratch that ... they don't exist

were they removed?

there are about 7 robo posts
and the notice: "comments closed"

WTF?




The front page comments weren't removed but were lost in a software upgrade that was done about 2 years ago.  It was an upgrade to the spam software that ended up overwriting everything.  Long story and Dugga wasn't around at the time although Dugga did try to fix the problem once it was realized, to no avail.
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