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« Reply #1800 on: October 02, 2008, 01:27:18 PM »

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera



Unless Shango himself provided this key it can not be used as fact...possible or probable suggestions is all you can assume here.
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« Reply #1801 on: October 02, 2008, 01:35:43 PM »

Merian and Simian posted from the same location...or email...lol or I think we should just toss the dice in the air and see what comes down.

Don't get distracted from what we know to be true...that is the problem...stick with what you know to be true at this point.


Klaas has verified the Real Simian posts. (Assuming IP and email addy.)

Vms found Armin, and Armin also posted as Merian.

There were obvious dopplegangers on the FP.

That is all I think I can say is true!

Oops...I assumed on Klaas and the IP and email addy
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« Reply #1802 on: October 02, 2008, 01:38:55 PM »

Poochy...On page 13 of this thread Finngirl posted a lot of links and times to the FP posts down near the bottom of the page. I think the 6/30 ones are here as I couldn't find them from Finn's post.  I think the last one is around 2.50AM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/29/msnbc/#comments



Also the McHarvey site....Here


http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html


I had them all saved, but seem to have misplaced them in my computer and am starting again and only have Simian's done!

Thanks!

I created a 'categorized codetalker' word doc, but now realize I am missing many verses.

(If you would like a copy of it let me know and I'll email it to Blonde. )

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« Reply #1803 on: October 02, 2008, 01:52:39 PM »

Poochy...On page 13 of this thread Finngirl posted a lot of links and times to the FP posts down near the bottom of the page. I think the 6/30 ones are here as I couldn't find them from Finn's post.  I think the last one is around 2.50AM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/29/msnbc/#comments



Also the McHarvey site....Here


http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html


I had them all saved, but seem to have misplaced them in my computer and am starting again and only have Simian's done!

Thanks!

I created a 'categorized codetalker' word doc, but now realize I am missing many verses.

(If you would like a copy of it let me know and I'll email it to Blonde. )




Thanks Poochy...I will have to have to get Blonde my email addy!

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« Reply #1804 on: October 02, 2008, 05:18:05 PM »

Shango and Simian can not be interpreted unless it is in context of what is being said.  I give up trying to get that point across.  Neither of them were posting just to see themselves write something.  They were trying to communicate among the posters that were there at the time.  Both knew certain ones of the posters and each other.  It's all about context. 


context:

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« Reply #1805 on: October 02, 2008, 05:18:34 PM »

Shango:

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« Reply #1806 on: October 02, 2008, 05:20:43 PM »

Poochy…from your post yesterday

Van der Straten and Jacobs were in from day 1.

Van der Straten was due to retire mid July to the end of July. He moved to Bonaire as Police Chief and finished there in July 2008. IIRC was to have returned to Aruba?…


From Joran’s book translation…Not sure when this was…the later on

Oh, another "juicy" thingy, when Joran was arrested he was also brought to Noord later on, another policestation. Abraham Jones was there, a woman who worked at the American customs, and the cousin of ..........Jossy, who was in one of those cells for involvement in a shooting....( we knew about the cousin and the shooting, but I didn`t knew that guy was in a cell near Joran....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


From Simian…more on numbers…

 Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates
shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM


May 30th.2005 to September 23rd.=116 days

From the day Natalee disappeared until the 2005 Elections in Aruba…


One more on Acronyms…

XTC   X-Band Transmitter

COLOMBO...any info as to how or where this intel would be analysed. In Aruba? TIA





dunno-one thing I do know is that it must be very challenging and time consuming FEEDing the translations onto the tapes
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« Reply #1807 on: October 02, 2008, 08:12:38 PM »


dunno-one thing I do know is that it must be very challenging and time consuming FEEDing the translations onto the tapes

Good one Colombo! Now we're cranking!

One straight path to the house of Rave, 
   There is one straight line to Colombia

while of gold bricks the road is not paved,
   While of gold bricks = yellow brick road, the road is not paved = water.
       WHERE DO YOU WIND UP WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD?
       AT EMERALD CITY OF COURSE. Colombia is famous for its emeralds and emerald mines.


answers mysterious lie within magical letters which spell sin XTC DNA

   Could the answers be words made up by shuffling around these letters?
       XTC = methylenedioxymethamphetamine = MDMA
       DNA = Deoxyribonucleic acid


Ya know, "Babylon" (my door #3) once had streets paved of gold bricks -- but now they are not even paved.
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« Reply #1808 on: October 02, 2008, 08:34:12 PM »

The Wyndham Aruba Resort, Spa & Casino is the perfect island destination, offering the charm of the Dutch Caribbean, a magnificent beach, glittering casino and a host of outdoor pleasures.

Relax in a room (small house) at the Wyndham Aruba Resort that is full of delightful touches like satellite television, floor-to-ceiling windows and a private balcony with a spectacular view. Outside the resort, enjoy sailing, windsurfing, scuba diving, deep-sea fishing and golf. Take a refreshing swim in the ocean or just drift in our gorgeous seaside pool. Or relax with a refreshing massage, body wrap, facial or manicure at their new Intermezzo Day Spa.

Gaming Info

Open from midday until the early hours, the Casablanca Casino offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games, in a glamorous, glittering Arabic atmosphere.

They have 317 state-of-the-art slot machines, all with comfortable seats for extended play. Also, for your enjoyment, they offer complimentary beverage and cocktail service. The Casablanca's slot machines include a variety of models and coin denominations (5 cents to $25) which appeal to every player, including electronic video games and the newest technology, multi-game touch screens. They also have reelers, crisscrosses, multiples, progressive/specialty machines, and video poker.

Their table games include nine blackjack tables, one of the most popular and simple games, two craps tables, three double-zero roulette tables, one baccarat table plus one mini-baccarat table, and three Caribbean stud poker tables, Let It Ride and three-card poker.

They also feature a special high limit exclusive area (ROLL), with an additional roulette table, three blackjack tables, one baccarat table and a Caribbean stud poker table.

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.......gold bricks indeed, but the road is not paved......try the crooked path
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« Reply #1809 on: October 02, 2008, 08:39:27 PM »

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera



Unless Shango himself provided this key it can not be used as fact...possible or probable suggestions is all you can assume here.



so Indians and Arawaks are the same?

we have forbidden fruit, sin, and a guy with a key, so, naturally Eden is.....truth?
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« Reply #1810 on: October 02, 2008, 09:28:29 PM »

The Wyndham Aruba Resort, Spa & Casino is the perfect island destination, offering the charm of the Dutch Caribbean, a magnificent beach, glittering casino and a host of outdoor pleasures.

Relax in a room (small house) at the Wyndham Aruba Resort that is full of delightful touches like satellite television, floor-to-ceiling windows and a private balcony with a spectacular view. Outside the resort, enjoy sailing, windsurfing, scuba diving, deep-sea fishing and golf. Take a refreshing swim in the ocean or just drift in our gorgeous seaside pool. Or relax with a refreshing massage, body wrap, facial or manicure at their new Intermezzo Day Spa.

Gaming Info

Open from midday until the early hours, the Casablanca Casino offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games, in a glamorous, glittering Arabic atmosphere.

They have 317 state-of-the-art slot machines, all with comfortable seats for extended play. Also, for your enjoyment, they offer complimentary beverage and cocktail service. The Casablanca's slot machines include a variety of models and coin denominations (5 cents to $25) which appeal to every player, including electronic video games and the newest technology, multi-game touch screens. They also have reelers, crisscrosses, multiples, progressive/specialty machines, and video poker.

Their table games include nine blackjack tables, one of the most popular and simple games, two craps tables, three double-zero roulette tables, one baccarat table plus one mini-baccarat table, and three Caribbean stud poker tables, Let It Ride and three-card poker.

They also feature a special high limit exclusive area (ROLL), with an additional roulette table, three blackjack tables, one baccarat table and a Caribbean stud poker table.

commentary:
.......gold bricks indeed, but the road is not paved......try the crooked path
.......the yellow brick road leads to the emerald city. It is not really straight, nor crooked, but spirals around, like a winding staircase

You think this is why/where she owed $?

The Wyndham was listed as #46 on a list of Aruba hotels on an Aruba tourism website back in 2005. I'm sure a few recall that page, but now I cannot find it. Is that the hotel J&D went to the following night?

Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks were maintained until the gods heard. Babylon now fears reprisals. the fires are lit. There will be 46 sacrifices. (THE HOTELS)

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon? DirtyHand knows, this is his Power. There will be 46 sacrifices.
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« Reply #1811 on: October 02, 2008, 09:39:39 PM »

Colombo,

"... is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers///// texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05
who are the other guests at that charade?"

Based on the above codetalker verse, "Freddy" wouldn't be Jorans bff but would be a guy by the name of 'Freddy Deeb' the professional gambler who won $1,000,000 in the UltimateBet Aruba Poker in what I think was 2005 (4th season). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Deeb
Kassem "Freddy" Deeb (born November 27, 1955[1] in Beirut, Lebanon) is a professional poker player who emigrated from Lebanon to the United States at the age of 19.
 
Now the winner might throw a bash to celebrate his winnings in a private room, right?
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« Reply #1812 on: October 02, 2008, 09:43:26 PM »

The Wyndham Aruba Resort, Spa & Casino is the perfect island destination, offering the charm of the Dutch Caribbean, a magnificent beach, glittering casino and a host of outdoor pleasures.

Relax in a room (small house) at the Wyndham Aruba Resort that is full of delightful touches like satellite television, floor-to-ceiling windows and a private balcony with a spectacular view. Outside the resort, enjoy sailing, windsurfing, scuba diving, deep-sea fishing and golf. Take a refreshing swim in the ocean or just drift in our gorgeous seaside pool. Or relax with a refreshing massage, body wrap, facial or manicure at their new Intermezzo Day Spa.

Gaming Info

Open from midday until the early hours, the Casablanca Casino offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games, in a glamorous, glittering Arabic atmosphere.

They have 317 state-of-the-art slot machines, all with comfortable seats for extended play. Also, for your enjoyment, they offer complimentary beverage and cocktail service. The Casablanca's slot machines include a variety of models and coin denominations (5 cents to $25) which appeal to every player, including electronic video games and the newest technology, multi-game touch screens. They also have reelers, crisscrosses, multiples, progressive/specialty machines, and video poker.

Their table games include nine blackjack tables, one of the most popular and simple games, two craps tables, three double-zero roulette tables, one baccarat table plus one mini-baccarat table, and three Caribbean stud poker tables, Let It Ride and three-card poker.

They also feature a special high limit exclusive area (ROLL), with an additional roulette table, three blackjack tables, one baccarat table and a Caribbean stud poker table.

commentary:
.......gold bricks indeed, but the road is not paved......try the crooked path
.......the yellow brick road leads to the emerald city. It is not really straight, nor crooked, but spirals around, like a winding staircase

You think this is why/where she owed $?

The Wyndham was listed as #46 on a list of Aruba hotels on an Aruba tourism website back in 2005. I'm sure a few recall that page, but now I cannot find it. Is that the hotel J&D went to the following night?

Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks were maintained until the gods heard. Babylon now fears reprisals. the fires are lit. There will be 46 sacrifices. (THE HOTELS)

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon? DirtyHand knows, this is his Power. There will be 46 sacrifices.



key to the case.......

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….   [DirtyHand]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders [the game]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:03 pm
The alibi needs to be broken.The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.
The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power

there will be 46 sacrifices

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon (Arawak?)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house (of babylon-he holds the real key)
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet (he is the link!), under cover of delusion. (dangerous to trade)
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note. (poison note$?)
Tell the cowboys!
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« Reply #1813 on: October 02, 2008, 10:17:10 PM »

Colombo,

"... is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers///// texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05
who are the other guests at that charade?"

Based on the above codetalker verse, "Freddy" wouldn't be Jorans bff but would be a guy by the name of 'Freddy Deeb' the professional gambler who won $1,000,000 in the UltimateBet Aruba Poker in what I think was 2005 (4th season). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Deeb
Kassem "Freddy" Deeb (born November 27, 1955[1] in Beirut, Lebanon) is a professional poker player who emigrated from Lebanon to the United States at the age of 19.
 
Now the winner might throw a bash to celebrate his winnings in a private room, right?

Freddy "D" is also into H.O.R.S.E. Poker:  He won in 2007

http://www.horsepoker.net/

The checkmate is the same the tables might have turned. There are no donkeys or mules [ASSES HAHA] in chess only horses.
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« Reply #1814 on: October 02, 2008, 10:23:53 PM »

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this (minion)

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the (young) babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions (DirtyHand, PVDS).

He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens to the lions den    (eDEN)
Castigate not the Arawak Tribe for the sins of the Elders
Why have all forgotten DirtyHand, who has aided son of SlanderFoot?
He holds the key! (the house with the path)
There are many circles, but each has a center
The DirtyHand holds the key.
DirtyHand and SlanderFoot know the Lamb and the Shivas did not build Sandcastles
DirtyHand holds the key to the secrets of the SlanderFoot Clan
Babylon holds the answers

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« Reply #1815 on: October 02, 2008, 10:47:23 PM »

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this (minion)

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the (young) babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions (DirtyHand, PVDS).

He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens to the lions den    (eDEN)
Castigate not the Arawak Tribe for the sins of the Elders
Why have all forgotten DirtyHand, who has aided son of SlanderFoot?
He holds the key! (the house with the path)
There are many circles, but each has a center
The DirtyHand holds the key.
DirtyHand and SlanderFoot know the Lamb and the Shivas did not build Sandcastles
DirtyHand holds the key to the secrets of the SlanderFoot Clan
Babylon holds the answers



Arawak = Native Aruba folks
Sumerians = Native Sumerians (lower 'Babylon'/Iraq)
Babylonians = Native Iraqi folks  right? (a father w/2 sons....tied Aruba w/babylonian rope like his imposter was tied)

So why does Babylonians mean dutch? Not getting it. Jamaica me crazy friend says Babylon = law, cops, etc. But was the codetalker a Jamaican? Don't think so....

I thought at one time it meant gamblers, but codetalkers differentiate between gamblers and babylonians. Right?

We know the obvious kids that fled Aruba. But we really don't know ALL THE KIDS who fled, do we. We don't know what
BABYLONIAN KIDS FLED...
 
So why codetalkers mention EDEN?  Old Testament (Eden, etc) has nothing to do w/New Testament (Mary who was a virgin, the innocent LAMB (Jesus) that was slain, etc...) unless s/he is pointing out a location on a map. Middle east map that is...
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« Reply #1816 on: October 02, 2008, 10:50:55 PM »

Open from midday until the early hours, the Casablanca Casino offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games, in a glamorous, glittering Arabic atmosphere.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.
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« Reply #1817 on: October 02, 2008, 10:50:57 PM »

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this (minion)

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the (young) babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions (DirtyHand, PVDS).

He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens to the lions den    (eDEN)
Castigate not the Arawak Tribe for the sins of the Elders
Why have all forgotten DirtyHand, who has aided son of SlanderFoot?
He holds the key! (the house with the path)
There are many circles, but each has a center
The DirtyHand holds the key.
DirtyHand and SlanderFoot know the Lamb and the Shivas did not build Sandcastles
DirtyHand holds the key to the secrets of the SlanderFoot Clan
Babylon holds the answers


Forgot to tell you Colombo, we have a mutual friend:

Chuckie @ Java+Weed

Now go figure that one out, then give them a shout cuz they got something for you from me!

Nighty night all....
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« Reply #1818 on: October 02, 2008, 10:53:50 PM »

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows (but is afraid to rave).
So does the (married) elder.



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« Reply #1819 on: October 02, 2008, 10:56:10 PM »

Open from midday until the early hours, the Casablanca Casino offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games, in a glamorous, glittering Arabic atmosphere.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.

Babylonians = gamblers, but perhaps the gamblers that come from Babylon (IRAQ) right?

Remember, Aruba is a 'trampoline' island. Close to Colombia, Iraq's buddy in all things anti-American.

Condi Rice involvement early on... that should speak tomes to ya!

Who owned the 'pair-a-dice' boat - native aruba or foreigner - anybody know?
 
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