Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 - 6/18/08

[Helen Back]

I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.

This statement demonstrates that the Chuck Rat doesn't know much about how things work over at the FBI.

What a bag of hot air.  Pfffffffft

I put as much confidence in what Rep. Bachus says as what the Chuck Rat says.

Good morning monkeys.

 

[Observer]

Next question who is that therapist?

No name was given but he may have spoken to Dan Riehl at RWV.

Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE

Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..

Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005

Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.

In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/two_observation.html

[Destiny]

Klaas....HUGE BABANA HEADING TO YOUR BASKET!!!...just got off phone with contact in Aruba...can't post here...

Destiny

[Tamikosmom]

A PRECONCEIVED PLAN

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006

... it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
August 4, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  Well, this is a young beautiful blonde tourist from New Jersey, and she has had an encounter with Joran van der Sloot.  And it was in April of '05 at Carlos 'n Charlie's. 

CROWLEY:  Why do you think she came forward now, Beth? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  You know, I—you know, I think it's just a matter of time before other—other young girls will begin to do this.  I am quite certain now, with her recount of events of the night in April of '05, that there are probably numerous others.  If you want me to describe some of the details of that night, I'd be glad to. 

CROWLEY:  Yes, please.  Please, Beth, tell us specifically what this witness told you about her particular encounter with Joran. 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Well, I think it—and, as I describe it, it becomes clearer to me that Joran and Deepak and Satish have a pretty good long history together, and I think they also—you know, I know it's been a well—true of the well established predatory type behavior. 

You know, he enters Carlos 'n Charlie's—and something I think is unique about this is, Joran is able to enter it on the left side, vs. the right side, which I believe you have to have an I.D. presented at the time.  On the left side, you must get a special privilege.  I don't know if it's a VIP card, or I don't know what a person might have to enter the establishment on that side. 

He comes into the bar.  Of course, it's getting close to closing time.  Tends to be his pattern.  Approaches this group of three tourists.  Immediately—you know what is so unusual about this is, as he is approaching them, he also takes them around Carlos 'n Charlie's.

And it was so remarkable how he knew everyone and everyone knew him, from giving this grip handshake to all the guys, to kiss on the cheeks to the girls, actually points out Deepak and Satish Kalpoe sitting on the same bench, bar stools, or seats, that they are seated in the picture that has been all over international media.  So, that must be their little roost, as they're in Carlos 'n Charlie's having Joran work for them. 

You know, he leans over the bar is able to order of four shots of 151, three for the girls, one for himself.  You know, he has an open tab to where he just leans over, and the bartender presents them, lines them up.  These girls had no idea what 151 was.  And it makes me think now, you know, I am certain that's the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time, or shots of—it was a shot of 151.  I know he bought her at least one shot. 

You know, these girls don't even know what that is.  And, you know, another friend of Joran's is coming up to him during that time with the girls.  And it's a short guy, dark-headed, light-skinned, has to stretch and reach his arm around Joran, and is almost as if to sell Joran, speaking of how rich he is, and just really promoting Joran.

And also, as he is pointing out Deepak and Satish, he is referring to them as his gambling buddies, buddies, and ones that he plays poker with on a regular basis. 

(CROSSTALK)

CROWLEY:  Beth, did you get a sense from—did you get a sense from talking to this new witness that Joran and his cronies essentially had a wing man set up, where they would approach a group of girls, some tourists, and it would sort of be bad cop/good cop, where they would set them up with drinks and then try to seduce them? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Absolutely.  Deepak and Satish were the wing men, and Joran was on the front line as the bait, seeing what he could pick up for the night, absolutely. 

CROWLEY:  Beth, did this...

(CROSSTALK)

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  And he was very...

CROWLEY:  Did this new witness just witness Joran and his cronies on one night, or was this over a series of nights? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  This was one night, one encounter with him, just so happened to be her last night on the island.   

CROWLEY:  Let me ask you, how credible do you think this witness is, Beth? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  I think she is absolutely credible, absolutely.  I sat down and spoke with she and her mother.  And I—she recounted every event, 100 percent credible, absolutely. 

CROWLEY:  And I also understand that she has photographs.  What are these photos of? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Yes, she has a photo of Joran with one of the girls that he was meeting with that night.  It was one of the three girls.  It was not her herself, but one of her friends. 

CROWLEY:  Now, Beth, do you believe that this girl—did she indicate to you in any way, shape or form that she herself had some sort of romantic relationship with Joran? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Oh, she absolutely did not, absolutely.  That did not happen.  You know, he was very persistent and kept trying to get trying to get the girls—trying to get these girls, their cell phone numbers, where are you saying, but, you know, they just—they didn't give it out to him.  You know, he was encouraging them to continue the party on from that—from Carlos 'n Charlie's ...
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839028/

[Tamikosmom]

A PRECONCEIVED PLAN

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006

... it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

[Tamikosmom]

A PRECONCEIVED PLAN

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006

... it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

[Tamikosmom]

Monkeys ... have a good day.

Off to a field trip with six year old grandaughter's grade one class.  Pilot Daddy is flying today and ... Mommy is on a field trip with older brother's class.

Lots of fun in the last couple weeks prior to summer vacation.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
8:00 AM

[klaasend]

Monkeys ... have a good day.

Off to a field trip with six year old grandaughter's grade one class.  Pilot Daddy is flying today and ... Mommy is on a field trip with older brother's class.

Lots of fun in the last couple weeks prior to summer vacation.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
8:00 AM

Have a wonderful day Janet!

[KarmaRoundUp]

This Karen ******* ?

Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

Oh now,so at least one of the interviews/interrogations were taped!

[MumInOhio]

One more on the shoes…LOL …from Joran’s book…Joran said these borrowed shoes were only one size smaller shoes, but a few days later he was asked to take off the size 10.5 shoes!!!

May 30th.,he stated he was wearing a size 14!! Must be a typo!!

P219-220
August 2nd 2005
…..And that he now was wearing borrowed K-Swiss shoes from a cell-mate and that these were one size smaller than the ones he had lost at the beach. The shoes he lost had a size 14. Joran also told me about a small riot in the KIA, which caused everyone to have a more severe detention.

P224
August 8th 2005

During interrogation Joran is asked to take off his shoes. "Why are you now wearing size 10.5, while you stated that on May 30th you were wearing size 14?", they asked him. Joran says, "that's because of the difference between English and American shoes sizes, but i don't tell them."


Have a great day Janet!

[Destiny]

Have a Wonderful Day Janet!!!

Destiny

[Destiny]

Klaas...nanner basket... 

[msmarple]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3058/30/

PERSONA HAYA HOGA NA BOCA WARIRURI       
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN) --- Dialuna ta mainta, un grupo di persona coriendo ariba Quadracer, a bin descubri un curpa ta drief rond den e boca Wariruri.

Mesora a bati alarma y no a tarda mucho cu diferente Polis y Recherché a yega na e boca ya menciona pa tuma nota di e sucedido.
Alarm Central tambe a worde poni na haltura di e caso y a despacha un unidad di Brandweer pa e sitio.

Na su yegada, dos di e miembronan di Brandweer a drenta e lama, pa por a recoge e persona cu ya tabata mustra cu e no tin señal di bida y claramente por a observa cu e persona aki di color scur, postura normal y cu un Tattoo di scorpion na su braza, ya tabata tin mas cu un dia den e lama, debi cu su pia banda robez ya a worde comi pa pisca nan grandi te na su bil.

Su curpa tabata tin muestra cu el a haya basta golpi na e barancanan y na su cabez por a nota cu el a haya basta sla akinan tambe. Rond di su pecho un cabuya di nylon tabata mara y na su parti ariba un buraco cu por ta consecuencia di dos a tres posibilidad.

Loke por a mira rond ta cu monton di palo di lama a worde poni ariba otro, cu por worde usa di señala un lugar durante di oranan laat di anochi y tambe por a mira cu varios boter di awa tabata fresco na e lugar ya menciona. Tambe tabata tin dos serbete cu no ta conoci si ta di e victima of di otro person nan cu ta bay na e lugar aki.

Dokter Kelly a bini na e sitio pa por a constata morto di e persona y Funeraria di Lulio a bay cu e curpa cu a worde tuma den beslag pa mas investigacion.

Departamento di T.O.D y di Recherché tin e caso den investigacion y mas den curso di siman nos ta spera di bini cu mas detaye nan encuanto e curpa haya na costa panoord di Aruba.

 
Online Pap translation:

person achieve hoga at mouth wariruri

tuesday, 17 june 2008

oranjestad (aan) --- monday is morning, one are of person coriendo upstairs quadracer, owing to come descubri one curpa is drief rond in the mouth wariruri.

at once owing to beat alarma y not owing to tarda mucho cu various police y recherché owing to arrive at the mouth already menciona for take notice of the sucedido.
alarm central also owing to worde poni at height of the caso y owing to despacha one unidad of brandweer for her sitio.

at his arrival, two of the miembronan of brandweer owing to enter the lama, for can owing to recoge the person cu already was show cu the not have sign of life y claramente can owing to observa cu the person here of color dark, postura normal y cu one tattoo of scorpion at his braza, already was have more cu one day in the lama, debi cu his leg near robez already owing to worde comi for pisca they big till at his bil.

his curpa was have sample cu past owing to achieve enough golpi at the barancanan y at his cabez can owing to notice cu past owing to achieve enough sla akinan also. rond of his pecho one cabuya of nylon was mara y at his part upstairs one buraco cu can is consecuencia of two owing to three posibilidad.

thing can owing to see rond is cu accumulation of tree of lama owing to worde poni upstairs another, cu can worde using of señala one lugar during of oranan late of night y also can owing to see cu several boter of water was fresco at the lugar already menciona. also was have two serbete cu do not conoci if is of the victima or of another person they cu is bay at the lugar here.

doctor kelly owing to come at the sitio for can owing to constata dead of the person y funeraria of lulio owing to bay cu the curpa cu owing to worde take in beslag for more investigacion.

departamento of t.o.d y of recherché have the caso in investigacion y more in curso of week we is wait for of come cu more detaye they encuanto the curpa achieve at costa panoord of aruba.

[carpe noctem]

BREAKING:

24 ORA


FIRE NEAR MARRIOTT?


 Candela na Marriott Casino
Policial
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 - 11:31
breaking%20news.gifDiamars mainta algo pasa di 11 or melding ta drenta cu lo mester tin candela den dak na Marriott Hotel. Immediatamente dos unidad di Brandweer y Polis a mobilisa pa e sitio. Na nan yegada no por a nota senal di huma of candela. Despues di drenta paden na e parti di casino a bin compronde cu tabata tin candela pero personal di Marriott a logra di domina e candela cu un fire extinguisher. Dentro di poco e imagenan.



http://www.24ora.com/

[klaasend]

BREAKING:

24 ORA


FIRE NEAR MARRIOTT?


 Candela na Marriott Casino
Policial
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 - 11:31
breaking%20news.gifDiamars mainta algo pasa di 11 or melding ta drenta cu lo mester tin candela den dak na Marriott Hotel. Immediatamente dos unidad di Brandweer y Polis a mobilisa pa e sitio. Na nan yegada no por a nota senal di huma of candela. Despues di drenta paden na e parti di casino a bin compronde cu tabata tin candela pero personal di Marriott a logra di domina e candela cu un fire extinguisher. Dentro di poco e imagenan.



http://www.24ora.com/

More through translator:

tuesday morning algo happen of 11 or melding is enter cu will have to have candela in roof at marriott hotel. immediatamente two unidad of brandweer y police owing to mobilisa for her sitio. at they arrival not can owing to notice senal of smoke or candela. after of enter inside at the part of casino owing to come compronde cu was have candela but personal of marriott owing to succeed of domina the candela cu one fire extinguisher. dentro of some the imagenan. come across

[Hotshot]

I think this is where Lucinstraat is located... if not - it's right in the immediate vicinity.

Can't see your picture so I don't know where you are pointing but its in or close to Madiki, close to water, a pond or something.  And it was Koens mothers shop, not an apartment.  I would post a picture of it, but photobucket is not working for me right now.

[klaasend]

I think Photobucket is having some issues right now.  Hopefully they will fix their problem shortly 

[Observer]

Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean
http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html

[KarmaRoundUp]

This Karen ******* ?

Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

Oh now,so at least one of the interviews/interrogations were taped!

Does C&C's have an upstairs?

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