Natalee Case Discussion #756 6/5 -6/8/08

[Tamikosmom]

Jossy Mansur is Beth's hero and ... he is a hero to me .  This man loves Aruba with all his heart but ... he is not blind to the corruption that abounds and ... through the means of his publication has done his upmost to expose the corruption that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen.

Janet

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DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN) The case of Natalee is taking other unexpected twists and very negative ones that are going to tarnish Aruba’s image as a safe destination for tourists and investors.

Joe Mammana has a very impressive criminal past in the U.S. but for one reason or another he has found publicity with different cases which have set his image straight and in the case of Natalee, he is trying to find national attention in the US by using sensationalism via the American media.

The government of Aruba recently declared that they will not permit Joe Mammana to enter Aruba.

Related to his past and criminal record, the government took the decision via the Minister of Justice that they cannot let such a person enter Aruba and about this there was information circulating that this Joe person sent a threatening letter to those who were detained in Aruba related to the case of Natalee.

The government’s actions in this case were correct because they cannot let this type of person come to Aruba and believe that they can come do what they see fit on our island, and to boot, Mammana is one of those who is trying, body and soul, to organize an unjust and unjustifiable boycott against Aruba.

What is strange is that the government refuses to let this ex-criminal enter Aruba, but on the other hand, permits another ex-criminal, Mike Posner who is going soon to the U.S. for cases of law violations, to be able to have a business in Aruba, and enter and leave Aruba whenever he wants.

To make matters worse, the person in question, Mike Posner, has been able to obtain a permit to operate a casino, where anyone who wants to have a casino in Aruba and the majority of other countries in the world have to have a clean criminal record.

Recently, this information has started to circulate in the U.S. as well, and seeing that it hasn’t been many days since via the American media false information was given that Aruba is a sort of den for criminals and even terrorists, the matter of the Aruba casino owner with a criminal past in the US, is going to help those who want to implement a total boycott against Aruba.

Wasn’t it in Mike Posner’s casino that the principal suspect in Natalee’s case, Joran van der Sloot, was sitting gambling, despite the fact that he was underage and that never should he have been permitted to enter the casino?

Some weeks back, other media in Aruba came out in vanguard of the ex-criminal Mike Posner and wrote and article that praised Mike Posner for his supposed achievements in Aruba and what interest they had with him, nobody knows.

Now that the government refuses an American ex-criminal entry to Aruba, the government has to justify the reason why until today they continue to permit a person with such a police record such as Mike Posner, can come to set up a business in Aruba, continue to operate his business in Aruba and come and go whenever he wants.

What sort of handling of Justice is there in Aruba and what impact will this case have in the US when the American media start to question the government of Aruba about this matter?

This matter is pending because there are more questionable things here and also the role that certain politicians in Aruba play and continue to play in this matter.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-casino-owner-with-criminal-past.html

[LilPuma]

I like that idea SS  If any three of us wrote such a book It would be the most explosive writing ever put on paper about this case. Certainly would be a major blow to there precious Tourism and the cover up that was barely ever talked about in any other book or interview. People may actually book trips to Aruba just so they could meet PVDS,Deepak,Julia,Jacobs and others personally 

We could call it Aruba Exposed 

I like that idea.  It would be very informative and show anyone who read it why so many of us inhabitants of this cage KNOW who did it and KNOW who covered it up and DON'T KNOW WHY NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 

What ever happened to Arlene?  Is she dealing blackjack now? 

[wreck]

Let's get to page 50 and put an end to the WORST thread in SM history.

[always 1]

Personal to Klassend-  I am so sorry about that earlier.  I was teasing her about the Christmas Tree.  I didnt mean to upset her.  The other things she had mentioned on the front page and I thought we had "talked " enough that she would know I was teasing.  What can I do to make it right??

[Dayhiker]

Hiker I always thought Aruba twisted, turned & made the rules up to fit the situation. Of course the Mafia still controls the rock. Tighter than ever.

I totally agree. They haven't followed their own laws. They made them up and distorted them as they went along to make sure the Van der Sloots were protected. Any judge who would release a suspect with no conditions with all they had on Joran is just crooked as a dog's hind leg.

[Rob]

goodnight

[San]

Let's get to page 50 and put an end to the WORST thread in SM history.

Well I can think of a few others but I agree let's get to 50 

[klaasend]

Personal to Klassend-  I am so sorry about that earlier.  I was teasing her about the Christmas Tree.  I didnt mean to upset her.  The other things she had mentioned on the front page and I thought we had "talked " enough that she would know I was teasing.  What can I do to make it right??

Don't worry about it and don't discuss it any more in this thread.  If you have her email addy send her an email.  End of subject in this thread please.

[Dayhiker]

Let's get to page 50 and put an end to the WORST thread in SM history.

Ahhhhh, a nice clean cage would be nice, Wreck.

[carpe noctem]

Let's get to page 50 and put an end to the WORST thread in SM history.

ROFL Wreck!!!   

[San]

goodnight

Have a good night Rob.

[Dayhiker]

goodnight

Nite Bro!

[carpe noctem]

goodnight

Night, Rob!

Watch out for the bed bugs, man.

[MuffyBee]

Are we there yet?  Huh?  Huh?  Are we there?!   

[San]

Are we there yet?  Huh?  Huh?  Are we there?!   

Nope.

[wreck]

switch it early!!

[Shell]

Good night Rob (I did my part)

[SS]

All of the corruption is going to come out. Beth and people like Peter deVries will be behind it as well as the Dutch government which has been badly damaged image-wise by the bastardization of their system by a bunch of selfish crooks. There is no way the current people running Aruba can continue what they have been doing on that island. It's coming.

totally agree... right on my amigo 

I know that some feel that the Dutch government has been badly damaged, but I'm not sure.  I sometimes feel like they don't give a damn one way or the other, and they've just pushed Aruba and Natalee Holloway to the side.  Until Patrick and Peter did their video, I'm not sure how many people iin Holland even paid attention to what had happened.  That crappy little island needs to be exposed.

I don't think they gave a damn until Joran's confession on the Peter deVries show. Then their own people got up in arms and they were severely embarrassed. The lackadaisical crap we saw coming out of NFI the first two years pretty much tells you they didn't give a damn. Those cryptic findings they released were so vague and non-committal you have to wonder whether they were in on the cover-up. Go back and read their findings on the Skeeter tape and you'll see what I mean.

How much forensics work do you think our FBI was actually involved with?  I think most of us think that they haven't been involved much at all.  Or, have they been very much involved, but that involvement hasn't been released for public knowledge.  Personally, I am very disappointed in our FBI and our government, for their lack of involvement in this case.  I lived in the Middle East for a few years and for some reason I recall thinking at the time that if anything had happened to me, Uncle Sam would have come riding in on a big white horse.  I now know that I was very naive in those thoughts.

[Observer]

Letting the Mafia run the Casino's and Hotels is like letting a convicted Child Molester run Disneyland. Yet these unsuspecting Americans still watch the promotional videos,spend money in there casinos and sleep in there hotels..It's only a matter of time before something bad happens..Wait..It already did  Well at least they didn't hire a mob attorney or treat this case like the Mob would 

[San]

switch it early!!

Almost there.