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« Reply #100 on: June 19, 2008, 08:49:31 AM »

If this offends anyone let me know and I will delete the picture. I am posting it because I wanted to show how skeletal the remains are and I am not so sure the other body was in the water as long as this one.


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Whoa,is this a image of the 2nd body to wash up or the 3rd?

Karma - I think they only showed two bodies. The third was not placed on the net. They probably have the images, but did not load them. I think AWE24 has some type of automatic uploader used from the point of origin. They are able to load on site. So, maybe it's a satellite connection. Not sure, but they seem to upload on site.
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« Reply #101 on: June 19, 2008, 08:53:15 AM »

I don't know how I missed the graffiti on the shoe. I probably just had the 2 pics that jackb "enhanced" on my mind. I have to agree that this is the reason there has been a REALLY big "to do" about the shoes. Those shoes are about as rare as a finger print and stick out like a sore thumb! I still would like Destiny to explain the pictures in just a little more chronological order. Were the pics we now have taken by Diario -- or were they submitted to Diario?
If it helps any and remember correctly,Destiny first told us that ale and Diario got a tip about the shoe being where it was.Diario got there before ale and took pictures.I remember thinking how strange that a local newspaper got there before ale but then remembered....we ARE talking about ale here lol.....NOW I believe Destiny is saying that ale and Diario recieved a letter and pictures....but I don't really know. Hey Wreck,what happened to your cool train?
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« Reply #102 on: June 19, 2008, 08:54:26 AM »

If this offends anyone let me know and I will delete the picture. I am posting it because I wanted to show how skeletal the remains are and I am not so sure the other body was in the water as long as this one.


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Whoa,is this a image of the 2nd body to wash up or the 3rd?

I did not have time to look at it closer last night to confirm it is the no 2 as it appears to be the same part of that beach and similar material placed on top of the body. I was just amazed how skeletal the remains were,something I did not see in the other pictures the previous days.
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« Reply #103 on: June 19, 2008, 08:54:39 AM »

wreck - here is a collection of the shoe I made when the shoe was first discovered. Look at the shoe in the right corner. You should clearly see the graffiti.

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« Reply #104 on: June 19, 2008, 09:02:27 AM »

Wreck - that lettering is actually from the factory and Destiny did call the K-Swiss people to find out about it.  I believe they said that those shoes (K-Swiss graffiti) were available in the 2nd quarter 2005 and in the USA only.  I think Florida was one of the areas they were available.  We do know that Joran was in Florida prior to Natalee going to Aruba.
Seriously??? K-Swiss put lettering on their shoes that look like "tagging" on the side of a subway car????

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« Reply #105 on: June 19, 2008, 09:05:39 AM »

If this offends anyone let me know and I will delete the picture. I am posting it because I wanted to show how skeletal the remains are and I am not so sure the other body was in the water as long as this one.


http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3137/floater7re8.jpg

Whoa,is this a image of the 2nd body to wash up or the 3rd?

Karma - I think they only showed two bodies. The third was not placed on the net. They probably have the images, but did not load them. I think AWE24 has some type of automatic uploader used from the point of origin. They are able to load on site. So, maybe it's a satellite connection. Not sure, but they seem to upload on site.
Thanks Rob....so it was 3 bodies total......so far.
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« Reply #106 on: June 19, 2008, 09:08:10 AM »

If this offends anyone let me know and I will delete the picture. I am posting it because I wanted to show how skeletal the remains are and I am not so sure the other body was in the water as long as this one.


http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3137/floater7re8.jpg

Whoa,is this a image of the 2nd body to wash up or the 3rd?

I did not have time to look at it closer last night to confirm it is the no 2 as it appears to be the same part of that beach and similar material placed on top of the body. I was just amazed how skeletal the remains were,something I did not see in the other pictures the previous days.
Exactly *******,that's why I thought this image was the 3rd body because it looked so different from the first 2 I saw.
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« Reply #107 on: June 19, 2008, 09:11:50 AM »

I don't know how I missed the graffiti on the shoe. I probably just had the 2 pics that jackb "enhanced" on my mind. I have to agree that this is the reason there has been a REALLY big "to do" about the shoes. Those shoes are about as rare as a finger print and stick out like a sore thumb! I still would like Destiny to explain the pictures in just a little more chronological order. Were the pics we now have taken by Diario -- or were they submitted to Diario?
If it helps any and remember correctly,Destiny first told us that ale and Diario got a tip about the shoe being where it was.Diario got there before ale and took pictures.I remember thinking how strange that a local newspaper got there before ale but then remembered....we ARE talking about ale here lol.....NOW I believe Destiny is saying that ale and Diario recieved a letter and pictures....but I don't really know. Hey Wreck,what happened to your cool train?

That is the way I understood her also. That Diario got pics and letter, but didn't see the actualy shoe.
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« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2008, 09:19:32 AM »


I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.
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« Reply #109 on: June 19, 2008, 09:20:39 AM »

I don't know how I missed the graffiti on the shoe. I probably just had the 2 pics that jackb "enhanced" on my mind. I have to agree that this is the reason there has been a REALLY big "to do" about the shoes. Those shoes are about as rare as a finger print and stick out like a sore thumb! I still would like Destiny to explain the pictures in just a little more chronological order. Were the pics we now have taken by Diario -- or were they submitted to Diario?
If it helps any and remember correctly,Destiny first told us that ale and Diario got a tip about the shoe being where it was.Diario got there before ale and took pictures.I remember thinking how strange that a local newspaper got there before ale but then remembered....we ARE talking about ale here lol.....NOW I believe Destiny is saying that ale and Diario recieved a letter and pictures....but I don't really know. Hey Wreck,what happened to your cool train?

That is the way I understood her also. That Diario got pics and letter, but didn't see the actualy shoe.
Destiny had to be very discreet when she first showed the shoe pics -- it wasn't clear "how" or "who" submitted them. Maybe she can tell us a little more now. ( my signature train is on brief hiatus -- my computer is in the shop so i can't bring it back quite yet -- using my "old" pc )
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« Reply #110 on: June 19, 2008, 09:23:29 AM »

Interesting post from the front page(link from Rob)
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evilive on April 3rd, 2007 8:06 pm
I have not posted in a while so here it is…….
Paulus to Jan and others.
There was this blonde American female tourist that tried to get Joran and Geoffrey in trouble. They say some photos of her at the HI. They thought she was hot and any easy pick so they wanted to have a little fun with her at C and C’s. She ended up slapping Geoffrey and when Joran made his advances; she tried to file a report to the police against both of them.
Joran will point her out to me when we go to the casino. Joran is going to try and bring her over to my place before she leaves Aruba. If Joran can get her I think we should teach the little xxxx a lesson she won’t forget. Anita won’t be home and neither will my other boys; it will be perfect if he can get her. We’ll teach her a lesson and then bring her back to her hotel. She won’t remember a thing. You know; why not asked Freddie to come over and video tape our lesson.
We have done this to other tourist at least twenty times before and nothing has ever gone wrong.
But something bad happened didn’t it Paulus? Natalee was a virgin. There was blood on the mattress. Natalee was slipping in and out of consciousness when she stopped breathing. You all tried to revive her unsuccessfully. You know you could not report this to the police because jan van der Straaten was already there. You tried to find information on the internet about drug interaction. You called your buddy at the funeral home. He told you he would send someone over from the church and wait for you to bring Natalee; but you had to come up with some amnesia money.
You placed her in your truck, went to the ATM and then went to the cemetery.
The caretaker placed her temporarily in a crypt until everyone could figure out what to do with the body.
Later your truck was confiscated so no evidence could be found.
Later you found out the caretaker and Benson tried to collect Natalee’s reward money and you had both of them killed.
You thought you had plenty of time to secure your no body you have no case.
You got rid of Natalee’s body and clothing.
However; you left behind Natalee’s underwear that Anita found.
Aruba could not let it be known that a prominent judge, other officials and their sons were involved in date rape schemes. Aruba’s tourist business would go straight down the tubes.
Keon and Guido are your weakest links, so you had to get them out of the country. Jan is a bag of nerves and he got shipped to Bonaire.
Dompig said that he could solve the case, but it was bigger them him; especially when they threatened to include Michael in the rape and murder. Or was he, and they threatened to expose him.
You, Jan, Steve Croes, Nelson Oduber and Dompig since he was an original spokesman for the tourist industry and others were involved in a cover up scheme. You can’t bring closure now because you don’t have a body to return.
You all rushed to cover up but didn’t count on how much exposure Natalee would receive. Now it’s no body no tourists.



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« Reply #111 on: June 19, 2008, 09:23:37 AM »

Morning ******* - how are you?
Could it be possible that the very distinctiveness of this "grafitti" shoe is why it was NOT shown.  Withholding important information so that if match were found...it would be very significant evidence for ALE?  The very evidence they require to go forward with a prosecution, possibly!
Wasn't there one shoe found at Joran's apt during the search?
Imagine if this shoe was found - or retrieved and held by a Joran cohort or friend but Joran was not told.  (Think if he was told, he would have
wanted his father - to "disappear" the evidence!)
I so hope this shoe is legitimate and not a hoax.   


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Yes,that could be why they never showed a picture of the shoes,that is a extremely limited brand as only just over 10,000 were made and only sold in the U.S. in the 2nd quarter of 2005. Less then half of that number were made in mens. Beth was quoted in the very beginning,that she was told that one shoe was found with mud or blood on it,and I know for sure they were looking for one missing shoe in the very beginning.

I hope it is legitimate also and someone got there hands on his real shoe,or has had it quite some time now. Unfortunately the OM already spoke out and said it is not Jorans and it was a very small womans shoe. Someone will have to produce additional evidence that links this shoe to Joran or we will probably never hear anything more about it.
Because of this shoe's relative rarity - man or women's shoe? - I hope
the f.b.i. or a p.i. (since ale's may not since it seems they've already dismissed the shoe) is prepared to investigate who purchased grafitti K Swiss shoes in Flda. in April, May '05. as well as a follow-up - i. e. what inventory was available in months following Natalee's disappearance.
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« Reply #112 on: June 19, 2008, 09:23:48 AM »


I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.

Maggie, I don't think any of us know why. And it could be disinformation. I'm not sure at all, just being polite.
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I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.
Hello Maggie..I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question except PVDS and whoever he saw in Florida. I also believe his trip was significant and I think he is FOS saying he went there to withdraw Joran from St.Leo's university. You don't fly all the way to Florida when both you and your son are suspected of Kidnapping and Murder just to do something you can do by phone or mail. It was something urgent,important and something he had to do in person.
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« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2008, 09:26:27 AM »

I don't know how I missed the graffiti on the shoe. I probably just had the 2 pics that jackb "enhanced" on my mind. I have to agree that this is the reason there has been a REALLY big "to do" about the shoes. Those shoes are about as rare as a finger print and stick out like a sore thumb! I still would like Destiny to explain the pictures in just a little more chronological order. Were the pics we now have taken by Diario -- or were they submitted to Diario?
If it helps any and remember correctly,Destiny first told us that ale and Diario got a tip about the shoe being where it was.Diario got there before ale and took pictures.I remember thinking how strange that a local newspaper got there before ale but then remembered....we ARE talking about ale here lol.....NOW I believe Destiny is saying that ale and Diario recieved a letter and pictures....but I don't really know. Hey Wreck,what happened to your cool train?

That is the way I understood her also. That Diario got pics and letter, but didn't see the actualy shoe.
Thanks sweets,that's the way I remember it.
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« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2008, 09:28:37 AM »


I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.
Hi Maggie....interesting.I don't remember him even taking a trip to Miami at all,sorry.
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« Reply #116 on: June 19, 2008, 09:29:41 AM »

Interesting post from the front page(link from Rob)
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evilive on April 3rd, 2007 8:06 pm
I have not posted in a while so here it is…….
Paulus to Jan and others.
There was this blonde American female tourist that tried to get Joran and Geoffrey in trouble. They say some photos of her at the HI. They thought she was hot and any easy pick so they wanted to have a little fun with her at C and C’s. She ended up slapping Geoffrey and when Joran made his advances; she tried to file a report to the police against both of them.
Joran will point her out to me when we go to the casino. Joran is going to try and bring her over to my place before she leaves Aruba. If Joran can get her I think we should teach the little xxxx a lesson she won’t forget. Anita won’t be home and neither will my other boys; it will be perfect if he can get her. We’ll teach her a lesson and then bring her back to her hotel. She won’t remember a thing. You know; why not asked Freddie to come over and video tape our lesson.
We have done this to other tourist at least twenty times before and nothing has ever gone wrong.
But something bad happened didn’t it Paulus? Natalee was a virgin. There was blood on the mattress. Natalee was slipping in and out of consciousness when she stopped breathing. You all tried to revive her unsuccessfully. You know you could not report this to the police because jan van der Straaten was already there. You tried to find information on the internet about drug interaction. You called your buddy at the funeral home. He told you he would send someone over from the church and wait for you to bring Natalee; but you had to come up with some amnesia money.
You placed her in your truck, went to the ATM and then went to the cemetery.
The caretaker placed her temporarily in a crypt until everyone could figure out what to do with the body.
Later your truck was confiscated so no evidence could be found.
Later you found out the caretaker and Benson tried to collect Natalee’s reward money and you had both of them killed.
You thought you had plenty of time to secure your no body you have no case.
You got rid of Natalee’s body and clothing.
However; you left behind Natalee’s underwear that Anita found.
Aruba could not let it be known that a prominent judge, other officials and their sons were involved in date rape schemes. Aruba’s tourist business would go straight down the tubes.
Keon and Guido are your weakest links, so you had to get them out of the country. Jan is a bag of nerves and he got shipped to Bonaire.
Dompig said that he could solve the case, but it was bigger them him; especially when they threatened to include Michael in the rape and murder. Or was he, and they threatened to expose him.
You, Jan, Steve Croes, Nelson Oduber and Dompig since he was an original spokesman for the tourist industry and others were involved in a cover up scheme. You can’t bring closure now because you don’t have a body to return.
You all rushed to cover up but didn’t count on how much exposure Natalee would receive. Now it’s no body no tourists.





danki Karma. That is interesting... and looks right in many areas.
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« Reply #117 on: June 19, 2008, 09:32:12 AM »

I don't know how I missed the graffiti on the shoe. I probably just had the 2 pics that jackb "enhanced" on my mind. I have to agree that this is the reason there has been a REALLY big "to do" about the shoes. Those shoes are about as rare as a finger print and stick out like a sore thumb! I still would like Destiny to explain the pictures in just a little more chronological order. Were the pics we now have taken by Diario -- or were they submitted to Diario?
If it helps any and remember correctly,Destiny first told us that ale and Diario got a tip about the shoe being where it was.Diario got there before ale and took pictures.I remember thinking how strange that a local newspaper got there before ale but then remembered....we ARE talking about ale here lol.....NOW I believe Destiny is saying that ale and Diario recieved a letter and pictures....but I don't really know. Hey Wreck,what happened to your cool train?

That is the way I understood her also. That Diario got pics and letter, but didn't see the actualy shoe.
Destiny had to be very discreet when she first showed the shoe pics -- it wasn't clear "how" or "who" submitted them. Maybe she can tell us a little more now. ( my signature train is on brief hiatus -- my computer is in the shop so i can't bring it back quite yet -- using my "old" pc )
Ahh,thanks Wreck.I understand Destiny had to be discreet,she's a real trooper and I appreciate all she is doing for justice for Natalee.
Your train reminded me of aruba....two sides of aruba crashing together.
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« Reply #118 on: June 19, 2008, 09:32:14 AM »

Destiny had to be very discreet when she first showed the shoe pics -- it wasn't clear "how" or "who" submitted them. Maybe she can tell us a little more now. ( my signature train is on brief hiatus -- my computer is in the shop so i can't bring it back quite yet -- using my "old" pc )

I feel your pain wreck... hopefully you'll have it back pronto. I know how bad not having "your" computer really is..
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« Reply #119 on: June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM »

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evilive on April 3rd, 2007 8:06 pm
I have not posted in a while so here it is…….
Paulus to Jan and others.
There was this blonde American female tourist that tried to get Joran and Geoffrey in trouble. They say some photos of her at the HI. They thought she was hot and any easy pick so they wanted to have a little fun with her at C and C’s. She ended up slapping Geoffrey and when Joran made his advances; she tried to file a report to the police against both of them.
Joran will point her out to me when we go to the casino. Joran is going to try and bring her over to my place before she leaves Aruba. If Joran can get her I think we should teach the little xxxx a lesson she won’t forget. Anita won’t be home and neither will my other boys; it will be perfect if he can get her. We’ll teach her a lesson and then bring her back to her hotel. She won’t remember a thing. You know; why not asked Freddie to come over and video tape our lesson.
We have done this to other tourist at least twenty times before and nothing has ever gone wrong.
But something bad happened didn’t it Paulus? Natalee was a virgin. There was blood on the mattress. Natalee was slipping in and out of consciousness when she stopped breathing. You all tried to revive her unsuccessfully. You know you could not report this to the police because jan van der Straaten was already there. You tried to find information on the internet about drug interaction. You called your buddy at the funeral home. He told you he would send someone over from the church and wait for you to bring Natalee; but you had to come up with some amnesia money.
You placed her in your truck, went to the ATM and then went to the cemetery.
The caretaker placed her temporarily in a crypt until everyone could figure out what to do with the body.
Later your truck was confiscated so no evidence could be found.
Later you found out the caretaker and Benson tried to collect Natalee’s reward money and you had both of them killed.
You thought you had plenty of time to secure your no body you have no case.
You got rid of Natalee’s body and clothing.
However; you left behind Natalee’s underwear that Anita found.
Aruba could not let it be known that a prominent judge, other officials and their sons were involved in date rape schemes. Aruba’s tourist business would go straight down the tubes.
Keon and Guido are your weakest links, so you had to get them out of the country. Jan is a bag of nerves and he got shipped to Bonaire.
Dompig said that he could solve the case, but it was bigger them him; especially when they threatened to include Michael in the rape and murder. Or was he, and they threatened to expose him.
You, Jan, Steve Croes, Nelson Oduber and Dompig since he was an original spokesman for the tourist industry and others were involved in a cover up scheme. You can’t bring closure now because you don’t have a body to return.
You all rushed to cover up but didn’t count on how much exposure Natalee would receive. Now it’s no body no tourists.


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