Natalee Case Discussion #756 6/5 -6/8/08

[SS]

now the next logical question is what is the name of this place / complex and who owns it?

Rob, I'm thinking it's the Caribbean Palm Village.  There's a whole cast of characters involved with this place.

Map of location of Caribbean Palm Village at this link:

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655069&lon=-70.0344247&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2



CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT & MANAGEMENT COMPANY N.V. 
 
Business address NOORD 43-E, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT & MANAGEMENT COMPANY N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  3 SEPTEMBER 1986 
Last amendment in the articles  30 MAY 1989 
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
THIS COMPANY IS IN LIQUIDATION BECAUSE OF BANKRUPTCY 15 AUGUST 1995 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
HOOGLAND, FRANK;  
Residing in  ZEPP LAMPESTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, AMSTERDAM on 14 JANUARY 1929 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  10 SEPTEMBER 1990 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
WERLEMAN-DE KORT, DIANA LOUISA; 
Residing in  SANTA CRUZ 228, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 SEPTEMBER 1944 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  15 MAY 1992 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CHEMALY, JOHN ALFRED; 
Residing in  L.G. SMITH BLVD. 111, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 MAY 1945 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  3 SEPTEMBER 1986 
Authority  FULL 
   
SMIT, RUDOLF ANTONIUS BERNARDUS MARIA; 
Residing in  SANTA MARTA 8, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 DECEMBER 1953 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  15 MAY 1992 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
PETROCHI, LOURDES MARIETA; 
Residing in  CATIRI 69, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 21 NOVEMBER 1958 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  15 MAY 1992 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
BROWN, ROY ALEXANDER; 
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 130-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 18 OCTOBER 1941 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TRUSTEE 
Effective  15 AUGUST 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   

CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE II N.V. 
 
Business address NOORD 43-E, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  26 JANUARY 1989 
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
CHEMALY, JOHN ALFRED; 
Residing in  L.G. SMITH BLVD. 111, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 MAY 1945 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  27 JANUARY 1989 
Authority  FULL 

COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE RESORTS
 
Business address NOORD 43-E, NOORD 
Legal form  COOPERATIVE SOCIETY 
Name of the COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE RESORTS 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation/commencement:
9 DECEMBER 1986 
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
FRANTSZ, ROBERT WALDO; 
Residing in  46 APACHE LANE , HUNTLEY I.L. 60142, U.S.A. 
Born in  U.S.A. on 5 AUGUST 1926 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  20 JUNE 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
HARRIS, EDWARD G.; 
Residing in  18 TH NEW ENGLAND DRIVE LAKE , HIAWATHA N.J. 07034, U.S.A. 
Born in  U.S.A. on 19 MARCH 1946 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  20 JUNE 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
WEVER, RICARDO ROLANDO; 
Residing in  NOBELSTRAAT 5-D, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 31 JANUARY 1954 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 DECEMBER 1996 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
WEVER, DONICIO RICARDO; 
Residing in  SABANA BASORA 167, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 8 APRIL 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  20 JUNE 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
MARTIS, EUGENE HAROLD JAMES; 
Residing in  MOKO 259, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 9 DECEMBER 1960 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 DECEMBER 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 

If I recall, according to what CAPS had told us in S&S, Chemaly was one of the party-goers that night with Renfro.

[Rob]

WOW Pita, talk about the mother lode of names associated with this case - all under one roof.

Very nice - as always.

[SS]

Correction:  CAPS told us that John Chemaly, Jr. was a party-goer.  It looks like John Chemaly, Sr. is one of the owners. 

[Rob]

not to change the subject - but something just hit me and I'm not sure if this is anything at all - juts mentioning it.

This was a photo from Debra / Florida / Opus - she wouldn't tell us where it was taken.



Look at these buildings - they kind of look similar. But, I don't see the one with the red roof . . . this is the junkyard behind the Matty Apartments.

[Pita]

Correction:  CAPS told us that John Chemaly, Jr. was a party-goer.  It looks like John Chemaly, Sr. is one of the owners. 

Yes, Chemaly Sr. is the owner.

[Buckeye]

Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water 

ORANJESTAD – As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia.  The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions.  The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday.  “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner.”

The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday.  He is just back from a working visit in Colombia.  He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia.  He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy.  Uribe suggested supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama.  They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy.  A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards.  This is an historic moment, said Oduber.

The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year.  WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions.  The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run.  This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island.  Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years.  Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses.  Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water.  Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier.  Also the deepwater cooling is no option.  “We do not have deepwater here.”

Aqualectra-director Anton Casperson cannot judge the Aruban situation, but he considers 40 percent cheaper production costs for Curacao not reasonable.  “Gas is indeed a serious option for us; especially from environmental considerations in combination with wind.” 

Aqualectra is not in negotiations with the gas suppliers as yet.  “The investments are high, and you must earn these back.”  Aqualectra is in the process of adjusting the long-term plans as committed in the Plan 2020.

http://www.amigoe.com/english

I would think with "constant tradewinds" and Dutch engineering, windmills could supply quite a bit of energy.  Does he really think that natural gas is going to be cheap?

[Buckeye]

not to change the subject - but something just hit me and I'm not sure if this is anything at all - juts mentioning it.

This was a photo from Debra / Florida / Opus - she wouldn't tell us where it was taken.



Look at these buildings - they kind of look similar. But, I don't see the one with the red roof . . . this is the junkyard behind the Matty Apartments.

I thought that was from the donkey sanctuary...but maybe I heard that from Purple whatever...

[Rob]

I thought that was from the donkey sanctuary...but maybe I heard that from Purple whatever...

ohh.. I didn't know - thanks Buckeye

maybe that van hauls away dead donkeys???
 

[Observer]

We haven't forgotten about you either Koen
-{$K.G$}-

    "K.G Je Weet Zelluf..."

Male
20 years old

Aruba

http://www.myspace.com/atlkg

[SS]

We haven't forgotten about you either Koen
-{$K.G$}-

    "K.G Je Weet Zelluf..."

Male
20 years old

Aruba

http://www.myspace.com/atlkg

When will they grow up and stop with the hand gestures?  I have a head gesture that I'd love to give each and every one of them.

[Tamikosmom]

Deepak describing June 2, 2005, from Joran's book (pg. 123-124):

After a while Joran's mother came into the room. When she was in the room I heard her talk to someone who was involved in the search. I heard Joran's mother say they were busy searching at the lighthouse.
 
On a certain moment Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl". Joran then asked his father: And if they don't find a body? His father answered: No, if they don't find a body then you are not that much into trouble. I asked: Is it just like in the VS that if they do not have a body that they do not have a case against you? Joran said: It is just like in the VS. If they don't have a body, if they don't have a weapon, if they don't have clothes with blood on it, if they don't have fingerprints, then they cannot start a case. Before I left Joran's father asked me if I could ask my mother to call him.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/book/statements.htm


He was describing the Paulus "no body, no case" advise.   Wonder why Joran included the other bits....weapon?? not just clothes, but "clothes with blood"?? fingerprints. Just seems odd to bring up forensics if you were not involved in "something bad" happening.

Was he just reassuring Deepak...who was getting scared?

Baseball bat.

Jug Twitty's friend ... viet vet ... claims that he was told that Joran had hit Natalee with a bat and ... that Joran had slept at the school.  The sleeping at the school turned out to be true ... Beth confirms it in LOVING NATALEE.

Janet

++++++++++

viet vet
FP comments
December 6, 2006

66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm
Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

[Rob]

Buckeye - OMG

The 2008 Calendar, featuring all the best donkey models, is now available for sale (Afl. 25) at the Santa Lucia Donkey Sanctuary or by calling Desiree at Cel: 568-4091 or Tel: 584-1063.

 

you can't make this stuff up

[Buckeye]

Buckeye - OMG

The 2008 Calendar, featuring all the best donkey models, is now available for sale (Afl. 25) at the Santa Lucia Donkey Sanctuary or by calling Desiree at Cel: 568-4091 or Tel: 584-1063.

 

you can't make this stuff up

Dang...missed the deadline....I so wanted to submit the donkey in the dumpster photo.

Don't know the accuracy of the photo being the donkey sanctuary, just what I read.

[Buckeye]

Deepak describing June 2, 2005, from Joran's book (pg. 123-124):

After a while Joran's mother came into the room. When she was in the room I heard her talk to someone who was involved in the search. I heard Joran's mother say they were busy searching at the lighthouse.
 
On a certain moment Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl". Joran then asked his father: And if they don't find a body? His father answered: No, if they don't find a body then you are not that much into trouble. I asked: Is it just like in the VS that if they do not have a body that they do not have a case against you? Joran said: It is just like in the VS. If they don't have a body, if they don't have a weapon, if they don't have clothes with blood on it, if they don't have fingerprints, then they cannot start a case. Before I left Joran's father asked me if I could ask my mother to call him.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/book/statements.htm


He was describing the Paulus "no body, no case" advise.   Wonder why Joran included the other bits....weapon?? not just clothes, but "clothes with blood"?? fingerprints. Just seems odd to bring up forensics if you were not involved in "something bad" happening.

Was he just reassuring Deepak...who was getting scared?

Baseball bat.

Jug Twitty's friend ... viet vet ... claims that he was told that Joran had hit Natalee with a bat and ... that Joran had slept at the school.  The sleeping at the school turned out to be true ... Beth confirms it in LOVING NATALEE.

Janet

++++++++++

viet vet
FP comments
December 6, 2006

66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm
Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Yep..a little spooky putting two and two together.

[Rob]

We haven't forgotten about you either Koen
-{$K.G$}-

    "K.G Je Weet Zelluf..."

Male
20 years old

Aruba

http://www.myspace.com/atlkg

right back at 'cha Koen

[Rob]

Buckeye - OMG

The 2008 Calendar, featuring all the best donkey models, is now available for sale (Afl. 25) at the Santa Lucia Donkey Sanctuary or by calling Desiree at Cel: 568-4091 or Tel: 584-1063.

 

you can't make this stuff up

Dang...missed the deadline....I so wanted to submit the donkey in the dumpster photo.

Don't know the accuracy of the photo being the donkey sanctuary, just what I read.

I remember that - only I wish I didn't 

[bleachedblack]

We haven't forgotten about you either Koen
-{$K.G$}-

    "K.G Je Weet Zelluf..."

Male
20 years old

Aruba

http://www.myspace.com/atlkg

False sense of security....they are all coming back out to play.....

[Rob]

any idea who this poor unfortunate soul is here with the goon?

same clothes???

[klaasend]

any idea who this poor unfortunate soul is here with the goon?  I believe Larissa

same clothes???

My answer above in Red

[Rob]

Danki Klaas

er, I mean Donkey