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« Reply #680 on: June 17, 2008, 05:51:27 PM »

Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!

You and your little guy are both amazing!  How long of a drive is it for you?
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« Reply #681 on: June 17, 2008, 05:53:34 PM »

I can't believe that fat fock is still on the police force??!!! Thought he retired!!!

This hasss to be a different fat f00k!!! it just has to be... this broken down jalopy probably drives the white van and will be very very busy this month. He's the only guy on Aruba that can NOT go on vacation during the months of June, July and August. 
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« Reply #682 on: June 17, 2008, 06:01:20 PM »

Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?
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« Reply #683 on: June 17, 2008, 06:07:09 PM »

Is there an upsurge in bodies, reporting the bodies found, or some other circumstance going on here?

I think if Natalee was at the beach, her body would have shown up, and someone would have found it.

Just speculating, maybe someone found a body and disappeared it for a second time...Stanley Z. style...

This has to be what happened....

look at who washes up.

Colombians, Venezuelans, and what they perceive the riff raff of the Caribbean.

who doesn't wash up?

Americans and Arubans

Buddy Larson,
Max,
Gary Makings,
Natalee,
Mr Jose Tromp,
etc.

They must have had Natalee - there is no other excuse - and the fact they they won't help tells me they know she is not in the ocean.


Holy guacamole, Batman!  That's right.  While do only South Americans wash up on the beach, whereas others missing haven't? 
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« Reply #684 on: June 17, 2008, 06:11:20 PM »

Lil Puma - according to Travis Makings - Gary's son - he was scuba diving. So where is he?

He was told Gary WAS IN THE WATER.
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« Reply #685 on: June 17, 2008, 06:12:36 PM »

Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!

You and your little guy are both amazing!  How long of a drive is it for you?

13 hours!!!! YUCK!!!! lol

Here's the thing, the Race For The Cure makes me think of my mother...greatest woman in the world!!! ALWAYS!!! stood up for the underdog and what she believed in!!!
But she passed at 49 of cancer...I am 43. Now I am not planning on checking out anytime soon!!! lol But life is just so damned short...even if you live to be 100!!! Just too darned short!!!!
This is a great lesson for my 20 year old stepsister, great lesson for my little man...and a great cause!!! Women are getting hurt in Aruba and bodies are floating ashore. What is one weekend out of my life for a great cause!!!!

Love ya Monkeys!!! Pray it all comes together for me and I can "walk" after the "race"!!!! lol
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« Reply #686 on: June 17, 2008, 06:21:36 PM »



I think they  payed the 3 girls  to say nothing about the rape!
That is the Aruban &  vd Sloot Style

I wonder what their silence cost them besides their dignity.  IMO they made a pact with the Devil.
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« Reply #687 on: June 17, 2008, 06:33:21 PM »

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


This is saying that at nightfall on the coast another lifeless body was found drifting along side another body (2 more bodies in addition to the first found yesterday) It says we believe these bodies to be of 3 columbian persons. Perhaps one of the gruop found yesterday belong to this group. Corpses had no sign of life. come across. 
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« Reply #688 on: June 17, 2008, 06:33:44 PM »



Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

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What the heck kind of drugs did Joran do that night that Freddy became Fernando?
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« Reply #689 on: June 17, 2008, 06:36:57 PM »

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Someone reminded me of this passage.  Is there a "king of the ocean" somewhere? 
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« Reply #690 on: June 17, 2008, 06:39:39 PM »

I have seen that type of rope used for water skiing also. What I can't understand is why he was naked? I can't see anyone doing any type of watersport nude.

Could be he took off his clothes as they were weighing him down, instead of taking them off, putting air in them and then tying them off to use as buoys. Who knows why he was nude, why he was even in the water?
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« Reply #691 on: June 17, 2008, 06:40:03 PM »

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


This is saying that at nightfall on the coast another lifeless body was found drifting along side another body (2 more bodies in addition to the first found yesterday) It says we believe these bodies to be of 3 columbian persons. Perhaps one of the gruop found yesterday belong to this group. Corpses had no sign of life. come across. 

thank you much, sandy.  anything said about why they think they're colombian or why these 2 are both naked?
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« Reply #692 on: June 17, 2008, 06:51:34 PM »

Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!


ldstlou - Oh, I so hope you can go. To my knowledge, Vicki is the ONLY ONE planning to ... please let her know ASAP.

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Here is what I've been posting re. the event; links might be helpful  --

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!



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« Reply #693 on: June 17, 2008, 06:54:23 PM »

I remember the fabric that looked like Natalee's shirt.  Perhaps in the water, sometimes clothing comes off all by itself and floats away?

Strings untie, and t-shirts get wet and stretch?  Maybe float away?  Pants too?

IIRC, a mod from W/S was found in the water and she was missing a top. 
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« Reply #694 on: June 17, 2008, 06:56:24 PM »

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


This is saying that at nightfall on the coast another lifeless body was found drifting along side another body (2 more bodies in addition to the first found yesterday) It says we believe these bodies to be of 3 columbian persons. Perhaps one of the gruop found yesterday belong to this group. Corpses had no sign of life. come across. 

thank you much, sandy.  anything said about why they think they're colombian or why these 2 are both naked?
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No nothing as to why they think they are columbian,  but didnt we read about fast boat sizure where 3 colombian jump overboard to get to shore. Maybe these guys or maybe more b/s from the arubans.  I wonder why naked unless they removed clothing that  weighed them down.  But the 2 shown have distinctive tatoos.  Not sure if the photo of the one with the leg bone stivking out is the third guy or the guy with the scorpion tatoo.
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« Reply #695 on: June 17, 2008, 06:57:47 PM »

There was a black Jeep found abandoned near the ocean about a week or so back -- any relation to these bodies?
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« Reply #696 on: June 17, 2008, 07:13:50 PM »

WOW!
Thanks Pita,I have never seen that balcony or just never noticed it before.So they actually let people up there with drinking and all.....that's just asking for a accident.
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« Reply #697 on: June 17, 2008, 07:22:10 PM »

ok... look at this



  this is just tooootttallly ridiculous. Like that statement made by the guy is going to be taken seriously. That is going in the garbage as fast as you can say FOOK ARUBA 
LOL....the guy with the visibility team hat on to the left in this pic looks a little like steve croes.I wouldn't be surprised at that at all!
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« Reply #698 on: June 17, 2008, 07:22:53 PM »

Is the place the bodies were found near each other?  Were either found near the painted rocks area?  IIRC wasn't the painting of the rocks with 2 weeks of Natalee disappearing?
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« Reply #699 on: June 17, 2008, 07:26:00 PM »

Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?

Scorpion on his neck



Tattoo on his arm


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