Natalee Case Discussion #756 6/5 -6/8/08

[katiekatie2u]

  thanks patti your the coolest

I realy enjoy everything you post and most of all  your sweet spirit... sometimes we get those trolls coming in to try to throw us off.. I have seen you in times of diversity handle it with great dignity..
I admire your intellect and the countless hrs you spend researching ...you bring us all great inspiration with all your knowledge and insght..
It realy touched my heart to read what you posted...here and in the forum.. it touched my heart...
I consider you a great friend and a great asset to the monkeys.

together we work  towards Justice for the  family of natalee..

we  cry together
we laugh together
we pray together
we are united.. in on our  endeavor to  see natalees remains returned to America where she belongs...
God bless you...

Katie

[Patti]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

Oh, yes...

Let's ALLl start writing books,

fill every library full as we disect every second in the lives

of the psychopaths, those that conspire to kill Natalee...

while she lies in the sea... rotting.

Is THAT what we have become?

Writers?!?!?

[MuffyBee]

 

[Kermit]

Aren't people usually arrested for tampering with evidence in a police investigation?  I believe that ALE and the Netherlands know exactly what was on that computer and they know exactly how and where Natalee disappeared.  She was just an American tourist though, and they have to protect their own.

Uh, let's pull that out of the quote stack.

Yes they are SS. And they are usually arrested for kidnapping and murder when they confess to disposing of a person when they are sure whether they are alive or not. And they are usually arrested for rape when they admit to molesting a person when they are drunk or have been drugged.

The problem is that the Dutch do not enforce their laws, not on Aruba anyway. These are all Dutch laws on the books, they have confessions and other evidence, but they continue to do nothing about it. Of course it helps when you are the son of a well-connected judge-in-training.

Yep Yep and the mafia protecting your buttinsky.

[San]

Hi Muffy.

[klaasend]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

Oh, yes...

Let's ALLl start writing books,

fill every library full as we disect every second in the lives

of the psychopaths, those that conspire to kill Natalee...

while she lies in the sea... rotting.

Is THAT what we have become?

Writers?!?!?

Patti - while I agree with you that another book is not needed, was it really necessary to make such a big deal out of it?  Why are you all of a sudden posting in the forum when it seems you are here to argue?

[Patti]

thanks patti your the coolest

I realy enjoy everything you post and most of all  your sweet spirit... sometimes we get those trolls coming in to try to throw us off.. I have seen you in times of diversity handle it with great dignity..
I admire your intellect and the countless hrs you spend researching ...you bring us all great inspiration with all your knowledge and insght..
It realy touched my heart to read what you posted...here and in the forum.. it touched my heart...
I consider you a great friend and a great asset to the monkeys.

together we work  towards Justice for the  family of natalee..

we  cry together
we laugh together
we pray together
we are united.. in on our  endeavor to  see natalees remains returned to America where she belongs...
God bless you...

Katie

Thank you, Miss Katie...

and I shall leave the forum with dignity.

.

Boycott Aruba!

[Rob]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

SS you're too kind. I don't know anymore than anyone else - just have a good memory and can recall stuff quickly.

[Patti]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

Oh, yes...

Let's ALLl start writing books,

fill every library full as we disect every second in the lives

of the psychopaths, those that conspire to kill Natalee...

while she lies in the sea... rotting.

Is THAT what we have become?

Writers?!?!?

Patti - while I agree with you that another book is not needed, was it really necessary to make such a big deal out of it?  Why are you all of a sudden posting in the forum when it seems you are here to argue?

No...  I do not wish to argue...

Only to make a point.

[dennisintn]

Who personally collected and sent the samples of the blood to the NFI? Did Karin Janssen,Jan VDS or Dennis Jacobs have anything to do with it? Did Jacobs just sit in the back room in his office and melt his chocolate bar and use that for samples?

No wonder why Janssen stopped talking to Beth and Jug after this. That bitch had no intentions of looking them in the face and trying to BS them.

the three doritos went to the hospital and gave blood or mouth swabs... I guess Beth did the same but that was blood for sure.

And Judge Rick Smid threw everybody's DNA out of court except Beth's.

yep, what rational explanation could there have possibly been? you have formal suspects protected by a crooked judge... and Jansen (supposedly) got the DNA samples without a court order... now did she do that on puropse knowning it would be thrown out or was that the excuse... and once that ruling was made - what was to prevent another court order from collecting the samples? This is deliberate.

ya know Dayhiker, I'm wondering if this was all a ploy to get Beth's DNA - this is 'Rooba were talking about, right?

janssen had a court order, but it was overruled when paulus objected in court.  i think it was about the same time they were asking for court relief to keep the f.b.i. from getting samples to be analyzed by the f.b.i. lab.
dennisintn

[MuffyBee]

Hi Muffy.

Hello San (aka Boom-Boom)...We each in our own way contribute what we can to help find justice for Natalee. No more and no less, whether it be through letter campaigns, emails, fund raising, prayers and etc.  For myself, I appreciate the effort of my fellow monkeys and when I see a monkey being mean to another  and attacking it saddens me and feel it sets us back a step.  Maybe some monkeys need to take a step back and remember why they are here.  To do less in this thread is a disrespect, imo. 

[Dayhiker]

She hid behind a false concept of Dutch law that we had engrained in us from the get-go that the prosecutor cannot talk to the family. Now we know that was a bunch of bullshit, Hans Mos blew that out of the water.

Had we known early on that Karin Jannsen was the currupt prosecutor that she was we could have called her out on it, but Arlene Schippers and the other AHATA liars were feeding everybody a line of crap in the media and on the internet and nobody knew enough about it.

What blows my mind is that she actually received Woman of the year award in Aruba  How in the world could Jossy and JQK not scream at the top of there lungs how corrupt she was? Was she helping out a friend,a country or just following instructions from her superiors?

She's inquiring to the U.S justice Dept about Beths trip to Austria and her relations with Hitler and they vote her woman of the year  PVDS himself couldn't have sabataged this case any better then KJ did.

You know why she got that award *******? Because they have been so corrupt for so long they don't know the difference between right and wrong.

Why was Joran's first thought after Natalee passed out to dispose of her? Why were all their first thoughts (the cops, prosecutor, government officials, judges), why was their very first reflex to help the Van der Sloots cover up the case? It's  because they have all been crooked for so long. They have no integrity, they have no souls, they don't have an honest bone in their bodies. They just look out for their own.

[SS]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

SS you're too kind. I don't know anymore than anyone else - just have a good memory and can recall stuff quickly.

I'm getting the impression that it's a bad idea to expose the Aruba investigation in the form of a book.  Anyway, the knowledge you guys have about this entire case is incredible.

[Tamikosmom]

If Dutch law pertaining to minors not being allowed into establishments to drink and gamble had been inforced maybe there would never have been a Joran/Natalee encounter on the evening of May 29, 2005.

Janet

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John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

[San]

Hi Muffy.

Hello San (aka Boom-Boom)...We each in our own way contribute what we can to help find justice for Natalee. No more and no less, whether it be through letter campaigns, emails, fund raising, prayers and etc.  For myself, I appreciate the effort of my fellow monkeys and when I see a monkey being mean to another  and attacking it saddens me and feel it sets us back a step.  Maybe some monkeys need to take a step back and remember why they are here.  To do less in this thread is a disrespect, imo. 

I agree.



I won't post the other avatar of boom boom  

[Dayhiker]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

SS you're too kind. I don't know anymore than anyone else - just have a good memory and can recall stuff quickly.

I think our purpose is to help the family, that's what drives us. That and a low threshhold for injustice. Rob is right, there are so many people here that have great knowledge. And it's all been gathered through astute learning and determined digging. We have done all this together. Aruba never expected Scared Monkeys would be on their backs so bad, just like they never suspected the media would take such a great interest in the case. They totally underestimated the determination of Americans and those from other countries who know a cover-up when they see one.

[MuffyBee]

Dayhiker ~  an excellent post!

[klaasend]

Hi Muffy.

Hello San (aka Boom-Boom)...We each in our own way contribute what we can to help find justice for Natalee. No more and no less, whether it be through letter campaigns, emails, fund raising, prayers and etc.  For myself, I appreciate the effort of my fellow monkeys and when I see a monkey being mean to another  and attacking it saddens me and feel it sets us back a step.  Maybe some monkeys need to take a step back and remember why they are here.  To do less in this thread is a disrespect, imo. 

Very nicely put..I agree

[San]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

SS you're too kind. I don't know anymore than anyone else - just have a good memory and can recall stuff quickly.

I think our purpose is to help the family, that's what drives us. That and a low threshhold for injustice. Rob is right, there are so many people here that have great knowledge. And it's all been gathered through astute learning and determined digging. We have done all this together. Aruba never expected Scared Monkeys would be on their backs so bad, just like they never suspected the media would take such a great interest in the case. They totally underestimated the determination of Americans and those from other countries who know a cover-up when they see one.

I agree Dayhiker and nicely said.

[Dayhiker]

*******, Rob, and Dayhiker - You three guys are part of a very small group who probably know more about this investigation than anyone else.  Since books seem to be where it's at right now, the three of you should write a book and expose how badly Aruba destroyed this entire investigation.  I would do whatever I could to help you with that endeavor and I have no doubt that everyone else on SM would help as well.

SS you're too kind. I don't know anymore than anyone else - just have a good memory and can recall stuff quickly.

I'm getting the impression that it's a bad idea to expose the Aruba investigation in the form of a book.  Anyway, the knowledge you guys have about this entire case is incredible.

All of the corruption is going to come out. Beth and people like Peter deVries will be behind it as well as the Dutch government which has been badly damaged image-wise by the bastardization of their system by a bunch of selfish crooks. There is no way the current people running Aruba can continue what they have been doing on that island. It's coming.