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« Reply #880 on: June 18, 2008, 07:15:21 PM »

I thought the paper had four stories from different psychics and the only one that was translated was the map from Karen Godessoff.  Am I wrong???
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« Reply #881 on: June 18, 2008, 07:15:43 PM »


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*******, I know you've been on FOK as well...do you remember or can you find the posts of Duikkie concerning the driving route of Deepak? I know Duikkie had some good posts about that but can't find them anymore....

Or Johan...maybe you can find them? I'll keep looking anyway...


DRIVING ROUTE - MARRIOT BEACH ACCOUNT

Deepak Kalpoe
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June 11, 2005


1.  I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”. When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.

2.  I decided to turn left into the Weststraat in the direction of “Choose a Name”. On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there.

The girl stuck her head out of the window and yelled something. I had not heard what she had yelled.  As to your question if I recognised anyone from this group, I can say the following. It was the same group I saw outside of “Carlos & Charlie”. I also remember a boy that walked up to the car and said to Natalee in English “Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy” (loosely translated by reporting officer: Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy).

3.  I properly drove on and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing in the vicinity of the “Royal Plaza”.

I had then said to the girl that if your friends think it is better that you go with them, then that would be the better thing to do. The girl had said to me that no I am staying with you guys. I then called Joran by his name. He dit not answer. He was talking to the girl.

4.  I called Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES".

5.  After that I drove in the direction of the “Renaissance Hotel".

6.  There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends.

When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about “Sharks” and “Lighthouse”. That is what I had heard. Joran then said “Lighthouse”. I knew at that moment that I had to drive to the “Lighthouse”.

7.  I rolled up the windows and put the airconditioning on and drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

On the way to the "Lighthouse" me and my brother sat in front and talked and Joran and the girl were in the back and talked. I could not hear what they were talking about.

8.  At approximately where the “La Cabana Hotel” was, Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes in it.

The girl said in English “Oh my God, whats that” (loosely translated by reporting officer: Oh my God, What is that). I then said to Joran in English: “Now she is going to think that we're perverts (loosely translated by reporting officer: Now the girls is going to think we are perverts). After a while Joran said to Satish in Dutch. “Switch off the DVD, she has had enough of it. Satish complied with the request.

9.  I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi.  When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee.

10.  Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

11.  Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”.

Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving.

12.  After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car.

13.  After that I drove down the road towards Arashi. Arriving at the Smith Boulevard on the section of road that has no lighting, I asked Joran if I should head back to town. Joran said no, no, let me out here. That was in the vicinity of the “Marriot Hotel”. I asked, where is here. He said here.

14.  I turned into a side street.

To your question as to what kind of a road it was, I can say the following. I am not sure if it was a sand/dirt road or a paved road. I am willing to show you where the street is that I just mentioned.

15.  As to your question how far I drove into the afore mentioned street, I can say the following, I think I drove about 55 yards into that street. Joran said that I should let him out there. After that I brought my car to a full stop.

Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand.

16.  I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house. I do remember that in front of the “Marriot Hotel”

Satish asked me to stop momentarily. I did what he asked me, Satish rolled down his window and threw out the two “Yards”.

17.  After that we drove until we got to the roundabout near “Texaco Sasakr”.

18.  At the roundabout I headed due east in the direction of my house at Hooiberg.
 
To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.


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johan555  Nice map.  Thanks for all thi drug information.

Janet You would know this better than me, so forgive me if I am mistaken. 

I think he does tell us he stopped somewhere else and this is why.  He said "Satish rolled down his window and threw out the two “Yards”.  I don't remember them carrying yards out of C&Cs.

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« Reply #882 on: June 18, 2008, 07:17:16 PM »

I just don't understand thought prints, psycho psychics, or outtabodywhatchamacallits. 
It is in English! As far as translating the area she is talking about I have no clue. Caps or another Aruban would be best to pinpoint the location if there is a actual location.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30


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« Reply #883 on: June 18, 2008, 07:19:15 PM »

*******, if you click on that link that is on top of the Diaro map, you will see the original newspaper section from Diaro.  But is is in Dutch!!!  I read there were more stories there but I cannot translate it.
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« Reply #884 on: June 18, 2008, 07:21:41 PM »

I thought the paper had four stories from different psychics and the only one that was translated was the map from Karen Godessoff.  Am I wrong???
Not sure,There were a few articles on Psychics lately and I have read them all. Most of the psychics in this case have written in English and none of them have panned out. As far as that Maria,she is a witness and not a psychic.
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« Reply #885 on: June 18, 2008, 07:23:01 PM »

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« Reply #886 on: June 18, 2008, 07:24:06 PM »

*******, if you click on that link that is on top of the Diaro map, you will see the original newspaper section from Diaro.  But is is in Dutch!!!  I read there were more stories there but I cannot translate it.

dutch ? that is pappiamento  Abracadabra  for me !
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« Reply #887 on: June 18, 2008, 07:24:17 PM »

Oops.  Hi also klaasend, Helen Back, mrskub, *******, Rob, KarmaRoundUp, dennisintn and 19 Guests, and anyone else who pops in before I hit reply.

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« Reply #888 on: June 18, 2008, 07:24:49 PM »

*******, if you click on that link that is on top of the Diaro map, you will see the original newspaper section from Diaro.  But is is in Dutch!!!  I read there were more stories there but I cannot translate it.
The article is in Papi and the map in english,but I only recall seeing Karen and Maria in this article. I have not seen any other "psychics" lately that are even worth discussing. I am very interesting in hearing more from this Maria.
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« Reply #889 on: June 18, 2008, 07:25:15 PM »

*******, if you click on that link that is on top of the Diaro map, you will see the original newspaper section from Diaro.  But is is in Dutch!!!  I read there were more stories there but I cannot translate it.

Always 1 - Diario is not in Dutch, it's in Papiamentu.  If it were in Dutch we could at least get a partial translation but Pap is very difficult to translate and the translator really doesn't work.
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« Reply #890 on: June 18, 2008, 07:26:54 PM »

*******, if you click on that link that is on top of the Diaro map, you will see the original newspaper section from Diaro.  But is is in Dutch!!!  I read there were more stories there but I cannot translate it.

dutch ? that is pappiamento  Abracadabra  for me !

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« Reply #891 on: June 18, 2008, 07:31:20 PM »

Ok, thanks anyway for you help.
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« Reply #892 on: June 18, 2008, 07:33:02 PM »

Is Joran still in Thailand?  Did he quit school?  Is he selling drugs full time now?  Is he going back to The Netherlands?  What do we know? 
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« Reply #893 on: June 18, 2008, 07:41:35 PM »

I updated this map. I have always been curious about Deepak saying he drove around the block two times. And he makes the left on West Straat when he see the cops and is not wearing his seat belt.

If you look at this map, there are only so many ways to go. The possibilities diminish with each turn. After the turn on to West Straat there is a one way street. He can not turn there. That street is called Heaven Straat IIRC. At the next street he can make a right on to Schelp, but he doesn't because he says that he drove past Choose A Name bar.

He is heading in a very specific direction.... look at the map on the very bottom.


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« Reply #894 on: June 18, 2008, 07:45:15 PM »

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LOL BB!
But on a more serious note,I think they should not be published till at least they are ID'd and thier families notified.

That is very true. But think of this...maybe showing the tattoo helps ID them? But you are certianly correct.
That's very true but they could have taken pictures of just their tatts and maybe showed just that till the families are found or notified.Just looks real indecent to splash that in their newspapers.

bb and Karma ... I agree.

Can you just imagine having an image of your loved one's remains displayed in such deplorable conditions in the local newpaper.  Such disrespect to the deceased and ... such disrespect to the deceased's family ...

 

It just was not necessary.  In terms of identification ... those remains were not recognizable.  Any identifiable feature such of the tattoo could have been described or ... an image provided.

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Well at least those images maybe woke up a few tourists on aruba.
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« Reply #895 on: June 18, 2008, 07:45:35 PM »

I don't think they went past La Cabana. They probably did put the porn on the DVD player, but it wasn't at La Cabana.
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« Reply #896 on: June 18, 2008, 07:46:33 PM »


Johan,Since I have known him he has done much research and knows much more then 99% of the Dutch people following this case. You know what he said earlier today? Boycott Aruba!  Not only should the Americans Boycott but also the Dutch


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DRIVING ROUTE - MARRIOT BEACH ACCOUNT

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


1.  I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”. When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.

2.  I decided to turn left into the Weststraat in the direction of “Choose a Name”. On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there.

3.  I properly drove on and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing in the vicinity of the “Royal Plaza”.

4.  I called Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES".

5.  After that I drove in the direction of the “Renaissance Hotel".

6.  There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends.

7.  I rolled up the windows and put the airconditioning on and drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

8.  At approximately where the “La Cabana Hotel” was, Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes in it.

9.  I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi.  When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee.

10.  Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

11.  Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”.

12.  After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car.

13.  After that I drove down the road towards Arashi. Arriving at the Smith Boulevard on the section of road that has no lighting, I asked Joran if I should head back to town. Joran said no, no, let me out here. That was in the vicinity of the “Marriot Hotel”. I asked, where is here. He said here.

14.  I turned into a side street.

15.  As to your question how far I drove into the afore mentioned street, I can say the following, I think I drove about 55 yards into that street. Joran said that I should let him out there. After that I brought my car to a full stop.

16.  I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house. I do remember that in front of the “Marriot Hotel”

Satish asked me to stop momentarily. I did what he asked me, Satish rolled down his window and threw out the two “Yards”.

17.  After that we drove until we got to the roundabout near “Texaco Sasakr”.

18.  At the roundabout I headed due east in the direction of my house at Hooiberg.
 
To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.


I cannot get past Deepak's declaration which states that he stopped at the Arisha beach to relieve himself and ... the June 10, 2005 Confession that implies "Something bad happened".

Why was Natalee's family searching for her at "the old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach"?

There has to be some implication.

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Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

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« Reply #898 on: June 18, 2008, 07:50:14 PM »

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LOL BB!
But on a more serious note,I think they should not be published till at least they are ID'd and thier families notified.

That is very true. But think of this...maybe showing the tattoo helps ID them? But you are certianly correct.
That's very true but they could have taken pictures of just their tatts and maybe showed just that till the families are found or notified.Just looks real indecent to splash that in their newspapers.
You are right about that, I just have a different view.
Right,we can agree to disagree but I don't think aruba splashing all those car accidents on their front pages is helping them not to have so many accidents.....seems to be getting worse.


I imagine more than a few tourist have stacked chow during their morning eggs and sausee by accidentally picking up one of those papers for their morning breakfast read.

I think those images are terrible for their tourism business. Who needs to see that shit? Just report it and show the body bag.
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« Reply #899 on: June 18, 2008, 07:50:15 PM »

******* did also a good job on Fok 
The case is still alive in the Netherlands
Thank you Johan! It was you that attracted me to FOK when you were discussing PVDS in the casino  You have done a unbelievable Job there and I hope you continue!

we have tread 18 there now and almost 200.000 visitors
Hi Johan....great job at FOK and here!
Do you have a link to FOK?And can you tell me what FOK means?
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