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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2008, 03:36:10 PM »

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Thanks for tracking that down for us...you are the Ringy Dingy Queen!

Only KLAAS knows my secrets...heh heh heh....

but YW Lala's...you do the same in your work Sweetie Wink
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2008, 03:36:37 PM »

Still on the other thread and not caught up as usual, I just wanted to say . . .

There has been much speculation regarding Joran's 'missing package,' when it can be so easily explained.

It got caught in a 'MONKEY GRINDER'!

 





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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2008, 03:37:25 PM »

UPDATE!!

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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2008, 03:39:58 PM »

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....
My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2008, 03:42:53 PM »

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....



Destiny - Thanks for the info from the police.  Here's the Holiday Inn number.  I just sent them an email with my concerns that another one of their guests has been gang raped.  The email connection is directly from their website.

Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
ARUBA-BEACH RESORT & CASINO
J. E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD #230
ARUBA, ARUBA
Hotel Front Desk: 297-58-63600 | Hotel Fax: 297-58-65165
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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2008, 03:49:19 PM »

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....
My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.

Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2008, 03:54:45 PM »

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.


I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....
My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.




NBC in New York has been notified.
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2008, 04:02:05 PM »

so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT*
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After the fact? Was she suppose to report a rape before it happened? Why is it in Aruba when someone is gangraped by multiple people it is always consensual? Was it consensual when the 16 yr old girl was gangraped and filmed by her classmates and forced to move off of Aruba? Is it consensual when a woman is drugged and raped in Aruba? Does she lose all rights because it happened in Aruba,its bad for there tourism and she agreed to vacation there?

You would be hard pressed to find a more wholesome 18 year old then Natalee and thats why they abandoned the BS that she had sex with all 3 of them before dissapearing. They even had to abandon the BS that she was drunk,unconscious and doing drugs because that would be a crime as well.

There must be 100's of video's and photo's in Aruba of sexual conquests by the locals. Druggings,gang rapes and even consensual sex,for them to remember there conquests of the Tourists. I'M sure Mr.Pink and certain pimps had quite the library going in the short time they were doing this.

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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2008, 04:02:44 PM »

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.




Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2008, 04:04:56 PM »


Posted by Destiny in the previous thread:

KLAAS...just got off the phone...you are not gonna believe this!!!  Please promise me that you will take this over to the new thread, when you lock this one K?

Straight from the mouth of the ALE...The rape victim is a US/American tourist...early 30's...staying at Holiday Inn...went to Moombas Bar...there ALE said she got very drunk...then left with THREE guys and went to the beach with them at night...TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM...sheesh...

This part reels my mind!!!...ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of the guys...sworn statements from the guys are all the same to this account...the American tourist woman only got mad when the 3 guys started taking pictures of her...so she has filed a false report to get the 3 guys in trouble...I DON'T FU*KIN' BELIEVE IT!!!

Also...they are trying to talk her out of filing charges against the 3 guys...but, she wants to pursue the charges...but...ALE told me that she got herself into this situation by getting drunk at Moombas...and leaving with 3 guys she didn't know...and ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of them...


Klaas...I will send to your banana basket the name and number of the ALE dude who told me all of this...

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JAMIE SKEETERS' RECORDING

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“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too,” he said. “Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes."

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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2008, 04:05:42 PM »

so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT*
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After the fact? Was she suppose to report a rape before it happened? Why is it in Aruba when someone is gangraped by multiple people it always consensual?


That their twisted logic *******. This is a Dutch male dominated society on Aruba and women don't count for shit. They are strictly their pleasure toys and when one gets raped they accuse her of wanting it.
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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2008, 04:11:41 PM »


Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.
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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2008, 04:15:55 PM »

I wonder if they checked her for signs of date-rape drugs?  Perhaps ALE retained the picture/videos for evidence that she was unable to give consent?
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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2008, 04:17:22 PM »

Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...
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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2008, 04:21:37 PM »


Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.

How about some suggestions?

When a customer is "acting all crazy" maybe someone should call the ALE, Visibility Team, Tourist Police, or 911 for help?  Don't let them leave with strangers.

Anyone check for date rape drugs?

Maybe guys (and girls) should be taught avoid people who are "acting all crazy"?

Maybe you shouldn't take pictures?

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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2008, 04:26:32 PM »

Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.
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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2008, 04:27:54 PM »


Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.

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TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

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Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.

How about some suggestions?

When a customer is "acting all crazy" maybe someone should call the ALE, Visibility Team, Tourist Police, or 911 for help?  Don't let them leave with strangers.

Anyone check for date rape drugs?

Maybe guys (and girls) should be taught avoid people who are "acting all crazy"?

Maybe you shouldn't take pictures?

jmho


Here's another suggestion. Aruba needs to start prosecuting their rapists and giving them serious prison time. These three guys probably took a page of of Joran's blame-the-victim handbook and knew the Aruban government and Police would protect them, and the Dutch judges if it ever got to court.
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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2008, 04:33:39 PM »


Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.


I agree SS, they are just as guilty. They need to get this girl off the island FAST and back to the States. We know Aruba won't investigate it or charge anyone. They need to be tried in the U.S. media again. Thanks for sending out those alerts!
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« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2008, 04:36:17 PM »

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.




Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.

 

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