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« Reply #480 on: June 11, 2008, 07:50:27 PM »


I'm personally enjoying the the thought of the Rudy Croes' Gold Coast development flushing down the toilet to the tune of 65 million big ones 

That is a great payback!!


Wait til those high air fares kick in here in a few weeks. Ain't going to be just Rudy singing the blues.
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« Reply #481 on: June 11, 2008, 07:51:18 PM »

I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!
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« Reply #482 on: June 11, 2008, 07:52:54 PM »

IIRC from when Vinda's letter first came out,

koei was a cage.

I never heard Claudio changed his statements.  I thought the goof was the other one...
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« Reply #483 on: June 11, 2008, 07:55:55 PM »

IIRC from when Vinda's letter first came out,

koei was a cage.

I never heard Claudio changed his statements.  I thought the goof was the other one...


The only one I heard change it was Alberto 2 1/2 years later after Gielen greased his palm, or something else.
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« Reply #484 on: June 11, 2008, 07:57:07 PM »

I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!

Thank you Bruddah for your interest!!

This idea came to me a long time ago.

I live near the airport here - it was an international airport but we lost the British Airways connection and the US Airways International end to a certain degree also.

As I drive on the highway I see many billboards on the way to the airport.. most are for rental cars and hotels..

if we raised a bunch of money and placed about 10 billboards around the country on the way to the biggest airports that are still servicing Aruba we could make a huge impact... so many people would see those billboards and Natalee.

We have them by the balls - this would knock them out!!

DOWN GOES ARUBA - DOWN GOES ARUBA!!! - to quote Howard Cosell.
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« Reply #485 on: June 11, 2008, 07:57:23 PM »

This is new for me

It is a part  official letter to Karin Janssen
It is in dutch
In this letter the lawyer said that Paul vd Sloot  told   Claudio Eldridge
that he ( Paul)  picked up Joran at 04.00 nearby Mc Donalds .




In the the presents of all the witnesses ( police, DEA, Charles Croes, handlers, Jug and Beth Twitty & Twitty friends) who were congregated at the VDS residence in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005 ... Paulus van der Sloot stated that he was at MacDonald at 4:00 AM on the morning that Natalee went missing.  However ... he later denied that he said this.

Beth and Jug have been claiming this from the getgo that Paulus made this claim and ... the internet trolls have been undermining the Mother and Stepfather of Natalee Holloway in regards to this claim from the getgo.

However ... the Superior Court that reversed Paulus' award for wrongful detention affirms Jug and Beth's words in the judgement against Paulus ... rendering a decision that implied that the detention of Paulus van der Sloot warranted.

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The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.


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TWITTY: ...... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html
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« Reply #486 on: June 11, 2008, 07:57:35 PM »

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It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
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BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
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« Reply #487 on: June 11, 2008, 07:57:58 PM »

IIRC from when Vinda's letter first came out,

koei was a cage.

I never heard Claudio changed his statements.  I thought the goof was the other one...

Buckeye, I think you're right, it is cage. Thank you.
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« Reply #488 on: June 11, 2008, 07:58:05 PM »


They are doing that to piss us off. There is a sect of Dutchies over

there that cannot stand Americans. They play with themselves daily

thinking about ways to make Joran look even more like the FU AMERICA!

poster child.


We are all reasonable, and know that this whole thing has only ever been

about Natalee and the injustices committed against her.

However, some of them apparently do not give a chit... and are having

the time of their lives toying with us.

For their sake, I hope it works for them!!! I hope someone toe tags the little SOB.


That would probably be best for everyone in all countries involved!   

While they are on a roll... give some "love" to Paulus and the Kalpoes too.


Look at it this way Carpe, they're digging Aruba a deeper grave. They probably don't care about them either but every time this happens Goosedick Joran just makes them look even worse. If they're trying to piss me off it backfired. I delight in seeing Joran bring the island down.



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I couldn't agree more.



...and I have just added to my joke file... the term "GOOSEDICK."    

giving Dayhiker all the proper credits, ofcourse!!!!
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« Reply #489 on: June 11, 2008, 08:07:35 PM »

WHY, OFCOURSE.


> All eyes!
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« Reply #490 on: June 11, 2008, 08:08:29 PM »

OOPS!

That last post was in reference to Rob and his BIG IMPACT ideas. Sorry!
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« Reply #491 on: June 11, 2008, 08:11:36 PM »

dennis tnin
It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret  
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow




Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

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arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


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Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

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They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070
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« Reply #492 on: June 11, 2008, 08:13:03 PM »

I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!

Thank you Bruddah for your interest!!

This idea came to me a long time ago.

I live near the airport here - it was an international airport but we lost the British Airways connection and the US Airways International end to a certain degree also.

As I drive on the highway I see many billboards on the way to the airport.. most are for rental cars and hotels..

if we raised a bunch of money and placed about 10 billboards around the country on the way to the biggest airports that are still servicing Aruba we could make a huge impact... so many people would see those billboards and Natalee.

We have them by the balls - this would knock them out!!

DOWN GOES ARUBA - DOWN GOES ARUBA!!! - to quote Howard Cosell.


Great idea from the heart, Rob. ...but when I run it through my small brain

I worry about people defacing them (billboards), and screwing around with them....


Kind of like when they aceholes planted the "shoes"...

Ya know? Aruba, is a country full of heartless douchbags.


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« Reply #493 on: June 11, 2008, 08:13:58 PM »

I wish I would of been in that court room the day PVDS was bitchslapped by Nico Jorg 



Jörg: political affairs transfer

Caribbean editors

28-05-2007


Nico Jörg, acting Attorney General of Aruba.

picture: Jos de Roo
The Attorney-General (PG) of another country would actually the knot should settle the matter or the Public Ministry in politically sensitive cases are prosecuted. That takes Nico Jörg, the acting Attorney-General of Aruba.

If there is now an investigation into alleged wrongdoing by an Aruban Minister, the Attorney General of Aruba decide whether the politician may or may not be prosecuted. What he decides, people always think that his choice is politically motivated: "It is believed that double standards is measured, that politicians are above the law or that there should be settled with old politicians." This will help prevent as the decision on whether or not prosecution of a politician on Aruba, would be taken by the PG example of Curacao.

Jörg familiar examples from the practice, which was suggested that the Public Ministry continued commissioned by the government. "The fact that the Minister of Justice has the power to recommend to the Public Ministry can reproach in the creation." The PG's file are doing well, he says: "We have our own professionalism. But it is also about the feelings among the people that justice in a fair and objective manner." In short, the justice of the people will be affected if doubts arise.

File send
The solution, according to the PG Jörg power to give to someone else to be appointed by the decision. This can be done in the case Aruban lawyer or a PG-General in Curacao or a Chief Justice in the Netherlands. "In any case someone with a lot of experience." Whether the decision except the research itself in politically sensitive cases should be outsourced, let Jörg in the middle: "That depends on it. It is also possible that the Landsrecherche sending the dossier to Willemstad or Den Haag."

The Acting PG expected that the population in this way the confidence in the law reserves. The Minister of Justice in his vision would also lose the power to issue orders to the Attorney-General, the political impact disappears. Jörg find his ideas no sign of weakness: "The United States has such a system with" special prosecutors "completely established. It strengthens the feeling that issues not covered up and figuring out by someone who has no interest in any decision whatsoever. "

A procedure such as Jörg advocates may soon be introduced, he thinks, because the PG is already authorized in another part of the Kingdom to act. "I would think that this is a small extension of those powers. In any case you can ask him, and promise that you'll follow his decision."

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« Reply #494 on: June 11, 2008, 08:16:36 PM »

I think Claudio's name is Stamper or something like that.  Alberto is the one that has been  reinventing the first week.
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« Reply #495 on: June 11, 2008, 08:19:04 PM »

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It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret  
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow




Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

Janet

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arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

Page 2

They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070

I think it is a kind of translation 
Aruba girl works for
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« Reply #496 on: June 11, 2008, 08:19:09 PM »

I think Claudio's name is Stamper or something like that.  Alberto is the one that has been  reinventing the first week.

Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge..Yes Alberto is the one they are saying has a criminal record.
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« Reply #497 on: June 11, 2008, 08:20:27 PM »

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It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
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BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
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Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

Janet

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arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

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They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070


I do not think Beth said that Eric Williams was a friend of the family...I have never ever heard that...she does not say that in her book.  She did not say that when I asked her about him at one of her book signings...never heard that.

If the police just woke you from a sound sleep...and your son lived in a separate area which requires you to walk to his room...how would he know immediately that Joran was not there without checking first? 

That entire document makes me go hmmmm for a lot of reasons.
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« Reply #498 on: June 11, 2008, 08:30:07 PM »


mom, thank you very much.  lots of food for thought presented there.  i wonder if the "cage" referred to would be a fish cage like the one missing or did they have something else in mind like a "prisoner" cage.
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« Reply #499 on: June 11, 2008, 08:33:36 PM »

The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!" 
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