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« Reply #960 on: July 17, 2008, 03:06:28 PM »

Poochy...Can you start the thread, please? But no....computer program...simple logic works for me, sometimes.

The second reference appears to be the Dutch Marines helicopters and their lights. Dutch bugs zooming....voulchers...
 

Let's think about this thread for a sec-- we need a place to park all the different things we get hits on when googling codetalker prose, correct? Like Xenon = lights, but could mean headlights, DJ rented party lights, etc? So one topic is XENON, another is MOKO, etc like that?

How can we keep track of each piece of info? If on ONE GIANT THREAD it will get lost! 

Blonde, can you assist? 

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« Reply #961 on: July 17, 2008, 03:26:22 PM »

Poochy...Can you start the thread, please? But no....computer program...simple logic works for me, sometimes.

The second reference appears to be the Dutch Marines helicopters and their lights. Dutch bugs zooming....voulchers...
 

Let's think about this thread for a sec-- we need a place to park all the different things we get hits on when googling codetalker prose, correct? Like Xenon = lights, but could mean headlights, DJ rented party lights, etc? So one topic is XENON, another is MOKO, etc like that?

How can we keep track of each piece of info? If on ONE GIANT THREAD it will get lost! 

Blonde, can you assist? 



Not Blonde...I think more chance of finding it in a separate thread, maybe a summary post with page numbers every five, 10 pages or so.

Only thing that worries me is that it has been quiet and would hate to see the posts taken away from this thread.

Lala's and I have been trying to keep an Index of the Shango threads, and I am about 20 pages behind...LOL....but then I would have the page number listed to find the posts...only thing is once the pages get older and if I don't revisit it, it is hard to remember when the posts were made to know where to even start looking in the Index.

Maybe some thoughts from some other Tangoers....
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« Reply #962 on: July 17, 2008, 03:45:27 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO
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« Reply #963 on: July 17, 2008, 04:09:06 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.
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« Reply #964 on: July 17, 2008, 04:18:51 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.

Yup. Ya read my mind. I did a categorized codetalker word doc a while ago and it comes in handy. I guess we can all do our own and compare it one of these days.
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« Reply #965 on: July 17, 2008, 04:26:36 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.

Yup. Ya read my mind. I did a categorized codetalker word doc a while ago and it comes in handy. I guess we can all do our own and compare it one of these days.


Sounds like a good idea to me. That way the discussion continue here. Now if I could only work out 'across the pond'.  Then I would have more than one to contribute...LOL

Maybe COLOMBO will kick it off!
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« Reply #966 on: July 17, 2008, 06:38:15 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.

Yup. Ya read my mind. I did a categorized codetalker word doc a while ago and it comes in handy. I guess we can all do our own and compare it one of these days.


Sounds like a good idea to me. That way the discussion continue here. Now if I could only work out 'across the pond'.  Then I would have more than one to contribute...LOL

Maybe COLOMBO will kick it off!

Across the pond = On the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, used to refer to the US or the UK depending on the speaker's location.

Across the pond = across from the pond near Joran's house...
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« Reply #967 on: July 17, 2008, 06:48:17 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.

Yup. Ya read my mind. I did a categorized codetalker word doc a while ago and it comes in handy. I guess we can all do our own and compare it one of these days.


Sounds like a good idea to me. That way the discussion continue here. Now if I could only work out 'across the pond'.  Then I would have more than one to contribute...LOL

Maybe COLOMBO will kick it off!

Across the pond = On the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, used to refer to the US or the UK depending on the speaker's location.

Across the pond = across from the pond near Joran's house...



Across the Atlantic is what I always thought...till I saw it posted by a person in Aruba, or I thought they were...was this person Dutch, Aruban or possibly American.

Does it even matter? Would it change where they are referring to? Or should I be looking at who the posts were directed at? Mainly Americans on the SM front page. 
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« Reply #968 on: July 18, 2008, 01:55:30 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.

Yup. Ya read my mind. I did a categorized codetalker word doc a while ago and it comes in handy. I guess we can all do our own and compare it one of these days.


Sounds like a good idea to me. That way the discussion continue here. Now if I could only work out 'across the pond'.  Then I would have more than one to contribute...LOL

Maybe COLOMBO will kick it off!

Across the pond = On the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, used to refer to the US or the UK depending on the speaker's location.

Across the pond = across from the pond near Joran's house...



Across the Atlantic is what I always thought...till I saw it posted by a person in Aruba, or I thought they were...was this person Dutch, Aruban or possibly American.

Does it even matter? Would it change where they are referring to? Or should I be looking at who the posts were directed at? Mainly Americans on the SM front page. 
Hi Mum....Try googling "Across the pond" it brings up some interesting stuff
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« Reply #969 on: July 18, 2008, 04:33:57 PM »

Poochy...had some more thoughts on this...LOL

I really think that the intepretations and discussion about them belong here...We are trying to work out in this thread, who these posters were and what they knew, if anything.  Picking apart their posts is part of that. Anything that comes under that has been discussed in here...the other car, the 5th. suspect, Dirty Hand and so on.

If we have 5 definitions, we won't all agree, we will all form our own opinion of which one works for us and follow that path. JMO

Would a word document or an excel file work?  Was just thinking that each person with determinations on code meanings could create one and post in the separate thread....if updated, that could be noted, as well.  Of course, this may not work, but I wanted to throw the suggestion out there.

Yup. Ya read my mind. I did a categorized codetalker word doc a while ago and it comes in handy. I guess we can all do our own and compare it one of these days.


Sounds like a good idea to me. That way the discussion continue here. Now if I could only work out 'across the pond'.  Then I would have more than one to contribute...LOL

Maybe COLOMBO will kick it off!

Across the pond = On the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, used to refer to the US or the UK depending on the speaker's location.

Across the pond = across from the pond near Joran's house...



Across the Atlantic is what I always thought...till I saw it posted by a person in Aruba, or I thought they were...was this person Dutch, Aruban or possibly American.

Does it even matter? Would it change where they are referring to? Or should I be looking at who the posts were directed at? Mainly Americans on the SM front page. 
Hi Mum....Try googling "Across the pond" it brings up some interesting stuff

I did that earlier today and forgot to post!!!  Lots of comic, Marvel stuff was where I left off.  ~Keep going around in circles~....
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« Reply #970 on: July 19, 2008, 08:38:41 PM »

Another side issue surfaced from a notorious poster, Proudredneck, claimed that the Twitty-Holloway phone at the Holiday Inn was wiretapped. Though no one proved or disproved the revelation, it did come across as possible. The wiretapper was said to be a PI working for Michael Posner. After Natalee went missing, the poster, Proudredneck, claimed the PI worked for the van der Sloot

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:4w51QRYi1kYJ:www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1014_n.php+Michael+Posner+returning+to+Aruba+the+day+after+Natalee+disappeared.&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
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« Reply #971 on: July 19, 2008, 11:38:59 PM »

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Louis+Posner+Aruba

"...When consumers visit our web site they understand that Island Remedy is something special,” said Aruba Aloe’s Louis Posner..."

5/16/06 the grey whisper said...
We all know the export is not the drugs, texan. Fnd the real export in the middle of the island and you will find the answers you seek.
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« Reply #972 on: July 20, 2008, 12:51:37 AM »

It wouldn't be surprising to learn that one of the exports of Devils Island is illegal immigrants originating from South American countries who end up in sex slavery situations in Holland & other countries throughout the world who tend to host the sexual deviants who obviously can not bond with normal human beings & have wonderful relationships so they settle for perversion of the vulnerable.  They care for nobody & are all about pleasuring themselves by abusing others & justify their perverted state by paying money, like there is any amount of money that would be enough except to those who have been kidnapped, have no way out alive & think they are protecting their loved ones.  They are SICKOS to prey on human beings in this manner to say the least.

It is my understanding that the regular prostitute in the windows area of Holland is being shut down & they have set up outside the city limits a drive in of sorts with stalls for cars.  The PERVERTS drive around a circle with these poor unfortunate young women standing on the curb & choose which one they will pay some meager amount of cash to for a 15 minute perverted pleasuring in the car parked in the stall.  These poor unfortunate women have a quota to satisfy their jailers.  Just disgusting.

But let me say that I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS ACTIVITY BEING BROUGHT TO LIGHT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LOVELY NATALEE HOLLOWAY, IT IS A DISTRACTION BY THE ARUBAN PERVERTS WHO PREY ON THE TOURISTS.

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« Reply #973 on: July 20, 2008, 10:59:31 AM »

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

Sunday, April 30, 2006
Joran's Favorite Porn Site: Bangbus

Joran's alibi, Freddie Z, who has been a friend for life and lived close to Joran has connections to South Florida. He was Joran's alibi, one of many that turned out to be lies.

The porn site bangbus.com has this mission statement:

Yes boys and girls you have reached the one, the only, bangbus.com. For 2 years we have gone out in our van with camcorder in hand, in search for every girl's inner slut. We have driven all over the country, and over the past year, all over the world. We have returned with footage that your brain will not want to accept, but will have to. It is undeniable. It is debauchery. It is human behavior brought to freightening lows...it is the bangbus, and the bus rides on...

The theme of the site is local guys driving around looking for tourist girls mostly who they can get into their cars and have sex with them. They all consider themselves pimps and the misogny is extreme.

The moments of truth and noted goals are marked with screen breaks:

Getting her in: Which is to get her in the car
Dropping her: The scenarios end with the "pimps" dropping the girls somewhere deserted.

This site is mentioned multiple times in the Aruba "pimps" tickle sites and elsewhere.

It's clear where the behaviour is fed and no doubt you will find this site in Joran's "favorites."

The men are always different in these sites. Some even look like Satish Kalpoe.


Anita and Paulus, where were you this whole time?

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« Reply #974 on: July 20, 2008, 03:32:59 PM »

Thanks Hotping and 2NJSons...going to read the FP again...Take a good look at  Simian/Merian/Armin in context...

It appears our friend Armin had some sort of identity crisis going on here…Maybe that is why he was given weekends off as Merian, all workday daytime posts, or maybe he found his true form and was able to relax as Merian….

Wonder if he was under the care of a professional at all...jumped right into a new nic rather quickly...twice....

As well as it appears he lies...


Simian Posted: Jun 30, 4:24 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:10 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:20 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:37 PM

Baboon Posted: Jul 1, 10:29 AM

Baboon Posted: Jul 1, 10:38 AM

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am
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« Reply #975 on: July 20, 2008, 07:34:52 PM »

Thanks Hotping and 2NJSons...going to read the FP again...Take a good look at  Simian/Merian/Armin in context...

It appears our friend Armin had some sort of identity crisis going on here…Maybe that is why he was given weekends off as Merian, all workday daytime posts, or maybe he found his true form and was able to relax as Merian….

Wonder if he was under the care of a professional at all...jumped right into a new nic rather quickly...twice....

As well as it appears he lies...


Simian Posted: Jun 30, 4:24 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:10 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:20 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:37 PM

Baboon Posted: Jul 1, 10:29 AM

Baboon Posted: Jul 1, 10:38 AM

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am


Truthfully, when you look really close to what was being said and in the context of the FP it appears that Simian and his various personalties are simply part of the cover up and confusion.  Given a few things I know to be true, I would say he was not as informed as some of us would like to think.  More like he was paid to confuse and continue the conversation in the direction it was desired to go at the time. Take the heat off someone that could easily be implicated and turn it toward another person. A person that may have known much more than they said. But these are only my random thoughts and certainly nothing more.
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« Reply #976 on: July 20, 2008, 07:58:30 PM »

Thanks Hotping and 2NJSons...going to read the FP again...Take a good look at  Simian/Merian/Armin in context...

It appears our friend Armin had some sort of identity crisis going on here…Maybe that is why he was given weekends off as Merian, all workday daytime posts, or maybe he found his true form and was able to relax as Merian….

Wonder if he was under the care of a professional at all...jumped right into a new nic rather quickly...twice....

As well as it appears he lies...


Simian Posted: Jun 30, 4:24 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:10 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:20 PM

Mono Posted: Jun 30, 6:37 PM

Baboon Posted: Jul 1, 10:29 AM

Baboon Posted: Jul 1, 10:38 AM

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am


Truthfully, when you look really close to what was being said and in the context of the FP it appears that Simian and his various personalties are simply part of the cover up and confusion.  Given a few things I know to be true, I would say he was not as informed as some of us would like to think.  More like he was paid to confuse and continue the conversation in the direction it was desired to go at the time. Take the heat off someone that could easily be implicated and turn it toward another person. A person that may have known much more than they said. But these are only my random thoughts and certainly nothing more.


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« Reply #977 on: July 20, 2008, 09:13:56 PM »

Just finished reading 950 odd FP posts and totally agree with Lala’s…Armin was paid to post, confuse, misinform and discredit the US networks.

He says Natalee’s parents were being interviewed by the FBI, the night before, but Aruban posted he just heard they were being interviewed right then. In fact they both gave statements the next day. Maybe this is where Simian got his “reports ahead of time” from. Only thing, Aruban heard it too.

He posts on a theory he heard, but doesn’t want to share and doesn’t answer the poster’s pleas for a response…“Across the pond”…never answered any posters…just let them speculate…for a while the boyfriend was from MB…more confusion…In later postings he will use this interpretation of “across the pond”.

Posters were posting that Fox and CNN had been saying Joran was changing his story again…Simian said: Joran has shut down.

Quote Lala’s

Take the heat off someone that could easily be implicated and turn it toward another person. A person that may have known much more than they said.

As Merian he pointed directly towards Freddy as the 5th suspect with the famous pic, but he led us away from another person.

So was it Paulus?


And, JMO, after seeing all the pics of Freddy posing, Freddy was paid well, as well!
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« Reply #978 on: July 23, 2008, 08:36:03 AM »

More on Simian’s posts…From the FP on June 22nd. 2005

“Your post is awaiting moderation”
“Your post is awaiting moderation”
“Can’t say what I want”…

LOL…So intelligent he needed another poster to point out that he couldn’t post the word “casino”…

Hmmmm…I wonder why he waited so long to answer other posters about the “theory” going around the island.

Anyone have any ideas on whom Aruban was?  Pro Sloot or just a poster?  TIA
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« Reply #979 on: July 25, 2008, 10:05:10 AM »


Took this from the “Questions for Art Wood thread”…Tyler’s transcript…

The gardener witness. Did he ever take a lie detector test. Is he deemed to be credible. Was it because he could not identify Satish. Could it have been Freddy? Absolutely. Gardener is credible. This is the original Carlos the gardener, young man, early 20s. Art found him very honest and sincere. I believed him. I am very sure this guy was honest. He was afraid to come forward because he is a gardener. This Carlos the gardener told Art (Art found him) through an interpreter. YOu could tell he was sincere. "I saw them searching by the fisherman's huts, they had a big search party, police and everybody and I was driving to work and I wanted to tell them "No, go over here." He told his employer. Carlos was not interviewed until August and he told his employer about this in June. Employer backed this up. He works for a family on the island and I think he would be an excellent witness. He could not identify Satish but could identify Baby Huey and Deepak. He said whoever was in the back seat, got down. It turns out it could be Freddy and I Have seen interviews in which it talks about the fact Paulus got attorneys for these kids the first week in June before they were arrested. Paulus got Freddy an attorney in June and Freddy was not arrested until September. That tells you a lot. Art believes Freddy is one of the five. Carlos the Gardener is a valuable witness.

More that makes Freddy #5…

Steve Croes arrested early morning of June 17th. (#4)  Freddy questioned June 17th. and not again until June 28th. ALE does not appear to question Freddy while he is under their care. But on 6/23 at 13.55, the “description” states that Karen is a friend of Van der Sloot and Arambatzis. The time for Paulus shows 14.30. Freddy #5, Paulus #6.

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 200513:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Paulus van der Sloot
Date: 23 June 2005 / 14:30
Pages: 13
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
Description: transcript of interrogation
Responsive to Request 41


Or does it?
 
If there was in fact an arrest on June 11th….and if we also look at why the same type descriptions also apply to Koen, Sander’s statement of 6/16, and Guido, Urban Croes – 6/21 statement…




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