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June 08, 2008, 12:48:49 PM »
Quote from: Buckeye on June 08, 2008, 12:46:23 PM
Maybe Joran tried to shoot the dog...and missed...
Deepak "they will see that shit" bite marks from the dogs.
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Quote from: Buckeye on June 08, 2008, 12:46:23 PM
Maybe Joran tried to shoot the dog...and missed...
He'd probably hit his mother instead. I betcha he couldn't hit the broadside
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I found the McDonalds Joran talking about
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Quote from: carpe noctem on June 08, 2008, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on June 08, 2008, 12:46:23 PM
Maybe Joran tried to shoot the dog...and missed...
He'd probably hit his mother instead. I betcha he couldn't hit the broadside
of his apartment!
I don't think the Sloot dogs are that intelligent as to go after a person on command. They might go after Joran if they saw a gun pointed at them.
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I'll have the Quarter Pounder, please!
Thank you Joran. drive around.
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Quote from: Rob on June 08, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
SS - one more for ya - this is a little better view.
Rob, there has to be a reason why Paulass volunteered that he had picked them up at
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McDonalds at 4:30 (I think) in the morning. It had to be because he knew that he had been seen in that specific area at the time. Isn't the bank also close by? It was probably at this point that they were moving Natalee out of the video location to wherever they took her. She could still have been alive at this time. Maybe, if McDonalds was open all night, he actually may have stopped for some coffee. Did anyone ever get video from the bank?
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Quote from: carpe noctem on June 08, 2008, 12:55:31 PM
I'll have the Quarter Pounder, please!
Thank you Joran. drive around.
Drive Thru attendant: that will be 750 dollars, will you have anything else today?
Joran: I'd lurve one of those milkshakes with reese pieces, but instead of the reese pieces, can you thrown in a handful of ecstasy tablets? ohh, and before I forget, my mother would like 6 big mac extra value meals suppa duppa sized.
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I have a dumb question...it's dumb because I should know this answer and I don't...the Matty apartments and the VIP/Indo place...are they one and the same? I know those are the apartments that Caps has spoken about, but if you go back we have several locations with apartments that Caps has mentioned...one is very close to the Sloots and this one is close to that pond. Can anyone sort this out for me? TIA.
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Quote from: SS on June 08, 2008, 12:58:17 PM
Rob, there has to be a reason why Paulass volunteered that he had picked them up at
that
McDonalds at 4:30 (I think) in the morning. It had to be because he knew that he had been seen in that specific area at the time. Isn't the bank also close by? It was probably at this point that they were moving Natalee out of the video location to wherever they took her. She could still have been alive at this time. Maybe, if McDonalds was open all night, he actually may have stopped for some coffee. Did anyone ever get video from the bank?
SS, didn't one of the MB kids see him... least that's what I thought. I don't know which kid.
Paulus was denied his compensation because he had two contacts with Natalee - the last one (I think) was when he picked up both Joran AND Natalee at 4 am. All based on wiretaps.
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Quote from: Buckeye on June 08, 2008, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: Rob on June 08, 2008, 12:04:57 PM
weapon to me is not a baseball bat - but more like what Carpe has been harping about for three years - guns - knives ... a bat could be a weapon . . . a baseball bat is going to take either one perfectly aim strike or there is going to be a beating from hell to kill the person.
without his clothes or a paraffin test it's hard to know what he killed her with. I wouldn't necessarily discount a baseball bat, especially after what Viet Vet said - but where is the bat and are the Sloots missing a bat? Was the bat in Deepak's Honda? and was it Deepak's bat?
or are the ALE hiding the actual knowledge of the murder weapon because it would mean that the Sloots house is the murder house. If the bat is Joran's that means that they have to have been at that house -
there's no way around that
- since no MB kids say Joran was carrying a baseball bat into CnC. If a bat was used and it came from the Sloot house - it's a closed case and solved.
Joran is reassuring. If there is no weapon, no bloody clothes....the weapon (bat or whatever) has been taken care of. Maybe Deepak carried a bat in his car for protection...who knows. Maybe they were used to going into caves and swinging at flying bats....
Or just typical drug/gang activities...and going into bad neighborhoods...sure, Deepak would carry a bat in his car...thug behavior...
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CAPS said something about a mystery witness seeing Joran walking down the street all covered with mud. He woke the people's dogs and they were barking. Have we figured out where this happened?
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just noticed there is a junkyard behind the Matty Apartments. That's a terrific place to hide a body.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on June 08, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
I have a dumb question...it's dumb because I should know this answer and I don't...the Matty apartments and the VIP/Indo place...are they one and the same? I know those are the apartments that Caps has spoken about, but if you go back we have several locations with apartments that Caps has mentioned...one is very close to the Sloots and this one is close to that pond. Can anyone sort this out for me? TIA.
LaLa's, I know that it was confusing because he was giving us a lot of pieces of information at that point and it was hard to put it all together. He was talking about Brickel Bay, White House and Matty Apts. My interpretation was that there was a driveway next to the VIP/Indo place that led to apartments behind the building. I think he said that there were six apartments and he didn't know for sure, but thought it was apt. #6. He also mentioned something about not being able to see the apartments from the street. He said that the owners of the VIP/Indo had keys and The News (Renfro?) had keys. It was across the street from the Manserat Pond.
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Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water
ORANJESTAD – As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia. The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions. The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday. “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner.”
The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday. He is just back from a working visit in Colombia. He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia. He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy. Uribe suggested supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama. They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy. A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards. This is an historic moment, said Oduber.
The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year. WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions. The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run. This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island. Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years. Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses. Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water. Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier. Also the deepwater cooling is no option. “We do not have deepwater here.”
Aqualectra-director Anton Casperson cannot judge the Aruban situation, but he considers 40 percent cheaper production costs for Curacao not reasonable. “Gas is indeed a serious option for us; especially from environmental considerations in combination with wind.”
Aqualectra is not in negotiations with the gas suppliers as yet. “The investments are high, and you must earn these back.” Aqualectra is in the process of adjusting the long-term plans as committed in the Plan 2020.
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Quote from: Rob on June 08, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: SS on June 08, 2008, 12:58:17 PM
Rob, there has to be a reason why Paulass volunteered that he had picked them up at
that
McDonalds at 4:30 (I think) in the morning. It had to be because he knew that he had been seen in that specific area at the time. Isn't the bank also close by? It was probably at this point that they were moving Natalee out of the video location to wherever they took her. She could still have been alive at this time. Maybe, if McDonalds was open all night, he actually may have stopped for some coffee. Did anyone ever get video from the bank?
SS, didn't one of the MB kids see him... least that's what I thought. I don't know which kid.
Paulus was denied his compensation because he had two contacts with Natalee - the last one (I think) was when he picked up both Joran AND Natalee at 4 am. All based on wiretaps.
I knew about the wiretaps and that he had admitted being at McDonalds for Joran and Natalee at 4:00 AM, but I didn't know that he had been seen by MB kids. So, we can be pretty sure that Paulass was with 3/4 of a mile of the Matty Apts. and the Manserat Pond at 4:00 AM. Now the questions remaining are whether Joran was in the car with him and was Natalee still alive at this point? She could have been under something in the back of his Jeep or whatever it was.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on June 08, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
I have a dumb question...it's dumb because I should know this answer and I don't...the Matty apartments and the VIP/Indo place...are they one and the same? I know those are the apartments that Caps has spoken about, but if you go back we have several locations with apartments that Caps has mentioned...one is very close to the Sloots and this one is close to that pond. Can anyone sort this out for me? TIA.
LaLa's, I know that it was confusing because he was giving us a lot of pieces of information at that point and it was hard to put it all together. He was talking about Brickel Bay, White House and Matty Apts. My interpretation was that there was a driveway next to the VIP/Indo place that led to apartments behind the building. I think he said that there were six apartments and he didn't know for sure, but thought it was apt. #6. He also mentioned something about not being able to see the apartments from the street. He said that the owners of the VIP/Indo had keys and The News (Renfro?) had keys. It was across the street from the Manserat Pond.
LaLa's, there was also another apartment place that he was talking about and I think it was connected to the clue about "see who answers the phone". I was understanding that piece of information along the lines that it was a realtive of Paulus or Anita who owned these additional apartments because there was something about the owners speaking Dutch. I'm not sure where these apartments were. Later, I decided that he must have meant "see who answers the phone" at the VIP/Indo because I think he later said that it was owned by Kalpoe relatives and someone who looks Hindu will answer the door. I could be wrong, but this is what I think I was understanding.
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Just a quick thought for those looking at k-Swiss shoes...When researching, remember different styles come and go. The shoes you may be looking at in a photo could be a couple of years old. When looking for shoes at the present time, you may get differences.
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now the next logical question is what is the name of this place / complex and who owns it?
Rob, I'm thinking it's the Caribbean Palm Village. There's a whole cast of characters involved with this place.
Map of location of Caribbean Palm Village at this link:
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CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT & MANAGEMENT COMPANY N.V.
Business address
NOORD 43-E, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT & MANAGEMENT COMPANY N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 3 SEPTEMBER 1986
Last amendment in the articles 30 MAY 1989
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
THIS COMPANY IS IN LIQUIDATION BECAUSE OF BANKRUPTCY 15 AUGUST 1995
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
HOOGLAND, FRANK;
Residing in ZEPP LAMPESTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, AMSTERDAM on 14 JANUARY 1929
Nationality AMERICAN
Position PROXY
Effective 10 SEPTEMBER 1990
Authority RESTRICTED
WERLEMAN-DE KORT, DIANA LOUISA
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Residing in SANTA CRUZ 228, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 26 SEPTEMBER 1944
Nationality DUTCH
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Effective 15 MAY 1992
Authority RESTRICTED
CHEMALY, JOHN ALFRED
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Residing in L.G. SMITH BLVD. 111, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 11 MAY 1945
Nationality DUTCH
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Effective 3 SEPTEMBER 1986
Authority FULL
SMIT, RUDOLF ANTONIUS BERNARDUS MARIA
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Born in ARUBA on 11 DECEMBER 1953
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Authority RESTRICTED
PETROCHI, LOURDES MARIETA
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Residing in CATIRI 69, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 21 NOVEMBER 1958
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BROWN, ROY ALEXANDER
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Born in ARUBA on 18 OCTOBER 1941
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CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE II N.V
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Business address
NOORD 43-E, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE II N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 26 JANUARY 1989
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
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CHEMALY, JOHN ALFRED
;
Residing in L.G. SMITH BLVD. 111, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 11 MAY 1945
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 27 JANUARY 1989
Authority FULL
COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE RESORTS
Business address
NOORD 43-E, NOORD
Legal form COOPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name of the COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE RESORTS
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Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation/commencement:
9 DECEMBER 1986
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Born in ARUBA on 8 APRIL 1959
Nationality DUTCH
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MARTIS, EUGENE HAROLD JAMES
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
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===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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