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« Reply #260 on: June 06, 2008, 02:49:35 PM »

Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).


Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE) Jul 1, 2005

Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.

The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.







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« Reply #261 on: June 06, 2008, 03:21:16 PM »

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lalla mum
The books material are intro to Shango, How to Shango, The complete Shango and The new Encyclopedia of Shango.
These books where written by Alex Mathew.

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There are several, chinese Rest. But in Indonisia or how the Dutch call it, Lekker exotic dinners is only one. The food they sell is mostly Dutch chinese Cuisine.

Not The House of Rave. There is several House of rave in Aruba but in Noord there is none left.

Alex had the last one and it was Called Spice Night Club. Meaning hot, sexy, you know. He was robed of all this and end up in Jail. The palce is till there but to find it you had to know what was in Noord as house of Rave.

From the House of Joran there is was a House of Rave that night but not gold brick.

on a straight path means from the Police station go straight. Pass the house of Rave (Alex old SPICE Night Club)
To the Gold Bricks (These are the Fininacial Institution) Banks - Aruba Bank

Trun Left till the dirt road....on the Dirt road you will find the pond.

The pond is Behine the Restaurant LEKKER RESTAURANT (e X o T i C   D i N n A (r)

Here is the mistery
 
 
 

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« Reply #262 on: June 06, 2008, 03:23:14 PM »

Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).


Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE) Jul 1, 2005

Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.

The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.










Thanks Johan...I wonder what happened to Alex Mathew?
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« Reply #263 on: June 06, 2008, 03:26:14 PM »

interesting stuff that article from july 1st 2005 johan!
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« Reply #264 on: June 06, 2008, 03:28:54 PM »

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lalla mum
The books material are intro to Shango, How to Shango, The complete Shango and The new Encyclopedia of Shango.
These books where written by Alex Mathew.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There are several, chinese Rest. But in Indonisia or how the Dutch call it, Lekker exotic dinners is only one. The food they sell is mostly Dutch chinese Cuisine.

Not The House of Rave. There is several House of rave in Aruba but in Noord there is none left.

Alex had the last one and it was Called Spice Night Club. Meaning hot, sexy, you know. He was robed of all this and end up in Jail. The palce is till there but to find it you had to know what was in Noord as house of Rave.

From the House of Joran there is was a House of Rave that night but not gold brick.

on a straight path means from the Police station go straight. Pass the house of Rave (Alex old SPICE Night Club)
To the Gold Bricks (These are the Fininacial Institution) Banks - Aruba Bank

Trun Left till the dirt road....on the Dirt road you will find the pond.

The pond is Behine the Restaurant LEKKER RESTAURANT (e X o T i C   D i N n A (r)

Here is the mistery
 
 
 




Fits the bill...intelligent, a bone to pick...but can we put him in Florida?
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« Reply #265 on: June 06, 2008, 03:30:14 PM »

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Why do they want to deport Alex Mathew?
October 6, 2006 | Page 2

EDWARDO "ALEX" MATHEW is a U.S. permanent resident and Dutch national who has been unjustly detained and threatened with deportation by the Department of Homeland Security. But his family and friends in Providence, R.I., are fighting back, forming the Committee to Stop Deportations and Detentions.

Alex's wife, ARIANNA IANNUCCILLI-MATHEW talked to SHAUN JOSEPH and BRIAN CHIDESTER about the couple's experience. Shortly after this interview, Alex was moved from the Suffolk County, Mass., jail to the Buffalo Federal Detention Center.


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WHO IS Alex Mathew?
HE WAS born in Aruba and lived there for a while, and in the Netherlands. We've been married for 11 years.

In Aruba, he was involved in politics. He owned a few businesses, including a security guard company and a nightclub. He also had a telecommunications license from the government to open a phone company in Aruba in 2001. This was rare because there were few such licenses awarded by the government.

Following the takeover by a new government, Alex was politically and racially targeted, and unjustly and inhumanely incarcerated.

While he was in jail, he was abused and tortured. We submitted all the evidence to the European Court of Human Rights, the most influential human rights court in Europe. His case was accepted by the court, and he won. The court decided that the Aruban authorities had violated Article 3 of the Convention on Human Rights.

It was a landmark case, because no one from the Netherlands had won a case in that court. Because he won that case, the cases in Aruba could be reopened on appeal. They are still pending.

So in 2004, once he was released from the Aruban jail, he came here to the United States, legally on his visa waiver. We had a baby, and he opened a granite company. He was making a life here in the United States.

He was still involved in some things in Aruba. He helped with the elections last August, and he tried to run his own campaign for the depressed town of San Nicolas, in an oil refining area in Aruba, and against the oil refinery.

My husband's the type of person who will stand up for his rights and for other peoples' rights as well. For this reason, he rubs people the wrong way. They feel he's Black, so he shouldn't have a voice. He is a caring person who would give you the shirt off his back.

He has his business here, we own a home and an office building, he has his friends here, his son and me. We were making our life here.

MOST AMERICANS think that immigrants who marry citizens automatically become citizens themselves. What was the process like of applying for Alex's permanent residency?

BECAUSE WE didn't know how to do it, we went to a service that supposedly knew what paperwork to fill out. We explained my husband's situation to the woman who ran the service, and gave her all the appropriate documents.

We explained that he had been in jail in Aruba, and that the U.S. government knew this because they had sent several letters on my behalf, inquiring about my husband to the government of Aruba. She explained that the U.S. government was not concerned if he had been in jail outside the U.S. She filled out the paperwork and typed everything, and we went one day to sign the paperwork.

My husband got different letters in the mail to go for fingerprints, then his work permit, and then we went for the interview. The interview went well. The interviewer asked us some questions about our marriage and about my husband. But interviewer said in court that she did not ask all the questions on the I-485 form, nor did she ask them verbatim--she paraphrased the questions. She asked my husband if he had ever been arrested, but didn't specify inside or outside the U.S.

We were under the impression that the question only applied to inside the U.S, and she didn't clarify it. Finally, she stamped his passport, and we got his green card.

DESCRIBE THE incidents that led to Alex's problems with Immigration and his detention.

ON NOVEMBER 5, 2005, he was returning from a trip to Holland, and he was pulled aside at Logan Airport in Boston by Customs. He was asked if he had ever been in jail in Aruba. He told them yes. They came back with some paperwork and said there was a discrepancy, and that he was being paroled back into the U.S.

U.S. Customs took his green card and passport, and gave him a notice to report to the customs office in Providence to explain the situation, so he could get back his green card and passport. We went to the CBP [Customs and Border Patrol] office on several occasions, and each time we went, they said they didn't have the documents. They kept postponing the appointment.

Then we got another letter to go to the immigration office on May 9 to complete "the deferred inspection," and we thought he was going to get his green card back. They took him in a room and shackled him and arrested him. We never got a chance to explain the situation.

When he was paroled back in the U.S., every time we went to the customs office, we asked if we could bring an attorney, and they told us he was not entitled to an attorney, because of his parole status.

He's been in jail since May 9,2006. They've beat him up, violated his rights, denied him due process and tortured him at each of the prisons immigration has placed him in.

My husband is a civil/administrative detainee, not a criminal detainee. He is being accused of lying on his application, because the incarceration in Aruba can't be used against him to deport him or even to detain him. So they have him in jail because they have accused him of lying.

WHAT HAPPENED after Alex was detained?

HE'S BEEN moved by immigration to four different facilities. At the Wyatt, they jumped on his back and re-injured a preexisting back condition. He has been denied medical treatment in one form or another at all four prisons. At the other three prisons, he has been called racial slurs, tormented and threatened by the guards. He's been denied access to his family via visits or phone calls.

He is currently at the Suffolk County jail, where he's been in segregation for over a month without just cause. My attorneys and I have written several letters inquiring about his strict detention, and they have not responded.

He is allowed out of his cell one hour a day in hand and foot cuffs. He hasn't been able to take a shower, because they let him out in full restraint, in a wheelchair. He hasn't gotten any fresh air because they don't take him out to get fresh air.

On his one-hour recreation, he usually calls me to let me know how he is doing. Some days, he is not allowed out of his cell at all. And they take him out at 8 in the morning, so even if he wanted to call the lawyer, he couldn't. By law, he should be able to at least call his lawyer every day, no matter what status they have him in.

It's been mentally, physically, emotionally, financially draining. My son hasn't seen his father in over two months. It's been horrible.

It's frustrating because we've written several letters to the government, the attorney general, congressional leaders and senators, President Bush, Immigration, and no one's responded. We've written most recently several letters the Suffolk County jail to find out why he's being tortured like this, and we still haven't gotten a response.

Immigration says they know nothing about his treatment--it's the county jails' decision to keep him in any status they feel necessary. We call the county jail to ask about his treatment, and they tell us they cannot give us any information, and we have to call Immigration to get information.

The Suffolk jail has severely mistreated my husband. They have violated his civil and human rights and denied him due process--they refuse to give us a reason for his segregation in writing. Now, instead of dealing with the problem, the superintendent of Suffolk jail, Mr. Horgan, has requested of ICE that my husband be moved to a new prison.

We feel my husband's inhumane and criminalizing treatment is an attempt by Immigration to put pressure on my husband, so he will not fight his case, and give up and go back to Aruba.

Immigration consistently claims that they don't know why he is in segregation, yet in court on the record, the Immigration prosecutor Richard Neville says he's in segregation because he was a kick boxer and assaulted a warden in Aruba. The jail can't tell us why he's in segregation, but the prosecutor can?

Obviously, there is communication between Immigration and the jail. We feel that Immigration told them he was a kick boxer. My husband has not kick boxed in over 13 years. It's Immigration that's doing this to him.

WHY IS the government trying to deport Alex?

THEY'RE ACCUSING him of lying on his permanent resident application. They're saying he lied on his application; if he didn't lie, they're saying they would not have let him in anyway.

They're really trying to deport him because he's Black, because he stands up for his rights, and because he had a good life here--they're trying to make an example. He has a business, he has an American wife and an American-born son. They're treating him like he's a terrorist.

I definitely think the way he's been treated and the reason this process has been like it has is because he's Black. If he were white, they would not take him into court with eight guards around him. And then at the next court date, they only took him in with one guard. My husband says he can't make sense of this whole thing.

WHAT'S NEXT in Alex's case?

THE JUDGE had given the prosecution several deadlines to meet in order to produce certified documents proving the accusations against Alex. They did not meet any of those deadlines, and the judge has still accepted the documents. I still don't think they're properly certified--the certificate that's supposed to be attached had the name of the person who's supposed to sign, but did not have their title--but he still accepted them.

The next court hearing is just to see if the judge will allow Alex to subpoena the witnesses that he wants in his defense. They are witnesses who work for Homeland Security. My husband doesn't think the judge is going to allow them to be witnesses.

I want to help my husband to get out of jail and prevent his deportation. I also want to bring awareness to Americans to show them what's happening to the immigrants and bring awareness to immigrants to show them they have to join together to stop the government from abusing them.

The government tries to make immigrants feel as if they are "lucky" to be here, so they take the abuse. We want to get an organization going to get more people involved--to help bring light to the situation so hopefully Americans will understand, because when I tell them the story, they can't believe it.

My husband is not the only one this is happening to. It's happening to a majority of immigrants, they're putting them in jail without cause. If we don't stop the unjust deportation and detention of immigrants now, it will eventually affect all immigrant families and American families.

HOW HAS this experience changed your view of the world?

IT'S MADE me realize that America is corrupt, selfish, and unfair--I thought Aruba was corrupt, but after this ordeal with my husband, I think America's worse.

I feel that there's so many injustices and that America thinks they can rule the world and interfere with every country, and with people's lives and families. America feels they can destroy lives and families, and there's no repercussion, yet they complain everybody hates them. I feel there is so much hatred toward America because of the way they treat human beings.

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« Reply #266 on: June 06, 2008, 03:35:52 PM »

I have all the time the idea that Paul vd Sloot did a case as a lawyer
And that someone will  take revenge on Him

can this Alex Mathew be  S or S ?




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« Reply #267 on: June 06, 2008, 03:41:22 PM »

here in amsterdam we say : de wraak is zoet

that means :revenge is sweet

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« Reply #268 on: June 06, 2008, 04:01:10 PM »

I hear it is a guy named Dan Lewis of the ?? Reader in San Diego. phone number 619-302-8900

I have not found anything yet on this guy and his resume looks thinner than Gielen's.

this is the name I have.

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« Reply #269 on: June 06, 2008, 04:03:09 PM »

dollar is now worth less than 63.5 eurocents.
biggest drop since april, then it was at its lowest (62.5).

crude oil price is nearing $140 a barrel. highest ever.
biggest percentage two-day gain since december 2001
and biggest dollar gain since trading began.

i think Edison Briesen is getting much more worried now.
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« Reply #270 on: June 06, 2008, 04:05:10 PM »

i fond this also  on  riehlworldview.com

Posted by: ohboys | Sep 6, 2005 2:55:52 AM

Dan, You are either well meaning and naive or politically connected to Jossy Mansur and or Alex Mathew. I have checked the Alex Mathew connection in every way possible for a layman. The rest would take Interpol. We can find no hard connection between Mathew and Mansur except that they both have a very big grudge against the currect justice department. Mansur feels that they "ruined his reputation." Mathew was jailed for beating up his wife, and an employee (this according to old articles). According to Aruba sources, she rightfully filed charged. He originally got 100 days but that was increased to 6 years that got reduced to almost 4 years when he beat up Ben Vocking. Aruba sources say that Mathew is very physically fit and some accused him of very heavy steriod use that caused him to go psycho. So now Mathew is out of jail, with a very big grudge about how he was treated--according to him. Aruba sources say that the wife, Arianna, who has organized his human rights campaign is the same wife who he beat up. (I could not however confirm that with enough sources to firmly believe that Arianna is the same wife.) She lives in Rhode Island. Now go forward with this.

Arianna, who you see listed in Mathew's press releases regarding Save San Nicholas and Boycott Aruba, is a Chiropractor from Providence. She is also a businesswoman. In February 2005, Mathew set up a real estate corporation in Rhode Island called Massimo Inc. According to the Rhode Island corporation filing, he plans to invest and manage real estate. Mathew also plans several lawsuits for 1) human rights 2) personal injury 3) environmental lawsuits regarding the refinery and San Nicholas, etc. etc.

Mathew had a press conference in Aruba just before the Soul Beach concert on May 27th. He notified the main Aruba newspapers of his intention to make statements and totally everybody ignored him. Supposedly, even Jossy Mansur shunned him. So he must have been ticked off at that. According to a local source, Alex Mathew's brother was seen at the Holiday Inn with a walkie talkie a few days after Natalee's disappearance. I have not found anyone who knows where Alex Mathew was on May 30. But in early June, Mathew was on the island and exhibited some strange behavior according to one source. He was accused of annoying and scaring someone to put it mildly.

So, there is a whole lot going on in Aruba politics that we don't know about.

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« Reply #271 on: June 06, 2008, 04:10:29 PM »

In that article above :
I have not found anyone who knows where Alex Mathew was on May 30. But in early June, Mathew was on the island and exhibited some strange behavior according to one source.
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« Reply #272 on: June 06, 2008, 04:15:04 PM »

On arubansecrets:

Mathew is a trouble maker
The issues on Alex Matthew could have merit if the Judge had not "lost" all of the evidence. It is a shame that we may never know the truth.


I'm sending this anonymously as I don't want to get involved. I am
pretty sure that the guy in dreadlock is "Brian" and is not the same person as the one picture next to him. I am certain of this.
Mathew is a trouble maker. Everyone that lives here in Aruba knows that and no one paid attention to his claims. He is a convicted felon. I think he was originally jailed for armed robbery and when in jail he was constantly in problems. He assaulted Prison Warden in a very vicious way. He claimed torture and what have you but everyone knows he's the trouble maker. He used some pictures that were clearly fake(set up) to claim human rights abuse and torture and now that he's out of jail want revenge for which he's using his american wife for.
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« Reply #273 on: June 06, 2008, 04:23:04 PM »

Julia Renfro is Glenda. She mistakenly posted an email with the address to Aruba Today.

She originally took the name “Glenda” with an avatar of the Wizard of OZ, thinking she was “the good” witch. She wasn’t smart enough to know the name is Glenna.

She wrote the trash article regarding the medjet and The bad FBI. The article quoting Angela Munzenhofer and Dompig. It is still availble at the Aruban police website KPA.


ALSO - Julia Renfro posted with the nickname of BONDIA here at SM before she was banned and went to the Refugee's site using the nickname Glenda.

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Drag up a chair and tell us the truth. We’ve waited for 2-1/2 years.

The truth is that Beth is actually just a nice person, a good Mom, and a grieving Mom who comes from a hard working good family. She is also a good daughter, sister and friend. Perfect, not hardly, but certainly good. If she lived next door to you, she is someone you would like and enjoy.

Glenda posts:
Yeah right, that is why she tried to destroy the innocent lives of 120,000 people, mostly women and children… All for what? Because she took the decision to allow, send and sign consent for her minor child to go on a co-ed all-inclusive drinking fest with no supervision to an island in the Caribbean just 20 miles north of Venezuela. Sorry Nic, Aruba didn’t invite Natalee here to get drunk starting early in the morning, have a stranger lick her belly filled with alcohol and then for her to get into a car with him and two other strangers. ~ these are facts, I’ve left the other stuff out as hearsay, but the ABOVE is a fact.

Nobody deserves something bad to them, in the same time, Beth’s own words, “I didn’t deserve to have Natalee!” I dare you to say Beth didn’t say it!

She has the same style as Renee Gielen 



She makes it sound downright dangerous!  Do they put that in their travel brochures?

"Come to Aruba, an island in the Caribbean JUST 20 MILES NORTH OF VENEZUELA!"

As if Beth should have known better than to allow Natalee's vacation..........BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE ISLAND. 

Perhaps we should warn the rest of the world for Julia.

 


Helen, I was thinking the same thing.  Does she realize she is uncovering the cover-up of it being safe?  It appears when she engages her mouth (or keyboard) her mind goes numb.  Maybe she can only operate one of them at a time.

Always1 and those responding, I am enjoying your luggage talk.

         
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« Reply #274 on: June 06, 2008, 04:29:38 PM »

who wants the name and business and telephone number of Julia's and Renee's co-conspirator in the Untied States?

Me do........jackb
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« Reply #275 on: June 06, 2008, 05:11:04 PM »

were do they use these pipes for on aruba ?
sand .water,oil ?
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« Reply #276 on: June 06, 2008, 05:12:31 PM »

Destiny has been gone all day. I hope everything is ok at her house.
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« Reply #277 on: June 06, 2008, 05:20:23 PM »

were do they use these pipes for on aruba ?
sand .water,oil ?


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« Reply #278 on: June 06, 2008, 05:26:01 PM »

in S&S

lalla mum
The books material are intro to Shango, How to Shango, The complete Shango and The new Encyclopedia of Shango.
These books where written by Alex Mathew.

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There are several, chinese Rest. But in Indonisia or how the Dutch call it, Lekker exotic dinners is only one. The food they sell is mostly Dutch chinese Cuisine.

Not The House of Rave. There is several House of rave in Aruba but in Noord there is none left.

Alex had the last one and it was Called Spice Night Club. Meaning hot, sexy, you know. He was robed of all this and end up in Jail. The palce is till there but to find it you had to know what was in Noord as house of Rave.

From the House of Joran there is was a House of Rave that night but not gold brick.

on a straight path means from the Police station go straight. Pass the house of Rave (Alex old SPICE Night Club)
To the Gold Bricks (These are the Fininacial Institution) Banks - Aruba Bank

Trun Left till the dirt road....on the Dirt road you will find the pond.

The pond is Behine the Restaurant LEKKER RESTAURANT (e X o T i C   D i N n A (r)

Here is the mistery
 
 
 


This is the most logical explanation of "shango" I've seen yet! Where the heck is lala's??? Alex Mathews has been discussed in detail before as well.
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« Reply #279 on: June 06, 2008, 05:46:32 PM »

I hear it is a guy named Dan Lewis of the ?? Reader in San Diego. phone number 619-302-8900

I have not found anything yet on this guy and his resume looks thinner than Gielen's.

this is the name I have.

My guess is, the only bio, that will magically become available, will appear in wikipedia complete with unsubstantiated lies.  Perhaps under "forensic scientist".....


One of his associates wasn't complimentary on Aruba:

Jetting to Aruba is tiresome, uncomfortable, and annoying. Especially if you're sitting next to a shower curtain salesman for motel chains who wants to tell you every fascinating aspect of the job. Airline peanut bags are still as hard to open as ever, and airport security -- well, you probably know. Aruba isn't what it once was, but you can still find good seafood restaurants. A good steak? Good luck.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2006/aug/10/what-happened-your-shorts/



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