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« Reply #500 on: June 11, 2008, 08:35:37 PM »

Oh my GOD

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )





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« Reply #501 on: June 11, 2008, 08:37:29 PM »

I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

I agree it's him - no doubt in my mind


He's getting his old man's spare tire awfully early, Rob. Doesn't say much for Paulus' manhood either, LOL!!!

Maybe that is the reason he needs to prove something and seems, despite what outwardly is perceived as a playboy appearance he despises women. It all stems from his
ehhh hemmm miniature stature and ridicule he has received in the past. 
So in other words.....he has a itsy bitsy teenie weenie.
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« Reply #502 on: June 11, 2008, 08:42:35 PM »

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It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
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BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
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Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

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arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

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They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070


I do not think Beth said that Eric Williams was a friend of the family...I have never ever heard that...she does not say that in her book.  She did not say that when I asked her about him at one of her book signings...never heard that.

If the police just woke you from a sound sleep...and your son lived in a separate area which requires you to walk to his room...how would he know immediately that Joran was not there without checking first? 

That entire document makes me go hmmmm for a lot of reasons.

Also ... the names of the handlers are incorrect.

Janet

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1. Eldrith Henriquez
2. Claudio Stamper
3. Alberto Groeneveldt



Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401


Name: Eldrith Coromoto Lucia Henriquez
Date: 19 June 2005 / 15:45
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Writer/Initiator. Giovanni Heyliger/ Josmar Koolman
Description: witness statement by an Airport worker and also accompanied the
Holloways/Twittys to the Van der Sloot home

Name: Claudio Romeo Adonis Stamper
Date: 19 June 2005 / 14:45
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Julaika Rosel
Description: witness statement by a Universal Aviation worker

Name: Alberto Ramon Groeneveldt
Date: 19 June 2005 / 13:45
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Josmar Koolman & Giovanni Chelavier
Description: witness statement
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« Reply #503 on: June 11, 2008, 08:44:42 PM »

guys, I need a favor, please help if you can

Thank you to those that got an email from me.

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TO: dateline@nbcuni.com

Dear Dateline:

Thank you, in advance, for review of this email.
 
Could you please consider reporting the case of a missing young woman, Jessica Edith Louise Foster?
Her parents have been searching for her desperately. They truly believe she is in some type of underground kidnapping human trafficking ring.
She would NEVER not make contact with her parents, sisters, or friends. We are pleading with the media to please bring her case to primetime.
She has been featured on the Montel Show (not counting reruns) in May 2007 with a second show coming up in July 2008, Geraldo At Large (April) and Maury Povich (October) back in 2006 when she first went "missing"...however, the family needs primetime coverage.

Please view her website for more information on her missing case: www.jessiefoster.ca - thank you.
You may contact her mother directly at: (Jessie's Mom) Glendene Grant at phone: (250) 374-6137.


Please, please consider a placement for her on your broadcasts.



Respectfully,

(sign your name, address, phone in order for them to verify)
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« Reply #504 on: June 11, 2008, 08:46:27 PM »

Great idea from the heart, Rob. ...but when I run it through my small brain

I worry about people defacing them (billboards), and screwing around with them....


Kind of like when they aceholes planted the "shoes"...

Ya know? Aruba, is a country full of heartless douchbags.



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« Reply #505 on: June 11, 2008, 08:53:23 PM »

janet

Beth also use the name Claudio Eldridge

Beth Twitty Birmingham Meeting - Oct. 28/06 24.
Was Deepak's car seen inside the VDS compound?
Beth: Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/preferential-treatment-paulus-van-der_5989.html
 
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« Reply #506 on: June 11, 2008, 08:55:58 PM »

Destiny - the person that has the phone number is looking for it...seems this person keeps files  we didn't forget you 

we'll get it yet!!
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« Reply #507 on: June 11, 2008, 08:58:49 PM »

The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!" 

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always
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« Reply #508 on: June 11, 2008, 08:59:57 PM »

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Beth also use the name Claudio Eldridge

Beth Twitty Birmingham Meeting - Oct. 28/06 24.
Was Deepak's car seen inside the VDS compound?
Beth: Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/preferential-treatment-paulus-van-der_5989.html
 

I cannot figure it out.

 

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« Reply #509 on: June 11, 2008, 09:00:51 PM »

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Aruba seeks Netherlands' help in retaining highly-educated
 
De Volkskrant reports that bailiffs on the Caribbean island of Aruba confiscate the property of between 20 and 25 Arubans weekly because they cannot pay their student loans. 

Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The exchange rate for the Aruban florin, which is pegged to the declining dollar, has risen from 1.60 to EUR 1 in 2001 to 2.75 florins today, making it impossible to repay student loans on an average salary.

De Volkskrant writes that the Aruban People's Party has sent an urgent message to Dutch Education Minister Ronald Plasterk asking that he think of a solution before another 300 Arubans leave in August to study at Dutch universities.

Since it is impossible to repay the loans on an Aruban salary, "graduates are more or less forced to find a job in the Netherlands". This means that Aruba will lose more highly-educated people.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/RNW-Press-Review_-Wednesday-11-June-2008.html
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« Reply #510 on: June 11, 2008, 09:01:16 PM »

The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!" 

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always


Rob,

American or Aruban billboards? American would be great, but expensive.
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« Reply #511 on: June 11, 2008, 09:03:09 PM »

Oh my GOD

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )


I'm sorry to be robo posting, but I have been saying forever that Sambo is corrupt... he's also involved to the nth degree in Max's case.

and Zaandam says specifically that the members of the corps that have / had his qualifications were not qualified.
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« Reply #512 on: June 11, 2008, 09:03:53 PM »

Rob,

Got the email.... will do it.
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« Reply #513 on: June 11, 2008, 09:05:55 PM »

The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!" 

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always
Hey, I think it is a great idea to get their attention!!! At least here at DFW, the airport signs are only seen by people that are already going to the airport since it so isolated. Any heavy traffic area would work though!!
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« Reply #514 on: June 11, 2008, 09:06:03 PM »

Could it be that Beth was had the names written down incorrectly in her journal and ... that is the reason her attorney got the names wrong in the letter to Karin Janssen and ... why she got the names wrong in her address at the Birmingham meeting.

 

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1. Eldrith Henriquez
2. Claudio Stamper
3. Alberto Groeneveldt



Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401


Name: Eldrith Coromoto Lucia Henriquez
Date: 19 June 2005 / 15:45
46
Writer/Initiator. Giovanni Heyliger/ Josmar Koolman
Description: witness statement by an Airport worker and also accompanied the
Holloways/Twittys to the Van der Sloot home

Name: Claudio Romeo Adonis Stamper
Date: 19 June 2005 / 14:45
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Julaika Rosel
Description: witness statement by a Universal Aviation worker

Name: Alberto Ramon Groeneveldt
Date: 19 June 2005 / 13:45
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Josmar Koolman & Giovanni Chelavier
Description: witness statement

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« Reply #515 on: June 11, 2008, 09:07:14 PM »

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Translation posted at RU by Arubagirl today:

Article about remarks from Advocate General made about the case

Just in case anybody's interested.

Advocate General Mr. Jorg Questioned Attacks of Mr. Van Der Sloot Against Public Ministery [Department of Justice]
In front of plenty of lawyers in the courtroom

Oranjestad - Something unusual happened Tuesday morning during the swearing-in ceremony of the three Scribes to the Court who are Maikel Oduber, Navio Valdez and Edwin de Weever and the three lawyers mr. Foy, mr. Vis and mr. Bryson.

What happened is that Advocate General mr. Jorg, in front of all the lawyers present, among them mr. Van Der Sloot as well, decided to question the statement of Mr. Van Der Sloot that was published in Amigoe. The reaction of Mr. Jorg was a surprise to all thouse present and especially to mr. Van Der Sloot himself.

Bon Dia Aruba was present when mr. Jorg was to give a speech related to the lawyers that had been sworn in. At a certain moment the speech changed to the subject about the relationship between advocacy and the Department of Justice.

Mr. Jorg expressed himself in a very diplomatic way, but to everybody present it was very clear that he was referring to mr. Van Der Sloot. He questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot went to look for publicity by giving a statement to Amigoe and make certain statements that mr. Jorg never experienced. He refers here to the fact that lawyers and prosecutors publicly refer to each other as idiots. Mr. Jorg said that he hopes that this not become a habit. He said that he thinks we won't come very far by insulting each other. He made a call to change these actions to a better way to relate to each other.

Mr. Jorg also questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot attacked the Department of Justice for being out of balance, without management, untrustworthy and without any kind of ethics. Mr. Jorg remarked that these are large words but they demand arguments to show this as well. He finds that the argument cannot only consist of comparing the importance of finding the missing young lady against "all sorts of idiocy" from the other side. Mr. Jorg said that he can't unattach finding the young lady from the search for those people who are responsible for her disappearance. Especially when certain people are contradicting themselves and others about their role around the crucial moments during the disappearance.

Mr. Jorg continued to say that what he finds very strange is that on one hand the magistrates of the Department of Justice get questioned but on the other hand the Police get accused of not "have followed through" with the interrogation of a suspect. Mr. Jorg referred to the fact that in the Code of Criminal Procedings, a suspect has the right to remain silent. If this
is violated, then the case can even appear in front of the European Human Rights court. He thinks this observation [referring to the police] is absurd.

He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

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« Reply #516 on: June 11, 2008, 09:07:22 PM »

Billboard Design:


A GIANT PIC OF OUR GIRL WITH A HUGE ARUBA OVER HER.

STAMP IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE (at an angle, in huge red letters)

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE STILL UNSOLVED!
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« Reply #517 on: June 11, 2008, 09:12:49 PM »

Rob,

American or Aruban billboards? American would be great, but expensive.
Carpe, I have no idea what it would cost... I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap and could be several thousand dollars per billboard.

it's just an idea.. that's all

I was thinking American
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« Reply #518 on: June 11, 2008, 09:13:15 PM »

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Aruba seeks Netherlands' help in retaining highly-educated
 
De Volkskrant reports that bailiffs on the Caribbean island of Aruba confiscate the property of between 20 and 25 Arubans weekly because they cannot pay their student loans. 

Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The exchange rate for the Aruban florin, which is pegged to the declining dollar, has risen from 1.60 to EUR 1 in 2001 to 2.75 florins today, making it impossible to repay student loans on an average salary.

De Volkskrant writes that the Aruban People's Party has sent an urgent message to Dutch Education Minister Ronald Plasterk asking that he think of a solution before another 300 Arubans leave in August to study at Dutch universities.

Since it is impossible to repay the loans on an Aruban salary, "graduates are more or less forced to find a job in the Netherlands". This means that Aruba will lose more highly-educated people.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/RNW-Press-Review_-Wednesday-11-June-2008.html

isn't aruba always bragging about having the highest per capita income in the caribbean?
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« Reply #519 on: June 11, 2008, 09:15:09 PM »

mea culpa -

yes Buckeye is right and kicking my ass everyday this week so far..

It is Groenveldt - not Eldridge.

But it still makes the point that I would have seen his name in the papers and I have not.

anyone?
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