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« Reply #220 on: June 10, 2008, 11:29:26 AM »

This shot here shows Paulus' whole face.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

What is that hanging out of his left sleeve--a tie, a belt?
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« Reply #221 on: June 10, 2008, 11:56:03 AM »

This shot here shows Paulus' whole face.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

Thanks Bearlyhere.

Beth knows the truth.  In all probability ... after images of Paulus appeared in the media ... the Mountain Brook students confirmed that Paulus was at the black jack table with them on the evening of May 29, 2005.

Think about it ... Beth's words to Rita Cosby regarding a Paulus/Natalee encounter occurred six months prior to the casino video recording revealing Natalee at the Black Jack table conversing with an "older" man.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005


HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006


DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)
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« Reply #222 on: June 10, 2008, 11:57:26 AM »


So Steve Croes got a request from ale to come down and make a statement?Was this his first statement and if so....how did the ale know Steve had anything to state?

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Deepak Kalpoe declared in his suspect statement of June 9, 2005 ... that Steve Croes had witness Natalee being returned to the Holiday Inn at 2:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Obviously ... Steve Croes was involved to some capacity in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

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ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities in Aruba on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway (search), officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot (search ), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

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Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told the AP Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

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June 9, 2005


I have to inform you that I was contacted a few days ago by a boy named Steve. Steve said to me that he saw us on May 30th 2005 when we dropped the girl off in the nightly hours. Steve's phone number is REMOVED.

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June 10, 2005


You are telling me that I made a statement about a Steve yesterday and now you are asking me who Steve is. Steve is a customer who comes to my place of work to internet.

To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

To your question as to where Steve was to have been able to see to see all of this, I can state the following. I didn't ask him where he was in order to have seen all of this. He also told me that he had not been into work that day. He instead had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was in two minds about going to the police because he feared loosing his job.

To your question as to how I got hold of his mobile phone number, I can state the following. I had asked him for his number and had told him that I would give it to the police if I would get into trouble so that they could call him.

To your question as to how it is possible that I state that Steve was not sure whether he should go to the police or not because he was afraid to loose his job, but that on the night in question, he did go to a public place like "Carlos & Charlies" and on top of that gave me his phone number so that he now can be sent for to testify, I can state the following. You should ask him.

To your question whether Steve knows Joran, I can state the following. Steve does not know Joran.

To your question whether Steve knows my brother, I can state the following.

To your question whether I have spoken to my brother about Steve, I can state the following. I have spoken to everybody about Steve, with my mother, Satish, Joran and Joran's parents.

To your question whether I gave all of them Steve's mobile phone number, I can state the following. No, I kept the number to myself.


Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.
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« Reply #223 on: June 10, 2008, 12:15:37 PM »


Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

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« Reply #224 on: June 10, 2008, 12:20:56 PM »

I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes. 
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« Reply #225 on: June 10, 2008, 12:25:02 PM »

OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
1st one is perfect for Janet:




This one for anyone Smile


See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?





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« Reply #226 on: June 10, 2008, 12:28:49 PM »


Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet
Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.
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« Reply #227 on: June 10, 2008, 12:32:33 PM »

OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?






Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
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« Reply #228 on: June 10, 2008, 12:33:17 PM »


Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet
Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.

After the first 10 days, Jaansen, et al had ALREADY lied so much themselves that they could not send Joran away for a few years without sending THEMSELVES away for even longer!!
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« Reply #229 on: June 10, 2008, 12:38:31 PM »


Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet
Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.

After the first 10 days, Jaansen, et al had ALREADY lied so much themselves that they could not send Joran away for a few years without sending THEMSELVES away for even longer!!
True Wreck but I think Beth and Dave would have settled for justice for Natalee and having Natalee's body to take home IF this was all settled by june 10th 2005.They might have overlooked those dumb asses within ale and government and justice department at the time especially when you compare it to how it seems to be going NOW.
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« Reply #230 on: June 10, 2008, 12:52:14 PM »

OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?






Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
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Karma ... thank you for sharing.

Hey ... did you notice the image of Ducky and Tamikosmom on the avatar that Klaas gave me shortly after I took up residence in the cage.  Do you not think that we both look absolutely adorable?

 

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« Reply #231 on: June 10, 2008, 01:03:15 PM »

I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes. 

That is what I remember.
Alex Mathews had won the bid on the Digicel rights and they set him up
because you cannot have a contract with a criminal record.
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« Reply #232 on: June 10, 2008, 01:05:17 PM »

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!

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« Reply #233 on: June 10, 2008, 01:31:45 PM »

Magnolia, I also saw that Charles Croes was really "Gayn Betico Croes" do you know that to be true?
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« Reply #234 on: June 10, 2008, 01:48:12 PM »

Magnolia, I also saw that Charles Croes was really "Gayn Betico Croes" do you know that to be true?

I just fouind the post you may be referring to at crimelibrary and the way it reads, I believe the poster was referring to the main street where CC's Hugo Boss boutique was, not CC.
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« Reply #235 on: June 10, 2008, 02:05:35 PM »

More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
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Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 
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« Reply #236 on: June 10, 2008, 02:09:54 PM »

More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
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Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe
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« Reply #237 on: June 10, 2008, 02:15:30 PM »

OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?






Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
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Karma ... thank you for sharing.

Hey ... did you notice the image of Ducky and Tamikosmom on the avatar that Klaas gave me shortly after I took up residence in the cage.  Do you not think that we both look absolutely adorable?

 

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lol....I did notice,that's why I suggested the above image would be perfect for you.Yes,you are both adorable.
 
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« Reply #238 on: June 10, 2008, 02:16:55 PM »

More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
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Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe

   
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« Reply #239 on: June 10, 2008, 03:03:29 PM »

I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes. 

That is what I remember.
Alex Mathews had won the bid on the Digicel rights and they set him up
because you cannot have a contract with a criminal record.



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