Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 - 6/18/08

[GBMW]

Welcome back GBMW

Do you travel or do anything exciting on your Holiday?

Thanks *******!

We had an amazing trip. Started in LA, drove the Highway1 to San Fransisco. San Juan Island (whale watching!), The Rocky Mountains / Yellowstone where we saw some amazing wildlife and last but not least: New York....and now home again.....and back to work . My head is filled with the incredible impressions so I'm still a bit restless.

Holland is doing a good job in the European Championship (soccer) so the country is orange all over! I'm not a big soccerfan but during these tournaments I like the atmosphere it brings. America is no soccercountry so I'm glad to be home to be able to watch the matches...the quarter finales that will be this Saturday (for the Netherlands) will be very exciting.

Have you settled in your new place already?

*******, I know you've been on FOK as well...do you remember or can you find the posts of Duikkie concerning the driving route of Deepak? I know Duikkie had some good posts about that but can't find them anymore....

Or Johan...maybe you can find them? I'll keep looking anyway...

wb GBMW

yes yes i can find them 
Duikkie is a real  detective !!He or She  ::MonkeyConfused::had some good posts
i am there every day on fok, thread 18 now
Duikkie was taking about this area and i am busy on Google earth to make some good shots . this area is C&C and the busstation !

Great! Which thread is it in? Duikkie has been busy so I can't find the posts I was looking for.

[johan555]

Gielen wa are waiting for your film 
Before the Summer ?? huh ?

[johan555]

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Great! Which thread is it in? Duikkie has been busy so I can't find the posts I was looking for.
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it starts in thead (draad) 15  he/she  is a real freak 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Well at least someone did try and cover this 3rd body up.So it seems aruba is going with the story that these 3 bodies are those swim away Columbian drug guys....what will they do if tomorrow another body shows up?What if a body a day shows up for a few weeks.....at this point I wouldn't mind seeing joran and paulus's bloated bodies on a aruba beach:::::feeling kinda evil today:::::

And your nic has something to do with karma? What will it do to your karma wishing such things on other people?

Hey,hi there GBMW
I didn't wish that on joran and paulus.....I said I wouldn't mind seeing them that way.......I didn't say I would be the one to DO that to them.That's just the way karma works.
O:)

You don't want to kill them but you wouldn't mind to see their bloating bodies? Doesn't this mean you somewhat wish them dead?
Yes,I guess so then
Either way....I can think of much prettier things that I would like to see on the beach

Not on an aruban beach,not me,I'd rather see what I stated above.
GMBW,have you heard anything about the 2(alledged)rapes on aruba recently?

[johan555]

Here a reaction for the RG film

dennisintn, 31-05-2008 - u.s.a.

stay tuned. gielen's next major work will be the definitive and totally accurate beyond belief of the effect godzilla has been having on the vanishments of tourists and locals on the happy island. gielen will again be aided by renfro of aruba who has intimate contact with scores of taxi drivers who possess 27 languages and photographic memories. the u.s. and dutch navies are expressing great interest as well as the tourism depts. of all caribbean islands who can see wonderful advantages in being able to use godzilla to both enhance their sightseeing potential and to easily explain any lost tourists or locals and still be able to maintain that they are crime free and perfectly safe venues for tourists. gielen and renfro have both expressed great satisfaction with their efforts and results since throwing off the chains of fact, truth, history, and common sense that bind most serious journalists but are completely useless in their efforts.


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[KarmaRoundUp]

KarmaRoundUp wrote;

LOL BB!
But on a more serious note,I think they should not be published till at least they are ID'd and thier families notified.

That is very true. But think of this...maybe showing the tattoo helps ID them? But you are certianly correct.

That's very true but they could have taken pictures of just their tatts and maybe showed just that till the families are found or notified.Just looks real indecent to splash that in their newspapers.

[Tamikosmom]

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*******, I know you've been on FOK as well...do you remember or can you find the posts of Duikkie concerning the driving route of Deepak? I know Duikkie had some good posts about that but can't find them anymore....

Or Johan...maybe you can find them? I'll keep looking anyway...

DRIVING ROUTE - MARRIOT BEACH ACCOUNT

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

1.  I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”. When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.

2.  I decided to turn left into the Weststraat in the direction of “Choose a Name”. On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there.

The girl stuck her head out of the window and yelled something. I had not heard what she had yelled.  As to your question if I recognised anyone from this group, I can say the following. It was the same group I saw outside of “Carlos & Charlie”. I also remember a boy that walked up to the car and said to Natalee in English “Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy” (loosely translated by reporting officer: Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy).

3.  I properly drove on and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing in the vicinity of the “Royal Plaza”.

I had then said to the girl that if your friends think it is better that you go with them, then that would be the better thing to do. The girl had said to me that no I am staying with you guys. I then called Joran by his name. He dit not answer. He was talking to the girl.

4.  I called Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES".

5.  After that I drove in the direction of the “Renaissance Hotel".

6.  There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends.

When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about “Sharks” and “Lighthouse”. That is what I had heard. Joran then said “Lighthouse”. I knew at that moment that I had to drive to the “Lighthouse”.

7.  I rolled up the windows and put the airconditioning on and drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

On the way to the "Lighthouse" me and my brother sat in front and talked and Joran and the girl were in the back and talked. I could not hear what they were talking about.

8.  At approximately where the “La Cabana Hotel” was, Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes in it.

The girl said in English “Oh my God, whats that” (loosely translated by reporting officer: Oh my God, What is that). I then said to Joran in English: “Now she is going to think that we're perverts (loosely translated by reporting officer: Now the girls is going to think we are perverts). After a while Joran said to Satish in Dutch. “Switch off the DVD, she has had enough of it. Satish complied with the request.

9.  I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi.  When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee.

10.  Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

11.  Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”.

Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving.

12.  After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car.

13.  After that I drove down the road towards Arashi. Arriving at the Smith Boulevard on the section of road that has no lighting, I asked Joran if I should head back to town. Joran said no, no, let me out here. That was in the vicinity of the “Marriot Hotel”. I asked, where is here. He said here.

14.  I turned into a side street.

To your question as to what kind of a road it was, I can say the following. I am not sure if it was a sand/dirt road or a paved road. I am willing to show you where the street is that I just mentioned.

15.  As to your question how far I drove into the afore mentioned street, I can say the following, I think I drove about 55 yards into that street. Joran said that I should let him out there. After that I brought my car to a full stop.

Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand.

16.  I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house. I do remember that in front of the “Marriot Hotel”

Satish asked me to stop momentarily. I did what he asked me, Satish rolled down his window and threw out the two “Yards”.

17.  After that we drove until we got to the roundabout near “Texaco Sasakr”.

18.  At the roundabout I headed due east in the direction of my house at Hooiberg.
 
To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.

[GBMW]

Well at least someone did try and cover this 3rd body up.So it seems aruba is going with the story that these 3 bodies are those swim away Columbian drug guys....what will they do if tomorrow another body shows up?What if a body a day shows up for a few weeks.....at this point I wouldn't mind seeing joran and paulus's bloated bodies on a aruba beach:::::feeling kinda evil today:::::

And your nic has something to do with karma? What will it do to your karma wishing such things on other people?

Hey,hi there GBMW
I didn't wish that on joran and paulus.....I said I wouldn't mind seeing them that way.......I didn't say I would be the one to DO that to them.That's just the way karma works.
O:)

You don't want to kill them but you wouldn't mind to see their bloating bodies? Doesn't this mean you somewhat wish them dead?
Yes,I guess so then
Either way....I can think of much prettier things that I would like to see on the beach

Not on an aruban beach,not me,I'd rather see what I stated above.
GMBW,have you heard anything about the 2(alledged)rapes on aruba recently?

Have heard about yeah....just awful. But rape doesn't only happen on Aruba....it certainly wouldn't be a reason for me not to go to Aruba....I just think there are prettier islands to visit so if I would want an island / beachholiday I'd rather visit one of those

[johan555]

There is something with that area
They changed some traffic signs and lights
here another vieuw

[johan555]

Have heard about yeah....just awful. But rape doesn't only happen on Aruba....it certainly wouldn't be a reason for me not to go to Aruba....I just think there are prettier islands to visit so if I would want an island / beachholiday I'd rather visit one of those
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GBMW
They have to give every female tourist a rape drug tester  on Aruba
They have to close some dancings over there
We ( the Netherlands ) must stop to give them monny !!

[Observer]

Welcome back GBMW

Do you travel or do anything exciting on your Holiday?

Thanks *******!

We had an amazing trip. Started in LA, drove the Highway1 to San Fransisco. San Juan Island (whale watching!), The Rocky Mountains / Yellowstone where we saw some amazing wildlife and last but not least: New York....and now home again.....and back to work . My head is filled with the incredible impressions so I'm still a bit restless.

Holland is doing a good job in the European Championship (soccer) so the country is orange all over! I'm not a big soccerfan but during these tournaments I like the atmosphere it brings. America is no soccercountry so I'm glad to be home to be able to watch the matches...the quarter finales that will be this Saturday (for the Netherlands) will be very exciting.

Have you settled in your new place already?

*******, I know you've been on FOK as well...do you remember or can you find the posts of Duikkie concerning the driving route of Deepak? I know Duikkie had some good posts about that but can't find them anymore....

Or Johan...maybe you can find them? I'll keep looking anyway...

Sounds like a Amazing trip and I bet every Dutch citizen would be very jealous,also us Americans All the places you named are great places to visit,I have seen them all except Yellowstone and that is in my plans this summer. I hope you took a lot of pictures as that sounds like a once in a lifetime trip. I bet you enjoyed the Rockies! I know for sure most Dutchies would love that part of the trip. As you know it's hard to get away from people and see open areas or Mountains in Holland 

Yes I am settled in my new home and I have been exploring on the weekends..Thanks!

[Tamikosmom]

INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

Inquiring mind want to know why Deepak failed to mention in his declaration regarding the "quick stop" which his attorney revealed.  This omission is very suspicious.  I assume that David Kock's words must have had a foundation in relation to his clients and ... the establishment CHOOSE A NAME is approximately a block away from Carlos & Charlies'.

Janet

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DRIVING ROUTE - MARRIOT BEACH ACCOUNT

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

1.  I had driven twice around “Carlos and Charlies”. When we came to the end of our second drive around I saw the people of the “Visibility Team” stand on the corner of the road that lead in front of the afore mentioned establishment.

2.  I decided to turn left into the Weststraat in the direction of “Choose a Name”.  On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there.

3.  I properly drove on and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing in the vicinity of the “Royal Plaza”.

4.  I called Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES".

5.  After that I drove in the direction of the “Renaissance Hotel".

6.  There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends.

7.  I rolled up the windows and put the airconditioning on and drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse” ...


David Kock
Birmingham News - Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, said his client told him that van der Sloot asked the Kalpoe brothers to pick him up Sunday night so he could meet up with Holloway and her classmates at Carlos'n Charlie's, a popular watering hole in the capital, Oranjestad.

They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town, Kock said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1118481459238090.xml&coll=2

http://gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article7CC45D48DBE746FDAC4CA487F0C3448B.asp

[johan555]

we have a open area for Joran *******   

[Tamikosmom]

Have heard about yeah....just awful. But rape doesn't only happen on Aruba....it certainly wouldn't be a reason for me not to go to Aruba....I just think there are prettier islands to visit so if I would want an island / beachholiday I'd rather visit one of those

johan

The boycott is not about an eighteen year American girl going missing under suspicious circumstances while on a vacation in Aruba ... it is about the perception of a corrupt investigation that is denying a victim justice which she entitled to under both Dutch and American law.

This is the reason why Beth Holloway established "Safe Travels" foundation.  Her foundation is meant to educate/ warn other "Natalees" and their families that the justice system in some travel destinations may not necessarily be on the side of justice ... conflicts of interests may prevent justice from prevailing.

Something akin to the Aruban investigation into the disappearance of her daughter.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Pages 209 & 210

Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...

[Observer]

we have a open area for Joran *******   

Since he says he is King of the Seas I think its a great place to send him 

[johan555]

Tamikosmom     these are not my words 

Have heard about yeah....just awful. But rape doesn't only happen on Aruba....it certainly wouldn't be a reason for me not to go to Aruba....I just think there are prettier islands to visit so if I would want an island / beachholiday I'd rather visit one of those

we must boycot Aruba  also in Europe

[bleachedblack]

KarmaRoundUp wrote;

LOL BB!
But on a more serious note,I think they should not be published till at least they are ID'd and thier families notified.

That is very true. But think of this...maybe showing the tattoo helps ID them? But you are certianly correct.

That's very true but they could have taken pictures of just their tatts and maybe showed just that till the families are found or notified.Just looks real indecent to splash that in their newspapers.

You are right about that, I just have a different view.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Well at least someone did try and cover this 3rd body up.So it seems aruba is going with the story that these 3 bodies are those swim away Columbian drug guys....what will they do if tomorrow another body shows up?What if a body a day shows up for a few weeks.....at this point I wouldn't mind seeing joran and paulus's bloated bodies on a aruba beach:::::feeling kinda evil today:::::

And your nic has something to do with karma? What will it do to your karma wishing such things on other people?

Hey,hi there GBMW
I didn't wish that on joran and paulus.....I said I wouldn't mind seeing them that way.......I didn't say I would be the one to DO that to them.That's just the way karma works.
O:)

You don't want to kill them but you wouldn't mind to see their bloating bodies? Doesn't this mean you somewhat wish them dead?
Yes,I guess so then
Either way....I can think of much prettier things that I would like to see on the beach

Not on an aruban beach,not me,I'd rather see what I stated above.
GMBW,have you heard anything about the 2(alledged)rapes on aruba recently?

Have heard about yeah....just awful. But rape doesn't only happen on Aruba....it certainly wouldn't be a reason for me not to go to Aruba....I just think there are prettier islands to visit so if I would want an island / beachholiday I'd rather visit one of those

Never said rape only happens on aruba,I'm just sticking with the thread topic.I would rather go anywhere in the world except aruba.

[Rob]

[KarmaRoundUp]

we have a open area for Joran *******   

Since he says he is King of the Seas I think its a great place to send him 

Yeah,on a little row boat with no oars