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« Reply #760 on: June 18, 2008, 07:15:44 AM »

For those that are not familiar with the Domino case..It involves wire tapping that led to the arrests of Luis Mansur,his partner Ochoa,that CMB bank employee,Ricardo Yarzagaray, and MR Leito. As you may recall Mansur was blaming a pilot named Tromp for setting up the wire tap of Ochoas car. The big news that last two days was that Luis Mansur's Lawyer Duinveld is now in jail for bank fraud and connected to this group. They are all part of a very big drug trafficking and money laundering gang and suspected of other major crimes.

What is interesting is Paul Van Der Sloot is representing one of them and he is saying it was illegal and infringed on there privacy, and said the prosecutions behavior was criminal because they deliberately violated the law. I am sure he will try to have the case thrown out. The OM is saying they used the wire tapping as a last resort after exhasting all efforts and it is permitted in the NL. I believe the case continues on July 4th.

*******, which one is Paulus representing?
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« Reply #761 on: June 18, 2008, 08:02:54 AM »

For those that are not familiar with the Domino case..It involves wire tapping that led to the arrests of Luis Mansur,his partner Ochoa,that CMB bank employee,Ricardo Yarzagaray, and MR Leito. As you may recall Mansur was blaming a pilot named Tromp for setting up the wire tap of Ochoas car. The big news that last two days was that Luis Mansur's Lawyer Duinveld is now in jail for bank fraud and connected to this group. They are all part of a very big drug trafficking and money laundering gang and suspected of other major crimes.

What is interesting is Paul Van Der Sloot is representing one of them and he is saying it was illegal and infringed on there privacy, and said the prosecutions behavior was criminal because they deliberately violated the law. I am sure he will try to have the case thrown out. The OM is saying they used the wire tapping as a last resort after exhasting all efforts and it is permitted in the NL. I believe the case continues on July 4th.

*******, which one is Paulus representing?

Good Morning! He is representing MR Leito.
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« Reply #762 on: June 18, 2008, 08:03:55 AM »

The name Bruin means a baby brown bear. It comes from the name of the bear in a translation of a Dutch story about Reynard the fox. Bruin is the Dutch word ...
www.dooyoo.co.uk/toys/bruin-peek-in-roller/ - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

So yes...Bruin can/does mean Brown...

Destiny...Good Morning!


Good Morning Destiny!...would you believe I saw the Brown=Bruin in a Shango key? Al Lacle=Key...LOL ... of course you would!

Would be really interested to know if that Anky Bruin is the guy from the Mansur case and the same as now with AHATA!

Question...did you ever get anywhere with Melody? Any phone contact? TIA

Kermie...sent me some contact info...still following up...also have someone in Aruba...helping me with that...will keep you posted Wink




Thanks Destiny...I believe that Melody has the lowdown on Freddy and did not want to interfere with what you have going on! She was one that posted a lot of what I believe to be misinformation on him in the early days!

I also think that the 'I came here first' post from RWV was her doing, and was indeed a warning!


Morning Mum.  What kind of a warning...and to whom?  tia
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« Reply #763 on: June 18, 2008, 08:10:54 AM »

Thank you SM, for getting me back in. 
Two or three times I've been out in the cold...might have something to do with aol
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« Reply #764 on: June 18, 2008, 08:17:17 AM »

Destiny,
Have read your posts with great interest.  Waiting, as others are for the next update.
Lily Tomlin has/had nothing on you girl!!! 
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« Reply #765 on: June 18, 2008, 08:27:13 AM »

The name Bruin means a baby brown bear. It comes from the name of the bear in a translation of a Dutch story about Reynard the fox. Bruin is the Dutch word ...
www.dooyoo.co.uk/toys/bruin-peek-in-roller/ - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

So yes...Bruin can/does mean Brown...

Destiny...Good Morning!


Good Morning Destiny!...would you believe I saw the Brown=Bruin in a Shango key? Al Lacle=Key...LOL ... of course you would!

Would be really interested to know if that Anky Bruin is the guy from the Mansur case and the same as now with AHATA!

Question...did you ever get anywhere with Melody? Any phone contact? TIA

Kermie...sent me some contact info...still following up...also have someone in Aruba...helping me with that...will keep you posted Wink




Thanks Destiny...I believe that Melody has the lowdown on Freddy and did not want to interfere with what you have going on! She was one that posted a lot of what I believe to be misinformation on him in the early days!

I also think that the 'I came here first' post from RWV was her doing, and was indeed a warning!


Morning Mum.  What kind of a warning...and to whom?  tia

Good Morning can...A warning to Joran that she will tell what she knows...as I said she put out a lot of what I believe to be misinformation about Freddy in posts! We always say that Freddy knows...Melody knows... IMO
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« Reply #766 on: June 18, 2008, 08:35:32 AM »

The name Bruin means a baby brown bear. It comes from the name of the bear in a translation of a Dutch story about Reynard the fox. Bruin is the Dutch word ...
www.dooyoo.co.uk/toys/bruin-peek-in-roller/ - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

So yes...Bruin can/does mean Brown...

Destiny...Good Morning!


Good Morning Destiny!...would you believe I saw the Brown=Bruin in a Shango key? Al Lacle=Key...LOL ... of course you would!

Would be really interested to know if that Anky Bruin is the guy from the Mansur case and the same as now with AHATA!

Question...did you ever get anywhere with Melody? Any phone contact? TIA

Kermie...sent me some contact info...still following up...also have someone in Aruba...helping me with that...will keep you posted Wink




Thanks Destiny...I believe that Melody has the lowdown on Freddy and did not want to interfere with what you have going on! She was one that posted a lot of what I believe to be misinformation on him in the early days!

I also think that the 'I came here first' post from RWV was her doing, and was indeed a warning!


Morning Mum.  What kind of a warning...and to whom?  tia

Good Morning can...A warning to Joran that she will tell what she knows...as I said she put out a lot of what I believe to be misinformation about Freddy in posts! We always say that Freddy knows...Melody knows... IMO
Thanks Mum.  I recall her many posts at RWV.  I wonder why she would warn him.  Wish she would just spill the beans!
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« Reply #767 on: June 18, 2008, 08:36:34 AM »

Brown, who at the CMB Bank works as information specialist, has appealed to the court on his silence. The afluistergesprekken and declarations would, in the OM already obtained sufficient evidence that Brown has been guilty of smuggling and selling drugs. Against the suspect F.R.A. was last Friday also demanded three years in prison because of drug smuggling, sales and coca´nebezit. YJSM has been sentenced to 16 months cell for her share in the sale, export and transport of cocaine during the period 15 through June 22, 2007.

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Good Morning Early Bird Mum Smile

I may be mistaken but I thought when I first posted his name was AM Bruin,who was a CMB Bank employee who was complaining that he wanted to remain silent. Then the next article said his name was AM Brown. It would not suprise me if he is in AHATA but I am not sure,is this guys first name Anky?

Luis Mansur and PVDS are on the same side in this case,I suspect they are also part of the same Cartel. This will be interesting to follow as Dean Wix the head of the Aruban BAR is also against the prosecution and is saying the wire tapping was all done illegally.
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« Reply #768 on: June 18, 2008, 08:43:01 AM »

Airfare hikes, capacity cuts start to pinch Las Vegas

By William Spain, MarketWatch
Last update: 2:30 p.m. EDT June 16, 2008

 -- Soaring fuel prices are starting to hit home in Las Vegas as cash-strapped airlines hike fares and cut capacity at McCarran International Airport - Sin City's tourism lifeline - leading to pressure on room rates and lower spending levels by visitors.

US Airways and United are among the carriers curtailing flights to Vegas and there are predictions that total capacity could be down by double-digits percentages or more by autumn, following declines of 3% and 6% in the first and second quarters, respectively. At the same time, the average cost of plane tickets jumped more than 10% in March, according to the Bureau of Labor - and that may pinch even more.

US Airways alone will chop its capacity in half starting in September, reducing it by 7,200 seats a day while eliminating its entire night hub operation based in Las Vegas. Wachovia's Brian McGill estimated that could - taking into account load factors and connecting passengers - reduce by 5%, or 1.9 million people, annually.
That cut was far higher than anticipated, McGill noted, as "previously, we believed that the capacity [cuts] coming out of Las Vegas could be 12% across the entire industry."

But now, "it is quite possible it could eventually be greater than a 15% capacity reduction into Las Vegas."


If it's like this for domestic hotspots like Vegas, think of what it's like for Screwruba.

 
LOL....and those gas/fuel prices aint going anywhere but UP so it's only going to get worse for aruba.Most people who can/will travel,will just do it closer to home and not go to dusty,dirty and corrupt aruba.
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« Reply #769 on: June 18, 2008, 08:48:36 AM »

Brown, who at the CMB Bank works as information specialist, has appealed to the court on his silence. The afluistergesprekken and declarations would, in the OM already obtained sufficient evidence that Brown has been guilty of smuggling and selling drugs. Against the suspect F.R.A. was last Friday also demanded three years in prison because of drug smuggling, sales and coca´nebezit. YJSM has been sentenced to 16 months cell for her share in the sale, export and transport of cocaine during the period 15 through June 22, 2007.

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Good Morning Early Bird Mum Smile

I may be mistaken but I thought when I first posted his name was AM Bruin,who was a CMB Bank employee who was complaining that he wanted to remain silent. Then the next article said his name was AM Brown. It would not suprise me if he is in AHATA but I am not sure,is this guys first name Anky?

Luis Mansur and PVDS are on the same side in this case,I suspect they are also part of the same Cartel. This will be interesting to follow as Dean Wix the head of the Aruban BAR is also against the prosecution and is saying the wire tapping was all done illegally.

Good Morning *******...back on track...thank goodness!

I think you and Rob posted articles that had the Brown and the next morning I found the one I reposted with the A.M. Bruin...I found it this morning so I should be able to go back a couple of pages and find your's and Rob's posts. I will have a quick look!
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« Reply #770 on: June 18, 2008, 08:50:04 AM »

did we know that Paul van der Sloot is attorney to M.R. Leito in the Domino-case?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43207.php

(this is an article about illegal wiretapping done by the Aruban OM, i am particularly interested in this because Patrick van der Eem wasn't passed on to Aruba for use as a civilian undercover agent because Aruba can't legally use special investigation methods - such as wiretapping.

Aruba hasn't got the BOB-law implemented. this is a recurring disagreement between Rudy Croes and the dutch justice minister. BOB-law was needed because use of undercover agents was nearly impossible due to strict rules set after undercover agents got rich of drug smuggling - the so called IRT-affair.)


in this article Paul van der Sloot is calling the OM 'criminal', because 'they violated the law on purpose'.

i think PvdS is just trying to get back at Nico J÷rg here for embarrassing him last year.
That is interesting Caesu.I noticed Luis Mansur's name in that article.
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« Reply #771 on: June 18, 2008, 08:52:58 AM »

Can...I don't recall what Joran did around that time of that post, but it was something! I think she was/is mad. Not so sure she will tell though!

I keep meaning to try and read more of those old posts at RWV, but just don't have enough time!
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« Reply #772 on: June 18, 2008, 08:53:43 AM »

For those that are not familiar with the Domino case..It involves wire tapping that led to the arrests of Luis Mansur,his partner Ochoa,that CMB bank employee,Ricardo Yarzagaray, and MR Leito. As you may recall Mansur was blaming a pilot named Tromp for setting up the wire tap of Ochoas car. The big news that last two days was that Luis Mansur's Lawyer Duinveld is now in jail for bank fraud and connected to this group. They are all part of a very big drug trafficking and money laundering gang and suspected of other major crimes.

What is interesting is Paul Van Der Sloot is representing one of them and he is saying it was illegal and infringed on there privacy, and said the prosecutions behavior was criminal because they deliberately violated the law. I am sure he will try to have the case thrown out. The OM is saying they used the wire tapping as a last resort after exhasting all efforts and it is permitted in the NL. I believe the case continues on July 4th.
Ahh,thank you for explaining that *******.Did this case happen on aruba or the NL?IF wiretapping is illegal on aruba,why were they saying that they wiretapped j2k in the beginning of this case?
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« Reply #773 on: June 18, 2008, 08:55:26 AM »

I thought this may interest those that were in Boston and met Rob Smith and Juan Keytor. In this article they are promoting the Mob Hotel Brickel Bay owned by gangster Michael Posner. Other recent articles have shown these cheap worthless awards and certificates being handed out mostly to the elderly who own time shares,the awards were given out by another AHATA member in Boston. He was in the AHATA band playing the guitar and is in plenty of pictures from the last two Boston protests.


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« Reply #774 on: June 18, 2008, 09:00:36 AM »

For those that are not familiar with the Domino case..It involves wire tapping that led to the arrests of Luis Mansur,his partner Ochoa,that CMB bank employee,Ricardo Yarzagaray, and MR Leito. As you may recall Mansur was blaming a pilot named Tromp for setting up the wire tap of Ochoas car. The big news that last two days was that Luis Mansur's Lawyer Duinveld is now in jail for bank fraud and connected to this group. They are all part of a very big drug trafficking and money laundering gang and suspected of other major crimes.

What is interesting is Paul Van Der Sloot is representing one of them and he is saying it was illegal and infringed on there privacy, and said the prosecutions behavior was criminal because they deliberately violated the law. I am sure he will try to have the case thrown out. The OM is saying they used the wire tapping as a last resort after exhasting all efforts and it is permitted in the NL. I believe the case continues on July 4th.
Ahh,thank you for explaining that *******.Did this case happen on aruba or the NL?IF wiretapping is illegal on aruba,why were they saying that they wiretapped j2k in the beginning of this case?
It happened in Aruba..Thats a damn good question about the wiretapping done in the beginning of the case on PVDS. He is calling the OM criminal in 2008 for doing that against his client,but I dont recall a word about that being illegal when he was denied more money and then any money by the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #775 on: June 18, 2008, 09:04:21 AM »

Can...I don't recall what Joran did around that time of that post, but it was something! I think she was/is mad. Not so sure she will tell though!

I keep meaning to try and read more of those old posts at RWV, but just don't have enough time!
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« Reply #776 on: June 18, 2008, 09:07:07 AM »

For those that are not familiar with the Domino case..It involves wire tapping that led to the arrests of Luis Mansur,his partner Ochoa,that CMB bank employee,Ricardo Yarzagaray, and MR Leito. As you may recall Mansur was blaming a pilot named Tromp for setting up the wire tap of Ochoas car. The big news that last two days was that Luis Mansur's Lawyer Duinveld is now in jail for bank fraud and connected to this group. They are all part of a very big drug trafficking and money laundering gang and suspected of other major crimes.

What is interesting is Paul Van Der Sloot is representing one of them and he is saying it was illegal and infringed on there privacy, and said the prosecutions behavior was criminal because they deliberately violated the law. I am sure he will try to have the case thrown out. The OM is saying they used the wire tapping as a last resort after exhasting all efforts and it is permitted in the NL. I believe the case continues on July 4th.
Ahh,thank you for explaining that *******.Did this case happen on aruba or the NL?IF wiretapping is illegal on aruba,why were they saying that they wiretapped j2k in the beginning of this case?
It happened in Aruba..Thats a damn good question about the wiretapping done in the beginning of the case on PVDS. He is calling the OM criminal in 2008 for doing that against his client,but I dont recall a word about that being illegal when he was denied more money and then any money by the Supreme Court.
Maybe pvds is trying to win this point, set a precedent and if Joran ever goes to trial, use it to have ale's wiretap evidence discarded.
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« Reply #778 on: June 18, 2008, 09:23:05 AM »

For those that are not familiar with the Domino case..It involves wire tapping that led to the arrests of Luis Mansur,his partner Ochoa,that CMB bank employee,Ricardo Yarzagaray, and MR Leito. As you may recall Mansur was blaming a pilot named Tromp for setting up the wire tap of Ochoas car. The big news that last two days was that Luis Mansur's Lawyer Duinveld is now in jail for bank fraud and connected to this group. They are all part of a very big drug trafficking and money laundering gang and suspected of other major crimes.

What is interesting is Paul Van Der Sloot is representing one of them and he is saying it was illegal and infringed on there privacy, and said the prosecutions behavior was criminal because they deliberately violated the law. I am sure he will try to have the case thrown out. The OM is saying they used the wire tapping as a last resort after exhasting all efforts and it is permitted in the NL. I believe the case continues on July 4th.
Ahh,thank you for explaining that *******.Did this case happen on aruba or the NL?IF wiretapping is illegal on aruba,why were they saying that they wiretapped j2k in the beginning of this case?
It happened in Aruba..Thats a damn good question about the wiretapping done in the beginning of the case on PVDS. He is calling the OM criminal in 2008 for doing that against his client,but I dont recall a word about that being illegal when he was denied more money and then any money by the Supreme Court.
Ha,as far as WE know paulus never got any money.But they seem to tell us whatever they please while they do whatever they please in quiet.
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« Reply #779 on: June 18, 2008, 09:24:48 AM »

So that body that washed ashore was a Colombian drug lord? 
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