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« Reply #220 on: June 15, 2008, 11:06:49 AM »

What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.



Buckeye - I haven't been here since the very beginning.  Did you know Natalee?
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« Reply #221 on: June 15, 2008, 11:19:30 AM »

What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



Whatley:

On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

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During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

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« Reply #222 on: June 15, 2008, 11:39:01 AM »

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« Reply #223 on: June 15, 2008, 12:16:51 PM »

Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 




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« Reply #224 on: June 15, 2008, 12:16:59 PM »

What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



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On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

Lee Broughton :

During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838



bb ... when you consider the above quotes you provided as well as Dave's words ... I believe that Natalee Holloway may have been inebriated.

Nevertheless ... I do believe that the last drink which Joran bought for her prior from that little bar in the back of Carlos and Charlies... was spiked with a date rape drug and ... the combination ...

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MACCALLUM: When you listen to some of the details, you know, some pretty graphic details about what was going on in that bar he claimed that he was doing jelly shots, which I guess you sort of drink off somebody's stomach as they lay on the bar, all sorts of things about your daughter and what was going on there. What I'm curious about is did any of those connect with what her friends told you, who were also there in the bar with her that night?

HOLLOWAY: I think they, all the kids were there for, of course, their high school graduation, and they were all having a good time. And you know, I understand that some of that is true.


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Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time.[/color] I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.

After that Natalee, Satish and myself walked outside because Carlos & Charlies was almost empty.


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In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

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« Reply #225 on: June 15, 2008, 12:18:18 PM »

What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.



Buckeye - I haven't been here since the very beginning.  Did you know Natalee?

No. I just saw the videos and pictures from that day/night.
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« Reply #226 on: June 15, 2008, 12:19:36 PM »

What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



Whatley:

On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

Lee Broughton :

During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

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You are probably correct.  I only remembered the Sunday morning drinking.
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« Reply #227 on: June 15, 2008, 12:20:11 PM »

San ... could you please take out all that red highlight from the last two quotes of my last post.

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« Reply #228 on: June 15, 2008, 12:20:30 PM »

Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 




In wich story helen ?


In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763
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« Reply #229 on: June 15, 2008, 12:24:59 PM »

Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 




In wich story helen ?


In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763

thank you Klaas   >> safe there in Aruba !!!pffft 
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« Reply #230 on: June 15, 2008, 12:25:57 PM »

KLAAS...BIG LOAD OF BANANAS...

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« Reply #231 on: June 15, 2008, 12:42:05 PM »

Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.
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« Reply #232 on: June 15, 2008, 12:47:18 PM »

Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 

true enough!  honestly bearlythere....

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough



One has to test specifically for this substance. I'm sure Aruba knows that and conveniently lost the specimen bottle.
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« Reply #233 on: June 15, 2008, 12:49:35 PM »

Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.

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« Reply #234 on: June 15, 2008, 12:51:45 PM »

I was thinking about Joran's nudie shot and how the judge threw out his DNA.  Most likely, Paulus didn't want anyone finding out about Joran's XXY syndrome and his tiny beans and franks.


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« Reply #235 on: June 15, 2008, 12:54:44 PM »

Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 




In wich story helen ?


In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763

thank you Klaas   >> safe there in Aruba !!!pffft 

Good day Johan,

As Klaas said, we learned that an American tourist was raped by local men.  Apparently, there were three of them and they took pictures and or filmed the assault.

According the ALE, the woman was very drunk, behaving crazily, left the bar on her own free will because she wanted to have consensual sex with the three men on the beach.  She only became upset when they began to photograph the event.  She reported this to the police "after the fact", according to police.  She was taken to a hospital.

The ALE is discouraging her from filing charges.

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Unbelievable!



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« Reply #236 on: June 15, 2008, 01:00:07 PM »

Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.



Klaas, you are sooo correct. I believe that there is an Aruban male mentality where they believe that women tourists from the US actually arrive on that crappy island lusting after the male locals.  They live in a fantasy world.
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« Reply #237 on: June 15, 2008, 01:07:42 PM »

I was reading something interesting today about crime in the Caribbean. Someone posted information showing that the Caribbean has the highest crime rate in the world.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world/134742-caribbean-has-highest-crime-rate-world.html

Here is a statement regarding types of crime there:

According to a new report by the World Bank and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Crime, Violence and Development : Trends, costs and Policy Options in the Caribbean, murder rates in the Caribbean are higher than in any other region of the world, and assault ratesincluding rape--are significantly above the world average.

(Latin America and Caribbean - Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean)


One interesting comment at the site was this one:

Hello... I don't know about violent crime BUT, theft is HUGE! We travel a lot and have been to numerous places in the carribean. EVERY time we go there they manage to creatively get away with something from us. The worst though, and the reason I'm writing is to get it out there how dastardly they are.
Our last trip to Curacao and Aruba cost us more than we spent ourselves.
The resturants or merchants are now selling your credit card numbers to front companys (they are even making card copies!) and maxing out your card limit before you even get home from your trip. USAA military banking has been hit hard recently. If you go to the carribean, call your bank and let them know so, they can flag any high charges before they rack up your card. UGH... They took ours for $20,000. Most cards are insured which is why we use it traveling but ultimately we all pay for it. The Carribean is beautiful, no doubt. But, I think the next time I go back would only be to watch a hanging. Investigations are underway and I'm hopeful they find this ring.
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« Reply #238 on: June 15, 2008, 01:13:21 PM »

Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).
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« Reply #239 on: June 15, 2008, 01:25:12 PM »

Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

not shocked at all..

the story has to get more and more deviant each and every-time. Otherwise people will actually believe that tourists are being drugged and raped.

the ALE got their talking points out.

They probably have a more ludicrous story for the next victim already cooked up. And most likely would have used this version on the girl that was missing from the HI and returned to her mother's room.

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