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« Reply #500 on: June 16, 2008, 08:11:36 PM »

I'm going to take a little break..BBL tonight...but...before I go...a Song For Rob!

Sung to the tune of an old song...recorded by The Singing Nun...name of song...*Little Boxes on the Hillside*...for You Rob Wink

Little white vans on Aruba
little white vans moving bodies 'round.
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

There's a white one and a white one
and then there's a whiter one
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

Little white vans moving bodies
little white van moving evidence
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same

and they all look just the same
and they all look just the same.

 
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« Reply #501 on: June 16, 2008, 08:12:13 PM »

Anyone we know up on the hill?


That does look like Fat Boy Jacobs up on the hill doing his best Pale Rider imitation. Unfortunately in his case he weighs more than five Clint Eastwoods and he's got more chins that an Chinese phonebook.
Hard to tell,Jacobs may be even bigger then that guy    He seems kinda short and dark from that picture..lol

Just another day in Aruba today and the guy found floating naked with a rope around him is probably remnants of the 1700+kilos that was confiscated in the last 2 weeks. When dealing with millions of dollars in cocaine and heroin and dealing with ruthless cartels,people do get murdered and often. If your a tourist in Aruba and think you are far away from all the activity in Colombia then you are kidding yourself. Although the next and last thing we will probably hear about this guy is that he drowned or overdosed and it was a simple accident. Nothing bad can happen to there precious tourism and that means no rapes,murders or negative press. Aruba is a safe island 
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« Reply #502 on: June 16, 2008, 08:35:41 PM »

I'm going to take a little break..BBL tonight...but...before I go...a Song For Rob!

Sung to the tune of an old song...recorded by The Singing Nun...name of song...*Little Boxes on the Hillside*...for You Rob Wink

Little white vans on Aruba
little white vans moving bodies 'round.
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

There's a white one and a white one
and then there's a whiter one
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

Little white vans moving bodies
little white van moving evidence
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same

and they all look just the same
and they all look just the same.

 

thank you Destiny

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« Reply #503 on: June 16, 2008, 08:51:39 PM »

Interresting post by fierljepper at BFN:

Just arrived in the US for work and had some time to ponder the case from 30000 feet.

How about the following scenario:

* K2 drop off Joran and Natalee at the Palm beach around 1:40-150
* Natalee collapses and appears to have died around 2:00
* Joran panics and desperately needs help. He runs to the HI and picks up a hotel phone near the pool. He contacts Guido Wever via the HI hotel phone (e.g. "could you connect me through to mr Wever in the casino please") 2:15
* Joran walks/jogs back to Natalee and shortly after that Guido arrives by car 2:30
* In the mean time he is so concerned about an alibi that he calls Deepak to tell him that he's walking home 2:26-2:34. Joran actually can't find his shoes in the dark and needs to say that he is walking barefoot.
* They load Natalee's body in the car, drive to the Salinja area and park their car to discuss next steps. Their car is spotted by the Gardener around 2:45-2:50
* Guido drops Joran off at his house around 3:09
* Guido disposes of the body and returns to Joran's apartment to explain what happened they agree on an alibi if necessary.

So, the "boat" is a "car" and Guido has one. They meet eachother the next day at the tennis club and in the casino. Surprisingly they even drive back together to Joran's house the night of the 30h to "pick up some cash". Plenty of time to chat and align stories. Due to the shrewd incrimination of the K2 by Joran, everybody is focused on whether Deepak and Joran were suspiciously close the evening of the 30th (they weren't), whereas Joran and Guido were (P.S. also note that Guido is the only one in Joran's book with a fake name - Marco D. - and Joran spends in DZNH surprisingly few words on Guido's arrest in 2006 and a lot on GVC).

Guido quits his job a few days later and return to NL.
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« Reply #504 on: June 16, 2008, 08:52:57 PM »

this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

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     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me
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« Reply #505 on: June 16, 2008, 09:01:13 PM »

this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

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     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


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     Ta Duineveld na a detene pa falsificaion di documento di L.M.

looks like this guy might be named "Duijneveld"

Is Duijneveld(s???) a person detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur
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« Reply #506 on: June 16, 2008, 09:02:07 PM »

this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

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     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment. 
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« Reply #507 on: June 16, 2008, 09:10:15 PM »

There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.
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« Reply #508 on: June 16, 2008, 09:13:38 PM »

this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

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     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment. 

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me
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« Reply #509 on: June 16, 2008, 09:16:12 PM »

this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

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     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment. 

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me

Found this Rob...I think he is a partner of Freddy's 'Lady Eyes' lawyer?

RED summons Hirsch Ballin after bribery attempt Namdar in Aruba ...In Aruba, the bribery case of H.J Namdar is getting rather interesting. ... His lawyer Duineveld said that he gave his view on the case. ...
scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/05/red-summons-hirsch-ballin-after-bribery-attempt-namdar-in-aruba/ - 81k - 
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« Reply #510 on: June 16, 2008, 09:18:13 PM »

Bon Dia Aruba News - Home
Duijneveld, kende tabata e Abogado principal di e comerciante Luis Mansur ... Informacion cu Bon Dia Aruba a logra haya awe marduga ta indica cu e victima ...
www.bondia.com/ - 32k - Cached - Similar pages
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« Reply #511 on: June 16, 2008, 09:19:16 PM »

this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

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     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment. 

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me
He is Luis Mansur's lawyer.

advocate duijneveld representando sir mansur

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.600
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« Reply #512 on: June 16, 2008, 09:21:29 PM »

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ORANJESTAD – The civil servant unions united in SDA have instituted a lawsuit against the Oduber-cabinet. The lawsuit is to prevent the striking civil servants from not being paid this month. According to lawyer Edwin Duijneveld that represents the unions, the government is not allowed to withhold salaries based on just the principle ‘no work no pay’.

The strike has been going on for weeks now. The civil servants blocked the road along the Government Building yesterday morning and caused huge chaos in traffic. This morning, they blocked the access road to the harbour, at the office of Aruba Port Authority. At the airport and the schools, the employees are still on strike.

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« Reply #513 on: June 16, 2008, 10:03:51 PM »

FP Awemainta Newspaper 6-17-08

I removed the pictures because they are gruesome

The body has not been identified

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« Reply #514 on: June 16, 2008, 10:09:10 PM »


Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me


I'm shocked! I thought the falsification of documents was legal in Aruba. Does this mean Jan van der Straten and Dennis Jacobs could be thrown in jail? They certainly falsified their share of documents in Natalee's case. Jan even let Paulus edit his sonb's statement. Hey, maybe we'll get some arrests after all.
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« Reply #515 on: June 16, 2008, 10:10:23 PM »

Awemainta 6-17-08
Another article shows a 7 ton cocaine bust in Colombia.
I think this article says duijneveld is in detention for Bank Fraud and also represented Luis Mansur.


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« Reply #516 on: June 16, 2008, 10:14:25 PM »

Interresting post by fierljepper at BFN:

Just arrived in the US for work and had some time to ponder the case from 30000 feet.

How about the following scenario:

* K2 drop off Joran and Natalee at the Palm beach around 1:40-150
* Natalee collapses and appears to have died around 2:00
* Joran panics and desperately needs help. He runs to the HI and picks up a hotel phone near the pool. He contacts Guido Wever via the HI hotel phone (e.g. "could you connect me through to mr Wever in the casino please") 2:15
* Joran walks/jogs back to Natalee and shortly after that Guido arrives by car 2:30
* In the mean time he is so concerned about an alibi that he calls Deepak to tell him that he's walking home 2:26-2:34. Joran actually can't find his shoes in the dark and needs to say that he is walking barefoot.
* They load Natalee's body in the car, drive to the Salinja area and park their car to discuss next steps. Their car is spotted by the Gardener around 2:45-2:50
* Guido drops Joran off at his house around 3:09
* Guido disposes of the body and returns to Joran's apartment to explain what happened they agree on an alibi if necessary.

So, the "boat" is a "car" and Guido has one. They meet eachother the next day at the tennis club and in the casino. Surprisingly they even drive back together to Joran's house the night of the 30h to "pick up some cash". Plenty of time to chat and align stories. Due to the shrewd incrimination of the K2 by Joran, everybody is focused on whether Deepak and Joran were suspiciously close the evening of the 30th (they weren't), whereas Joran and Guido were (P.S. also note that Guido is the only one in Joran's book with a fake name - Marco D. - and Joran spends in DZNH surprisingly few words on Guido's arrest in 2006 and a lot on GVC).

Guido quits his job a few days later and return to NL.


It has been said the Guido left work early the night Natalee disappeared, and he had scratches on his face the next day, and he was charged with heavy battery. And his cousin Arlene Schippers did a great job of trying to misinform the public in the media. This makes for an interesting scenario.
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« Reply #517 on: June 16, 2008, 10:14:56 PM »

Question is, what does he have to do (if anything) with the corpse on the beach?
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« Reply #518 on: June 16, 2008, 10:16:27 PM »

There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.


Inneresting that they'll go after Luis Mansur's lawyer but won't touch the Van der Sloots. Party politics?
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« Reply #519 on: June 16, 2008, 10:20:18 PM »

Question is, what does he have to do (if anything) with the corpse on the beach?
The corpse has not been identified ,so I don't think he is connected to anyone just yet,at least publicly. That blogger may have been off topic just telling the most recent news.
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