Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 - 6/18/08

[LilPuma]

the most pitiful one i've seen in their papers is the nude body of a woman just thrown across a trash pile.  that pretty much solidified my perception of their collective view of the value of human life and dignity.  i realize they aren't all like that but that should have brought a huge outcry of protest and didn't.
dennisintn

good point

They seem to do things differently from not only the U.S., but Western Europe and Canada.  It's like some things are so 2008 there and others are the Dark Ages. 


Imagine the lawsuits if that were done here in the States. There would be twice as many lawyers are there are now, which is already two times too many.

[Blue Moon]

SNIP

That bullshit about him being released to go to school was nothing more than a crooked judge doing his father a favor and getting his ass off the island. There was no justification for that. I agree with you, *******, he'll never be able to lead a worthwhile life from here on out.
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We've never heard of him having a steady job.  It was quiet for awhile when he was in school ('05 - arrest in '07), but then we see him with Patrick wanting to get into growing and/or selling marijuana.  I don't know if he was going to classes or how he did -- someone said he was over the top smart?  right.   Someone is supporting this guy and I don't think it's the Sloots, unless they're being paid for something we don't know about.  I've said follow the money and that's what I'm thinking about.  He speaks English, Dutch, Papi.  With English, he can get by in many countries.  But he's doing something for money and we know he likes the drugs.  Oh, to get a look at his computer and phone.  Is he calling Lorenzo?  Daddy?  Freddy?  Guido?  I agree that he probably doesn't want to go back to The Netherlands since Patrick and Peter and the wine-throwing debacle.  Hmmmmmm  Where is he staying?  Is he staying with someone?  Thinking out loud, not expecting you to know --    if you did, Destiny would be calling. 
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My own opinion (for what it's worth) I believe ALE (government) is paying for everything Joran is doing.  I believe Joran took them to Natalee's body and after they saw the condition her body was in they took care of the problem. Joran being the phsyco he is has this to hold against them and they have no other choice but to give him everything he asks for.  If this is the case then what he did to Natalee is sooooooo over the edge that we cannot even imagine it.  ALE covered it up to save the Sloots for one but also to save their tourism.  Paulus knows it and Big Goon child knows it too.  This is not the first time Joran has done this.  Mark my words on that one.

[Rob]

I believe this is the route they took.

[LilPuma]

the most pitiful one i've seen in their papers is the nude body of a woman just thrown across a trash pile.  that pretty much solidified my perception of their collective view of the value of human life and dignity.  i realize they aren't all like that but that should have brought a huge outcry of protest and didn't.
dennisintn

good point

Imagine the lawsuits if that were done here in the States. There would be twice as many lawyers are there are now, which is already two times too many.

CORRECTION:  They seem to do things differently from not only the U.S., but Western Europe and Canada.  It's like some things are so 2008 there and others are the Dark Ages. 

I seem to have typed it in so it looked like Dayhiker said what I said.  Sorry.  That just happened to Johan a page or so ago. 

[Observer]

Ok.  He's in Thailand and it's popular with young people.  So where would they post their pics?   I want to cruise through a few hundred recent pics of young people in Thailand. 

Good luck with that! Unless there is a popular tourist bar that takes pictures of it's guests like Carlos and Charlies on that resort island you wont find any pictures. GBMW received pics because she works in that business(Media).  If he travels to Phuket Thailand he will encounter many more Americans and some Dutch and he will be recognized.

That last article didn't tell us much and I suspect we will see another like that in the next month or so. Most of Europe and Thailand has no idea who he is..But all of Holland and millions of Americans would recognize him. It's easy to spot someone who is 6'5 and white and towers over all of the locals

[Rob]

Sorry, Rob.  I didn't mean to give you a headache.  I was just so excited to be able to see what was going on without being there.

  lol you didn't give me a headache. I should have replied and forgot..

I'm glad you can capture all the images you want now. 

[Rob]

That bullshit about him being released to go to school was nothing more than a crooked judge doing his father a favor and getting his ass off the island. There was no justification for that. I agree with you, *******, he'll never be able to lead a worthwhile life from here on out.

We've never heard of him having a steady job.  It was quiet for awhile when he was in school ('05 - arrest in '07), but then we see him with Patrick wanting to get into growing and/or selling marijuana.  I don't know if he was going to classes or how he did -- someone said he was over the top smart?  right.   Someone is supporting this guy and I don't think it's the Sloots, unless they're being paid for something we don't know about.  I've said follow the money and that's what I'm thinking about.  He speaks English, Dutch, Papi.  With English, he can get by in many countries.  But he's doing something for money and we know he likes the drugs.  Oh, to get a look at his computer and phone.  Is he calling Lorenzo?  Daddy?  Freddy?  Guido?  I agree that he probably doesn't want to go back to The Netherlands since Patrick and Peter and the wine-throwing debacle.  Hmmmmmm  Where is he staying?  Is he staying with someone?  Thinking out loud, not expecting you to know --    if you did, Destiny would be calling. 

No, never since we heard of the scumbag has he ever had a legitimate source of income, yet we know he has never quit gambling, never quit doing drugs, never quit drinking, and he travels all over the place. He was out every night of the week in the casinos and bars, was not the crack student his mother and her media trolls made him out to be, and he isn't in school now- he's still out partying! The money has to come from somewhere, all that shit isn't free.

sure looks free to me 

[Dayhiker]

SNIP

That bullshit about him being released to go to school was nothing more than a crooked judge doing his father a favor and getting his ass off the island. There was no justification for that. I agree with you, *******, he'll never be able to lead a worthwhile life from here on out.

We've never heard of him having a steady job.  It was quiet for awhile when he was in school ('05 - arrest in '07), but then we see him with Patrick wanting to get into growing and/or selling marijuana.  I don't know if he was going to classes or how he did -- someone said he was over the top smart?  right.   Someone is supporting this guy and I don't think it's the Sloots, unless they're being paid for something we don't know about.  I've said follow the money and that's what I'm thinking about.  He speaks English, Dutch, Papi.  With English, he can get by in many countries.  But he's doing something for money and we know he likes the drugs.  Oh, to get a look at his computer and phone.  Is he calling Lorenzo?  Daddy?  Freddy?  Guido?  I agree that he probably doesn't want to go back to The Netherlands since Patrick and Peter and the wine-throwing debacle.  Hmmmmmm  Where is he staying?  Is he staying with someone?  Thinking out loud, not expecting you to know --    if you did, Destiny would be calling. 
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My own opinion (for what it's worth) I believe ALE (government) is paying for everything Joran is doing.  I believe Joran took them to Natalee's body and after they saw the condition her body was in they took care of the problem. Joran being the phsyco he is has this to hold against them and they have no other choice but to give him everything he asks for.  If this is the case then what he did to Natalee is sooooooo over the edge that we cannot even imagine it.  ALE covered it up to save the Sloots for one but also to save their tourism.  Paulus knows it and Big Goon child knows it too.  This is not the first time Joran has done this.  Mark my words on that one.
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I agree with you Blue Moon. I think Joran and Paulus have them by their short hairs and they are beholden to them to keep the corruption secret. They were probably doing them a favor and are now being blackmailed for it.

I think Nico Jorge was tring to send Paulus a message as were his fellow judges when they denied his compensation. I think they were saying, "Hey, we got you out of this mess, enough is enough!"
 

[LilPuma]

SNIP

That bullshit about him being released to go to school was nothing more than a crooked judge doing his father a favor and getting his ass off the island. There was no justification for that. I agree with you, *******, he'll never be able to lead a worthwhile life from here on out.

We've never heard of him having a steady job.  It was quiet for awhile when he was in school ('05 - arrest in '07), but then we see him with Patrick wanting to get into growing and/or selling marijuana.  I don't know if he was going to classes or how he did -- someone said he was over the top smart?  right.   Someone is supporting this guy and I don't think it's the Sloots, unless they're being paid for something we don't know about.  I've said follow the money and that's what I'm thinking about.  He speaks English, Dutch, Papi.  With English, he can get by in many countries.  But he's doing something for money and we know he likes the drugs.  Oh, to get a look at his computer and phone.  Is he calling Lorenzo?  Daddy?  Freddy?  Guido?  I agree that he probably doesn't want to go back to The Netherlands since Patrick and Peter and the wine-throwing debacle.  Hmmmmmm  Where is he staying?  Is he staying with someone?  Thinking out loud, not expecting you to know --    if you did, Destiny would be calling. 
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My own opinion (for what it's worth) I believe ALE (government) is paying for everything Joran is doing.  I believe Joran took them to Natalee's body and after they saw the condition her body was in they took care of the problem. Joran being the phsyco he is has this to hold against them and they have no other choice but to give him everything he asks for.  If this is the case then what he did to Natalee is sooooooo over the edge that we cannot even imagine it.  ALE covered it up to save the Sloots for one but also to save their tourism.  Paulus knows it and Big Goon child knows it too.  This is not the first time Joran has done this.  Mark my words on that one.
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Joran said more than once something like "why does this always happen to me".   Like his now famous "we've done this like 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened.  To me, that means drugging, raping, and sometimes the woman gets sick or doesn't come around right away.  Like Satish asking how's the girl.  Like Deepak saying Joran is crazy so they just look ahead.  We know Natalee was injured, not just drugged; that's why there could be no body, especially since she had no history of seizures.   Some were posting yesterday that women besides the 3 in Aruba gave statements.  So Joran has done this before.  I don't think Aruba is paying his bills.  They have evidence against him and he knows they covered it up.  So they all get screwed if anyone talks.  After Patrick, they had to discredit him so if he said anything else it could and would be written off as "Joran always lies".  I'd like to put Kimberly's interview with Anita up and insert Joran's pictures, videotape, quotes, and book quotes in that contradict everything the lying mama had to say about her psychopath. 

[GBMW]

Is Joran still in Thailand?  Did he quit school?  Is he selling drugs full time now?  Is he going back to The Netherlands?  What do we know? 

He was in Holland for a short time a couple of weeks ago...he flew back to Thailand...and as far as I know he's still there. We got some recent photos / videos of him shopping around and sitting on a terrace with three girls...can't put them online because we're not going to air the material. Sorry.

I would just like to know who he is with in Thailand and who is paying for all his expenses. I'M sure you saw the Dutch Tabloid and it mentioned he left the island on a speedboat..Who's is it? This is not some simple vacation for a couple of days or weeks and I do not believe for one second his parents are paying for all of this.

I really have no idea...but you can live on Thailand for a VERY long time with little money. It's very, very cheap there for Dutch people. The flight itself isn't but staying there hardly costs anything.

[Rob]

I agree with you Blue Moon. I think Joran and Paulus have them by their short hairs and they are beholden to them to keep the corruption secret. They were probably doing them a favor and are now being blackmailed for it.

I think Nico Jorge was tring to send Paulus a message as were his fellow judges when they denied his compensation. I think they were saying, "Hey, we got you out of this mess, enough is enough!"
 

ya know Pustus got to drive himself to the polis station to be "interviewed" ... what are the odds that they allowed Joran and Pustus to drive themselves to the body with the ALE actually giving them a car to use so they would not be recoginzed, in the small gray car, and it really is them on the Arubay video?

[Tamikosmom]

I'd like to put Kimberly's interview with Anita up and insert Joran's pictures, videotape, quotes, and book quotes in that contradict everything the lying mama had to say about her psychopath. 

LilPuma ... that would be so much fun.

 

You go for it!  Make an outline and ... if I can help out with quotes ... let me know.

Janet

[LilPuma]

Ok.  He's in Thailand and it's popular with young people.  So where would they post their pics?   I want to cruise through a few hundred recent pics of young people in Thailand. 

Good luck with that! Unless there is a popular tourist bar that takes pictures of it's guests like Carlos and Charlies on that resort island you wont find any pictures. GBMW received pics because she works in that business(Media).  If he travels to Phuket Thailand he will encounter many more Americans and some Dutch and he will be recognized.

That last article didn't tell us much and I suspect we will see another like that in the next month or so. Most of Europe and Thailand has no idea who he is..But all of Holland and millions of Americans would recognize him. It's easy to spot someone who is 6'5 and white and towers over all of the locals

They take pictures and they all put them on the Net, whether a social site or a photobucket-type site.  I've got to eat something.  Later monkeys.  If I find Joran standing in front of a hotel in the background of some pic of a group of Canadian college students, I'll let you know. 
   What I'd like is for anyone who recognizes him in a bar anywhere in the world to ask the D.J. to play Sweet Home Alabama.  Freak him out. 

[Dayhiker]

No, never since we heard of the scumbag has he ever had a legitimate source of income, yet we know he has never quit gambling, never quit doing drugs, never quit drinking, and he travels all over the place. He was out every night of the week in the casinos and bars, was not the crack student his mother and her media trolls made him out to be, and he isn't in school now- he's still out partying! The money has to come from somewhere, all that shit isn't free.

sure looks free to me 

Somebody's paying for it but it darn sure isn't the Devil Child.  

[Observer]

I think Nico Jorge was tring to send Paulus a message as were his fellow judges when they denied his compensation. I think they were saying, "Hey, we got you out of this mess, enough is enough!"
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I think so also Dayhiker! Remember he got greedy,he was already awarded money but he wanted more! Nico knew about the crucial evidence that KJ never presented till the end and he had to sit through months of PVDS and his lawyer lying through there teeth and trying to prosper off of it. He is one arrogant SOB and he is not afraid to insult people in front of his peers.

There are a few honest hard working people in that justice dept and Govt and I bet they absolutely despise this man! One of them retired yesterday and the man that bitchslapped him in public is leaving in 2 weeks,the rest of them mind there own business because they all know who he is connected to. The Arubans aren't stupid and you can rest assured this man is hated.

[Dayhiker]

I agree with you Blue Moon. I think Joran and Paulus have them by their short hairs and they are beholden to them to keep the corruption secret. They were probably doing them a favor and are now being blackmailed for it.

I think Nico Jorge was tring to send Paulus a message as were his fellow judges when they denied his compensation. I think they were saying, "Hey, we got you out of this mess, enough is enough!"
 

ya know Pustus got to drive himself to the polis station to be "interviewed" ... what are the odds that they allowed Joran and Pustus to drive themselves to the body with the ALE actually giving them a car to use so they would not be recoginzed, in the small gray car, and it really is them on the Arubay video?

That and nothing else would surprise me, Rob. They got everything they wanted handed to them by the prosecutor, cops, and judges. Evething on a silver platter. Pustus' arrest was a charade. We now know Jannsen could have presented those wiretaps any time, not just during the appeal. They were holding back evidence on the bums.

[Buckeye]

Post by gaijin 06/28/05, on SM, during discussion of K2 driving Joran around.:

I'm kinof going along this line that something about this scenario doesnt make sense.  I mean, not to influx a New York angle into this, but this is almost mob mentality. And I dont mean to suggest that the mob is involved. what I mean is, growing up in Ozone Park/Howard beach in NYC..I've seen a lot of this type of behavior..where "wannabe's" hang out with someone who is in a position of ...authority...closer to the mob...someone who is involved...and the wannabees will hangout...take the upstart wiseguy somewhere and ..then just sit in a car and wait for hours....until he comes out and tells them what else he wants them to do or where to go..like it is a rite of passage almost...Now, not to suggest that this is mob, but ...if this is what indeed took place then its mob mentality...meaning that these brothers felt that Joran was in a position of authority....perhaps aspiring authority...and didnt mind obeying him , chauffering him...as a dues paying rite. Bottom line goes back to the dutch boy being a player, or an aspiring player  in some forum..that these others where playing up to him and doing whatever he (his family?) said. In order to get inside. "They" wernt supposed to be having fun that night. They were just supposed to be doing what they were told to do.

I still think K2 is in too deep, but this is interesting. Joran (or his dad/family) does seem to be connected to some protector.

[Observer]

Is Joran still in Thailand?  Did he quit school?  Is he selling drugs full time now?  Is he going back to The Netherlands?  What do we know? 

He was in Holland for a short time a couple of weeks ago...he flew back to Thailand...and as far as I know he's still there. We got some recent photos / videos of him shopping around and sitting on a terrace with three girls...can't put them online because we're not going to air the material. Sorry.

I would just like to know who he is with in Thailand and who is paying for all his expenses. I'M sure you saw the Dutch Tabloid and it mentioned he left the island on a speedboat..Who's is it? This is not some simple vacation for a couple of days or weeks and I do not believe for one second his parents are paying for all of this.

I really have no idea...but you can live on Thailand for a VERY long time with little money. It's very, very cheap there for Dutch people. The flight itself isn't but staying there hardly costs anything.

Compared to Europe it is cheap,however these resort islands are not cheap nor is alcohol,food,speed boats,drugs and cigs,internet,entertainment or hotels. I have been to Phuket Thailand and Bangkok 3 times and there is a big difference in what you spend depending on the location. If he is living like a local then he could stretch money a very long time..But he will not be very happy if he is hidden away in some small town with no Americans or Europeans to party with or missing out on all the comforts he demands.

[Dayhiker]

I think Nico Jorge was tring to send Paulus a message as were his fellow judges when they denied his compensation. I think they were saying, "Hey, we got you out of this mess, enough is enough!"
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I think so also Dayhiker! Remember he got greedy,he was already awarded money but he wanted more! Nico knew about the crucial evidence that KJ never presented till the end and he had to sit through months of PVDS and his lawyer lying through there teeth and trying to prosper off of it. He is one arrogant SOB and he is not afraid to insult people in front of his peers.

There are a few honest hard working people in that justice dept and Govt and I bet they absolutely despise this man! One of them retired yesterday and the man that bitchslapped him in public is leaving in 2 weeks,the rest of them mind there own business because they all know who he is connected to. The Arubans aren't stupid and you can rest assured this man is hated.

It doesn't take all of them to be corrupt, just a few in the right places and I think that is what happened. They had the right cops, the right prosecutor, the right judges all lined up to screw the case in the Van der Sloot's favor. The honest ones are just worthless sheep who sat back and let them go crazy. They looked the other way. The only time those sheep ever showed they had any semblance of balls was well after the fact during Pustus' appeal. By then it was too late. Nobody on that rat hole of an island ever stood up for justice.

[GBMW]

On this site: http://www.prive.nl/

The tabloid Prive will have another article on Joran this coming week (will be out today / tomorrow):

Peter R. de Vries is now after Joran and his dad.

Part of the editorial from Evert Santegoeds:

Veel reacties kreeg ik vorige week op onze foto’s van JORAN VAN DER SLOOT in Thailand. Hoe kon dit nou dat een mogelijke moordenaar zo’n leven leidt? Wie betaalt dat allemaal? En - nog vaker gesteld - wie maakt er een einde aan? Ik denk dat ik het antwoord op die laatste vraag wel weet. En de naam zal u niet verbazen. Ik begrijp dat PETER R. DE VRIES zint op een zinderende nieuwe uitzending rond Joran... én zijn vader! Wordt vervolgd. En laat dát nu eens gelden voor iedereen die NATALEE liet verdwijnen.
 

I got a lot of reactions about our photos of Joran van der Sloot in Thailand. How can it be that a possible murderer is living such a live? Who is paying for all of this? And, even asked more, who will end it? I think I have the answer to that last question.
And the name wouldn't surprise you. I understand that Peter R. de Vries is trying to make another spectacular show around Joran...and his dad! Will be continued (it says vervolgd wich also means prosecuted). And let this happen to everyone who made Natalee dissapear (he means prosecuted).