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« Reply #840 on: June 08, 2008, 05:10:30 PM »

I read that Kyle has a baby girl and named her Natalee. Congatulations Kyle.
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« Reply #841 on: June 08, 2008, 05:28:24 PM »

weapon to me is not a baseball bat - but more like what Carpe has been harping about for three years - guns - knives ... a bat could be a weapon . . . a baseball bat is going to take either one perfectly aim strike or there is going to be a beating from hell to kill the person.

without his clothes or a paraffin test it's hard to know what he killed her with. I wouldn't necessarily discount a baseball bat, especially after what Viet Vet said - but where is the bat and are the Sloots missing a bat? Was the bat in Deepak's Honda? and was it Deepak's bat?

or are the ALE hiding the actual knowledge of the murder weapon because it would mean that the Sloots house is the murder house. If the bat is Joran's that means that they have to have been at that house - there's no way around that - since no MB kids say Joran was carrying a baseball bat into CnC. If a bat was used and it came from the Sloot house - it's a closed case and solved.

Joran is reassuring.  If there is no weapon, no bloody clothes....the weapon (bat or whatever) has been taken care of.  Maybe Deepak carried a bat in his car for protection...who knows.  Maybe they were used to going into caves and swinging at flying bats....

Or just typical drug/gang activities...and going into bad neighborhoods...sure, Deepak would carry a bat in his car...thug behavior...

I'm not all the way caught up yet so I apologize if this was mentioned.

Wasn't there something else stolen from the fisherman's huts that night?  Was it a machette?  It was a cutting tool IIRC.  It could also be used as a hitting tool.
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« Reply #842 on: June 08, 2008, 05:34:23 PM »

I read that Kyle has a baby girl and named her Natalee. Congatulations Kyle.
Hello all Even though I don't post much these days, I stll pop in here every day and read.  I don't / can't post from work, well I could ,but we are way too monitored not because they spy on us, but it is a high security thing where everything that goes out could be looked at. It is saved for ten years to boot.   
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Wow, saved for 10 years!  I actually understand this.  If I was an employer I would want my employees concentrating on "real" work, the work they get paid for 

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« Reply #843 on: June 08, 2008, 05:35:15 PM »

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The three Aruban boys had taken advantage of an American.  They looked upon the tourist girls who flocked to their sunny island paradise as theirs for the picking.  But this time they'd picked an American teenager to whom thousands of American parents could easily relate, a young, vulnerable girl who symbolized all of our daughters.  The media kept Natalee's story alive for many months, but the news people never could have done so unless American people were responding.  The media's viewers, listeners, and readers did respond, however, assuring the case a high public profile across the United States and around the world.
     Because Joran, Deepak, and Satish had preyed upon a girl with strong parents who had strong friends, the suspects found themselves in deep water.  The Twitty/Holloway team--justice-seekers all--was in place.  And soon the team would get much larger.
     While we will soon see how Deepak unconsciously joined the team within a few days it also appears that Joran's unconscious mind was pushing him to help as well.  An Aruban who witnessed the tension-filled encounter between the Twitty team and the van der Sloots in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005, at Joran's house, described to me how badly Joran wanted to join the team in his own way.  But as Joran was pressured by Jug and his friends to reveal information about Natalee's whereabouts, Paulus interupted his son four times to prevent him from speaking.
     Each time Joran told his father, " I must speak to them.  I will help in any way I can."  Of course Joran had no conscious intention to help the Twittys and aid the investigation.  His conscious mind was working overtime to obfuscate, rationalize, and avoid being blamed for Natalee's fate.  Nevertheless, his actions and words reveal that, like Deepak, Joran unconsciously wanted to confess. In fact, later on, in several public interviews Joran actually did confess between the lines.
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« Reply #844 on: June 08, 2008, 05:45:58 PM »

PVDS had it all planned out and we heard glimpses of that when Joran was talking about his conversation with Daury. "You know, all is arranged, she is going to be missing, they will go search, but they will not know a thing, they will not know a thing" After the first Night when they did know these creeps were lying,it Didn't matter to Paulus as long as..there was no Corpse there would be no Case..

He already searced Drugs,Alchohol and the affects on Teens on the computer. Also a Lawyers office..Then just shortly before the Family arrived a devestating virus hit the VDS computer and wiped out almost everything at 9:18 PM. I would imagine that is just one of the things PJK were doing before Beth arrived. They knew a American Family would be coming and searching,they just didn't expect it for another 3 days. Luckily for them someone tipped off the Van Der Sloots upon Beths Arrival in Aruba or it would have been a total suprise.

What else were they doing besides erasing everything on that computer on May 30th? Whats the real reason Deepak and Joran left the VDS house before the ALE and Natalee's Family arrived?
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« Reply #845 on: June 08, 2008, 05:57:25 PM »

PVDS had it all planned out and we heard glimpses of that when Joran was talking about his conversation with Daury. "You know, all is arranged, she is going to be missing, they will go search, but they will not know a thing, they will not know a thing" After the first Night when they did know these creeps were lying it Didn't matter to Paulus as long as..there was no Corpse there would be no Case..

He already searced Drugs,Alchohol and the affects on Teens on the computer. Also a Lawyers office..Then just shortly before the Family arrived a devestating virus hit the VDS computer and wiped out almost everything at 9:18 PM. I would imagine that is just one of the things PJK were doing before Beth arrived. I think it's safe to say Beths early arrival shocked the Van Der Soots,even though it appears they were tipped off before the Family showed up at the VDS home.

What else were they doing besides erasing everything on that computer on May 30th? Whats the real reason Deepak and Joran left the VDS house before the ALE and Natalee's Family arrived?
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« Reply #846 on: June 08, 2008, 06:07:39 PM »

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What better way to be tipped off than to be called by one of your friends...a friend indeed!
I wonder who it was? Were they already tipped off before the Jet even arrived? Or did one of the friendly police alert them when Natalee's Family and Charles Croes first notified the police? I don't think they had much notice and they were already erasing everything on that computer. There must have been something mighty important on that Van Der Sloot computer for them to erase everything just 19 hours after Natalee dissapeared. That was very high on there priority list,besides getting there lies together and making sure Natalee dissapeared forever.
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« Reply #847 on: June 08, 2008, 06:11:10 PM »

They were obviously not expecting any family to show up searching so soon. That was why Deepaks car was sighted inside the gate , and the phone tag conversation happened between paulus and joran. It was a fabrication, don't think  joran was casually out gambling until midnight the night after he drugs a girl and she dies from it. I don't believe it for a NY minute.

Bleached I never believed it for one minute either.  I always believed that Joran was close by or hiding in the house with Paulus and Co.  Paulus needed to get them away from his home.  Someone was there or Natalee's body was still there.

Thirty minutes prior to the Twitty's arriving at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's vehicle was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound.

I contend that Joran and Deepak were never at the Radisson or the Wyndham when the Twittys arrived at the VDS doorstep.  I believe that they had just taken off in Deepak's vehicle after being forewarned that the Twittys were on the way ... forewarned while the Twittys were waiting at the police station to be escorted to the VDS' residence.

Considering that the handlers, Alberto Groeneveldt, Claudio Stamper and Eldrith Henriquez, were instrumental in obtaining the info regarding Joran's residence as well as Deepak's vehicle ... I suspect the informer was either Eric Williams whose position of DEA on the Island of Aruba implied an ALE/Paulus connection or ... officers who were on duty at the police station in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005 contacted Dennis Jacobs or Jan vander Straaten.

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Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

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We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

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At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leave.  Jug gets out and goes to the front with the officers.  The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police as to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  

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Deepak wanted to go and play black jack. I didn't know why but he wanted to go to the Wyndham Casino. According to him he had no luck at the Radisson Casino. At approximately 02.30 am, Deepak and myself were walking to his car. He was there in his Honda Civic. The car was parked in the parking lot of the Radisson Hotel. Guido left to take Andre home.

We drove towards the Wyndham Casino. When we were just about to get out of the car, my father called. My father then told me that the police were at my house and that they were looking for a missing girl.

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I wanted to play blackjack. When we arrived at the “Wyndham” during parking Joran received a telephone call on his mobile. He spoke to a person. I heard him speak the name Paul. I assumed he was talking to his father. Because I know his father's name is Paul.

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Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
Description: witness statement

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« Reply #848 on: June 08, 2008, 06:24:23 PM »

"elder van der Sloot at some point expressedsuprise that the Twittys had arrived so quickly, commenting, "How did you get here? There are no flights into a Aruba until Thursday!"  He never imagined'
Why would a man who worked in a non tourist job be aware of that and have it at the forefront of his brain ? Not the first thing you would expect to be said in the situation ? 

How often would his non-tourist job involve tourists?  Did any of his non-work activities involve tourists?

If other females had missed their flight home, and parents called, isn't it possible that various government officials would know that there are no flights in until Thursday?  Perhaps the missing would show up by then?

...go to C&C on ladies night...she'll probably show up...

A well known excuse?
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« Reply #849 on: June 08, 2008, 06:25:27 PM »

They were obviously not expecting any family to show up searching so soon. That was why Deepaks car was sighted inside the gate , and the phone tag conversation happened between paulus and joran. It was a fabrication, don't think  joran was casually out gambling until midnight the night after he drugs a girl and she dies from it. I don't believe it for a NY minute.

Bleached I never believed it for one minute either.  I always believed that Joran was close by or hiding in the house with Paulus and Co.  Paulus needed to get them away from his home.  Someone was there or Natalee's body was still there.

Thirty minutes prior to the Twitty's arriving at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's vehicle was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound.

I contend that Joran and Deepak were never at the Radisson or the Wyndham when the Twittys arrived at the VDS doorstep.  I believe that they had just taken off in Deepak's vehicle after being forewarned that the Twittys were on the way ... forewarned while the Twittys were waiting at the police station to be escorted to the VDS' residence.

Considering that the handlers, Alberto Groeneveldt, Claudio Stamper and Eldrith Henriquez, were instrumental in obtaining the info regarding Joran's residence as well as Deepak's vehicle ... I suspect the informer was either Eric Williams whose position of DEA on the Island of Aruba implied an ALE/Paulus connection or ... officers who were on duty at the police station in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005 contacted Dennis Jacobs or Jan vander Straaten.

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Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leave.  Jug gets out and goes to the front with the officers.  The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police as to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  

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Deepak wanted to go and play black jack. I didn't know why but he wanted to go to the Wyndham Casino. According to him he had no luck at the Radisson Casino. At approximately 02.30 am, Deepak and myself were walking to his car. He was there in his Honda Civic. The car was parked in the parking lot of the Radisson Hotel. Guido left to take Andre home.

We drove towards the Wyndham Casino. When we were just about to get out of the car, my father called. My father then told me that the police were at my house and that they were looking for a missing girl.

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Deepak Kalpoe
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June 11, 2005


I wanted to play blackjack. When we arrived at the “Wyndham” during parking Joran received a telephone call on his mobile. He spoke to a person. I heard him speak the name Paul. I assumed he was talking to his father. Because I know his father's name is Paul.

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Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401


Name: Holloway Group and MR Stamper
Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
Description: witness statement

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« Reply #850 on: June 08, 2008, 06:26:40 PM »

I agree Janet and I believe that was part of the delay waiting for the police..Whoever they contacted at the Noord station probably called Jan Van Der Straten who notified his good buddy PVDS. Deepak and Joran probably were throwing out all incriminating evidence and thats the reason why they both left the house so late.

I believe they were erasing that computer and all its Data because something majorly incriminating was on it and not because they were already tipped off at 9 PM that the Family was on its it way. It was already planned and high on the priority list.

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« Reply #851 on: June 08, 2008, 06:27:00 PM »

Uh oh, looks like BFN is down again 
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« Reply #852 on: June 08, 2008, 06:30:11 PM »

Too many accidents and incidents to mention:

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« Reply #853 on: June 08, 2008, 06:32:52 PM »

Uh oh, looks like BFN is down again 

Not a bandwith problem this time either 
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« Reply #854 on: June 08, 2008, 06:35:53 PM »

I just noticed that Deepak provided statements as early as May 31.  One would think that those very early statements would be in that file that his first attorney, Oomen won't release, because he hasn't been paid.  Wonder what statements they are refusing to turn over "because" of Oomen.....hmmmmm

I am sure Lilly and "Eric Williams" had informed the HI they would need rooms etc. for the people arriving that night.  Paulus knew, that's why they were at the house...he just believed that VanderStraaten would delay them 48 hrs.
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« Reply #855 on: June 08, 2008, 06:40:29 PM »

I agree Janet and I believe that was part of the delay waiting for the police..Whoever they contacted at the Noord station probably called Jan Van Der Straten who notified his good buddy PVDS. Deepak and Joran probably were throwing out all incriminating evidence and thats the reason why they both left the house so late.

I believe they were erasing that computer and all its Data because something majorly incriminating was on it and not because they were already tipped off at 9 PM that the Family was on its it way. It was already planned and high on the priority list.




How were they able to see that Paulass had searched drugs and alcohol, if Joran and Deepak had cleared the hard drive and given the computer a virus?  I think they had porn videos starring local girls and other American tourists on that hard drive.
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« Reply #856 on: June 08, 2008, 06:43:17 PM »


I suspect the handlers. They would be the first informed that a plane was on its way. A few strategically placed calls and voila!  Paulus knows.

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I firmly believe that at this point in time the "powers that be" have not gotten to Alberto Groeneveldt, Claudio Stamper and Eldrith Henriquez and ... they were truly attempting to assist a mother and ste-father in distress.

The Twitty's thought that "Joran" was a tourist from Holland.  However ... the "handler" provided Jug and Beth with the truth ... Joran's Aruban address and ... the description of Deepak's vehicle along with the licence number.  I cannot comprehend why anybody advocating for the VDS would do this.  Think about it ... the handlers' observation of Deepak's vehicle inside the gate of the VDS' compound contradicted Paulus' words that Joran and Deepak were playing in a tournament at the Wyndham ... it contradicts Deepak and Joran's declaraction that they were at the Wyndham.

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Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.
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« Reply #857 on: June 08, 2008, 06:52:34 PM »

can anyone tell me what happened to the young girl lying on the ground on the front page of diario today?  i can't make heads or tails of it.
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« Reply #858 on: June 08, 2008, 06:54:07 PM »

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What better way to be tipped off than to be called by one of your friends...a friend indeed!
I wonder who it was? Were they already tipped off before the Jet even arrived? Or did one of the friendly police alert them when Natalee's Family and Charles Croes first notified the police? I don't think they had much notice and they were already erasing everything on that computer. There must have been something mighty important on that Van Der Sloot computer for them to erase everything just 19 hours after Natalee dissapeared. That was very high on there priority list,besides getting there lies together and making sure Natalee dissapeared forever.

Maybe...video(s)...previous...and current....*something bad* vid(s)....
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« Reply #859 on: June 08, 2008, 06:56:08 PM »

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What better way to be tipped off than to be called by one of your friends...a friend indeed!
I wonder who it was? Were they already tipped off before the Jet even arrived? Or did one of the friendly police alert them when Natalee's Family and Charles Croes first notified the police? I don't think they had much notice and they were already erasing everything on that computer. There must have been something mighty important on that Van Der Sloot computer for them to erase everything just 19 hours after Natalee dissapeared. That was very high on there priority list,besides getting there lies together and making sure Natalee dissapeared forever.


Ahhhh, it's safe to come in. The shoe talk has died down. 


*******, what amazes me in the ineptitude of the NFI lab in Holland and their ability to decipher evidence and competently investigate a case. There is no reason any of that computer material, the communications records, any of that couldn't have been recovered. All we get is a thumbs up that the computer was tampered with and date stamps tampered with, a very loose, non-incriminating smattering of the cell phone and text messages, and a vague laundry list of internet sites visited.

Yet corrupt bitch Karin Jannsen says the whole case will be proven on communications records. NFI must not have gotten the memo.

I am very disappointed in the way the Dutch handled this case. They just didn't give a shit.
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