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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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http://www.prive.nl/evert/
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Aruba 7/23/2005
FBI Pushes for Access to Holloway Dossier
ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Aruba's prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General
Karin Janssen
that the bureau be allowed "complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows."
FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the six-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.
FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.
Trapenberg said
Janssen
had not yet responded to the government's request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.
Even when the Prime Minister gets involved, Karin Janssen stonewalls and obfuscates.
Why wouldn't Aruba want to cooperate with the FBI? It shouldn't be necessary for Oduber to intervene.
It makes absolutely no sense to me. Certainly, the Aruban officials are far less sophisticated and have dramatically less experience than the FBI. There's no shame in that. However, there is shame in impeding the investigation by keeping the FBI at a
distance
.
Unbelievable.
I don't see how they can blow off the Prime Minister's request.
Jannsen probably doesn't want to hand over materials to the FBI
because they would reveal that she and Aruban authorities completely screwed up the investigation from the beginning.
I hope that the FBI's greater involvement will make a difference. At the very least, Natalee's family will know that the investigation into her disappearance is no longer in the hands of corrupt incompetents.
Posted by Mary at 7/23/2005
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: MumInOhio on June 20, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
Thanks Pita...Good morning!
Does anyone remember the beach tennis pics of the van der Sloots from a few months back? (The one with Anita in a black bathing suit!) I thought there was a link in the Dutch thread to the 2004 pics and can't seem to find it. For some reason I thought February... TIA
BB posted it, it was on youtube I think
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: johan555 on June 20, 2008, 10:13:04 AM
Aruba 7/23/2005
FBI Pushes for Access to Holloway Dossier
ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Aruba's prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General
Karin Janssen
that the bureau be allowed "complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows."
FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the six-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.
FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.
Trapenberg said
Janssen
had not yet responded to the government's request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.
Even when the Prime Minister gets involved, Karin Janssen stonewalls and obfuscates.
Why wouldn't Aruba want to cooperate with the FBI? It shouldn't be necessary for Oduber to intervene.
It makes absolutely no sense to me. Certainly, the Aruban officials are far less sophisticated and have dramatically less experience than the FBI. There's no shame in that. However, there is shame in impeding the investigation by keeping the FBI at a
distance
.
Unbelievable.
I don't see how they can blow off the Prime Minister's request.
Jannsen probably doesn't want to hand over materials to the FBI
because they would reveal that she and Aruban authorities completely screwed up the investigation from the beginning.
I hope that the FBI's greater involvement will make a difference. At the very least, Natalee's family will know that the investigation into her disappearance is no longer in the hands of corrupt incompetents.
Posted by Mary at 7/23/2005
THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE
Considering "not a single document" was left for the FBI ... I can only assume that Deepak and Satish's attorney, David Kock, as well as Joran van der Sloot's attorneys were successful in their appeal to a judge's ruling that stated that documents from the Natalee Holloway case file could be shared with the FBI.
Logic dictates that the revealed document would implicate his clients in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.
Janet
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Aruba PM: Give FBI documents on missing teen U.S. agency has been assisting in investigation but without access to papers
Associated Press
July 22, Updated: 8:58 p.m. ET July 22, 2005
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen that the bureau be allowed
“complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672318/
Defense attorneys want FBI out of Aruba
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (10 Aug 2005) --
Defense lawyers on Wednesday appealed a judge's ruling that Aruban authorities could share information with the FBI about missing teen Natalee Holloway.
Last week, a judge struck down a motion by the defense to prohibit file sharing with the American law enforcement agency, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.
"It's not a question of having something to hide but about the legality of their (FBI) involvement," said defense lawyer David Kock.
Kock, one of three lawyers who argued the appeal Wednesday in a closed court session, said a decision was expected Monday.
FBI agents have been on the Dutch Caribbean island as observers since Holloway disappeared May 30. They were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister.
Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained in the disappearance, and two Surinamese brothers have argued the FBI didn't have jurisdiction and shouldn't have access to the investigation.
http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050810a.html
Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184
Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.
"The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing."
he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: Blonde on June 20, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on June 20, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
Thanks Pita...Good morning!
Does anyone remember the beach tennis pics of the van der Sloots from a few months back? (The one with Anita in a black bathing suit!) I thought there was a link in the Dutch thread to the 2004 pics and can't seem to find it. For some reason I thought February... TIA
BB posted it, it was on youtube I think
Thanks blonde...not going to watch it...LOL
Any Monkeys have info on how many commentaries that Gabe Leo has done for Awemainta? I found this, while chasing in circles on A.M. Digital, but the link to awemainta is gone! TIA
Awemainta | Scared MonkeysFrom Gabriel Leo, a commenter in Aruba, is this link and story.
http://www.awemainta.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx
. Nat-gas. From Gabriel: ...scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=awemainta - 67k -
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Monkeys, I am still hung up on something and it's driving me crazy. I remember in one of the early Alpo brother's statements that on the way to the lighthouse, they stopped at Urine's house, but didn't go in. According to Rob's maps, the house is on the way from C$Cs to the Matty Apts. area. Why did they stop at the Ditch house? Why was this piece of information only mentioned very early on? Did they stop to tell Paulass and his cronies that they had the girl from the casino? I think that they intially drugged her at C&Cs, but did they stop to get something more from Paulass or possibly more drugs that were in Urine's apt.? If Natalee was in the car with them at that point, they couldn't have placed a phone call to Paulass or Natalee would have heard the conversation. Did they take Natalee into the Ditch house and give her another dose of drugs before taking her to the event accompanied by Paulass? This mysterious stop is driving me nuts.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: johan555 on June 20, 2008, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on June 20, 2008, 09:17:53 AM
Quote from: johan555 on June 20, 2008, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on June 20, 2008, 08:16:28 AM
Of course ... I finally found the link that johan posted, in April, and it doesn't work anymore!!!!!!!!!!!! Well back to checking out beach tennis and looking for a cached page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wich link MUM ?
The beach tennis link to the 2004 pics...You posted it the Dutch thread in April, well all the old pics are gone, I couldn't even bring them up through google on the cached link! Only 2007 and 2008 pics are there now!
quote johan
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This was the old website ,they removed a lot of pics
http://www.arubabeachtennis.com/pics.html
I wanted to see where the pics originated, and as far as I can tell they were associated with the beach tennis site in Aruba. I have info on the guy that runs that.
The other lead I had on Freddy Zedan in 2004, was from a AM Digital newpaper article, and the aero modelers website I got there through, hasn't been updated since April 2006.
Just trying to track down the Zedan in in Freddy Arambatzis...again...LOL
i see that often Mum, i am on Renee's Gielen G allert and when i found a website with info ,a few days later it is gone .so i make screenshots and safe all the info an pics
Renee Gielen team ,the misinfo and evidence destroy machine of Aruba
holy crap johann...getting vertigo!!! lol
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Quote from: klaasend on June 20, 2008, 10:11:36 AM
http://www.prive.nl/evert/
Read the last paragraph
I LOVE this news, Klaas. I can't wait to see what Peter DeVries has dug up on ole Sweaty running man!
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Quote from: SS on June 20, 2008, 10:50:37 AM
Monkeys, I am still hung up on something and it's driving me crazy. I remember in one of the early Alpo brother's statements that on the way to the lighthouse, they stopped at Urine's house, but didn't go in. According to Rob's maps, the house is on the way from C$Cs to the Matty Apts. area. Why did they stop at the Ditch house? Why was this piece of information only mentioned very early on? Did they stop to tell Paulass and his cronies that they had the girl from the casino? I think that they intially drugged her at C&Cs, but did they stop to get something more from Paulass or possibly more drugs that were in Urine's apt.? If Natalee was in the car with them at that point, they couldn't have placed a phone call to Paulass or Natalee would have heard the conversation. Did they take Natalee into the Ditch house and give her another dose of drugs before taking her to the event accompanied by Paulass? This mysterious stop is driving me nuts.
LOL...no help here...but I know how you feel...Freddy is driving me crazy!
LOL...at Lisa....Have a great day everyone!
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If Urine had told Natalee that he was a soccer player from Holland staying at the Hilton, how did he explain stopping at his house? I can only imagine that Natalee was already drugged and probably unconscious shortly after they left C&Cs or No Name.
1. brie. on April 15th, 2008 10:29 am
I don’t think Patrick is part of a cover-up nor do I think Peter believes it was a cover-up. They thought they had the whole truth from Joran. Patrick is not a professional but I think he tried his best. Two pieces of information I believe, Natalee had seizures and they dumped her in the ocean. She didn’t die in Joran’s arms like he said, he never used a payphone to call and it wasn’t Daury. It was Paulus and the Gottenbos boat, Koen and Sander and maybe even Freddy. How the Kalpoes fit in I’m not really sure. But Joran said they drove past his house but they didn’t go in, what was the point of driving there. He never did explain why? It could of happened at Joran’s house or maybe the Kalpoes pulled off onto to some out of way dirt road and they all raped her there. They probably know every inch of that island.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/15/as-public-employees-boycott-protest-in-aruba-lets-remember-whats-really-important-justice-for-natalee-holloway/
Also, Joran says they drove to his house but didn’t go in…so why drive there…I think Natalee ended up at the Sloot’s house….how do you explain this when he said he was an exchange student I do not know,,,except for the fact that maybe the drug had taken effect….Joran had Freddy and Koen or Sander waiting in Joran’s apt…..Freddy with his camera!!!!! The porno freak!!!! A welcome sight at the Sloot’s house…
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/25/beth-holloway-international-safe-travels-foundation-gradcitycom-offer-college-high-school-students-spring-breakers-safe-options-break-smart/
PrimeTime Interview with ABC Chris Cuomo
In this interview Joran says that the plan was to go to his house, but Natalee wanted to see sharks so they went to the lighthouse. He also says he initiated the kissing. And that Natalee told him her mother was Hitler's sister.
He also wants us to believe that he told Natalee that he was nineteen, but had to go home to go to school the next day. Remember also that he told the MB kids he was on vacation from Holland. He never tells us how he "clears" this all up with Natalee and suddenly admits to living on Aruba.
http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=4&y=2006
I do not believe anything he said about Natalee's behavior. Joran appeared to be telling the truth about going to his house and suddenly when he said they got to his house and he decided not to go in because
his brother's and father were home asleep
, he started lying. He knew they were home asleep before the drive to his house. What changed when they got there. NOTHING. The VDS home is the crime scene. Beach scene did not happen and everything about his demeanor regarding the beach story is a lie.
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2006/02/primetime-exclusive-joran-van-der.html
If the brothers were home asleep, then how were they in the Netherlands with Anita? Didn't Paulass also say that he put the younger boys on the bus the next morning? Anita was in Holland by herself. The younger boys weren't with her. Val saw something and that's why he talked about the girl in the bathtub.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: klaasend on June 20, 2008, 10:11:36 AM
http://www.prive.nl/evert/
Read the last paragraph
Thank you Klaas.
I am skeptical.
It appears that both Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem are backing down from their original position that Joran's confession on the videotape implies the "case is solve".
According to Devries and van der Eem's original positions ... Paulus' only wrongdoing was providing his son a cell phone when he was detained.
Janet
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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?
DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html
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Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga
I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case.
God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.
<snipped>
If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s.
The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone
and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter
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6. April 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I would love to see more justice also. For instance: what will they do with Joran’s confession that his father smuggled a cell into his cell?
But failing to bring more justice than I did, does not mean the legal system of Aruba fails.
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments
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Quote from: MumInOhio on June 20, 2008, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: SS on June 20, 2008, 10:50:37 AM
Monkeys, I am still hung up on something and it's driving me crazy. I remember in one of the early Alpo brother's statements that on the way to the lighthouse, they stopped at Urine's house, but didn't go in. According to Rob's maps, the house is on the way from C$Cs to the Matty Apts. area. Why did they stop at the Ditch house? Why was this piece of information only mentioned very early on? Did they stop to tell Paulass and his cronies that they had the girl from the casino? I think that they intially drugged her at C&Cs, but did they stop to get something more from Paulass or possibly more drugs that were in Urine's apt.? If Natalee was in the car with them at that point, they couldn't have placed a phone call to Paulass or Natalee would have heard the conversation. Did they take Natalee into the Ditch house and give her another dose of drugs before taking her to the event accompanied by Paulass? This mysterious stop is driving me nuts.
LOL...no help here...but I know how you feel...Freddy is driving me crazy!
LOL...at Lisa....Have a great day everyone!
Did they stop at the Ditch house to pick up Freddy who was reportedly staying there? Maybe Freddy was waiting for them, so they could all go to the event together. Freddy knows!!!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: SS on June 20, 2008, 11:19:13 AM
If Urine had told Natalee that he was a soccer player from Holland staying at the Hilton, how did he explain stopping at his house? I can only imagine that Natalee was already drugged and probably unconscious shortly after they left C&Cs or No Name.
1. brie. on April 15th, 2008 10:29 am
I don’t think Patrick is part of a cover-up nor do I think Peter believes it was a cover-up. They thought they had the whole truth from Joran. Patrick is not a professional but I think he tried his best. Two pieces of information I believe, Natalee had seizures and they dumped her in the ocean. She didn’t die in Joran’s arms like he said, he never used a payphone to call and it wasn’t Daury. It was Paulus and the Gottenbos boat, Koen and Sander and maybe even Freddy. How the Kalpoes fit in I’m not really sure. But Joran said they drove past his house but they didn’t go in, what was the point of driving there. He never did explain why? It could of happened at Joran’s house or maybe the Kalpoes pulled off onto to some out of way dirt road and they all raped her there. They probably know every inch of that island.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/15/as-public-employees-boycott-protest-in-aruba-lets-remember-whats-really-important-justice-for-natalee-holloway/
Also, Joran says they drove to his house but didn’t go in…so why drive there…I think Natalee ended up at the Sloot’s house….how do you explain this when he said he was an exchange student I do not know,,,except for the fact that maybe the drug had taken effect….Joran had Freddy and Koen or Sander waiting in Joran’s apt…..Freddy with his camera!!!!! The porno freak!!!! A welcome sight at the Sloot’s house…
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/25/beth-holloway-international-safe-travels-foundation-gradcitycom-offer-college-high-school-students-spring-breakers-safe-options-break-smart/
PrimeTime Interview with ABC Chris Cuomo
In this interview Joran says that the plan was to go to his house, but Natalee wanted to see sharks so they went to the lighthouse. He also says he initiated the kissing. And that Natalee told him her mother was Hitler's sister.
He also wants us to believe that he told Natalee that he was nineteen, but had to go home to go to school the next day. Remember also that he told the MB kids he was on vacation from Holland. He never tells us how he "clears" this all up with Natalee and suddenly admits to living on Aruba.
http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=4&y=2006
I do not believe anything he said about Natalee's behavior. Joran appeared to be telling the truth about going to his house and suddenly when he said they got to his house and he decided not to go in because
his brother's and father were home asleep
, he started lying. He knew they were home asleep before the drive to his house. What changed when they got there. NOTHING. The VDS home is the crime scene. Beach scene did not happen and everything about his demeanor regarding the beach story is a lie.
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2006/02/primetime-exclusive-joran-van-der.html
If the brothers were home asleep, then how were they in the Netherlands with Anita? Didn't Paulass also say that he put the younger boys on the bus the next morning? Anita was in Holland by herself. The younger boys weren't with her.
Val saw something and that's why he talked about the girl in the bathtub.
I found a post about the bathtub, but I am not sure if I still have it? It was on another forum, and the poster said that it was on a 'Stephanies' site. As there are a couple with this name and spelt differently, I wanted to find the post, so as to determine which one it was. IIRC, I checked the Dr. Phil log, and it wasn't the one who filed the complaint!
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6. April 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I would love to see more justice also. For instance: what will they do with Joran’s confession that his father smuggled a cell into his cell? But failing to bring more justice than I did, does not mean the legal system of Aruba fails.
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments
Patrick's statement is ridiculous. He hasn't brought any justice to anything. A group of degenerate 17 year olds did not pull this horrendous crime off by themselves. They did not kidnap an American tourist, drug her, gang rape her, video tape her, and dispose of her by themselves. The "higher powers" pulled this off and they are adult males who know exactly what happened and they were involved in the entire scenario.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on June 20, 2008, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: SS on June 20, 2008, 10:50:37 AM
Monkeys, I am still hung up on something and it's driving me crazy. I remember in one of the early Alpo brother's statements that on the way to the lighthouse, they stopped at Urine's house, but didn't go in. According to Rob's maps, the house is on the way from C$Cs to the Matty Apts. area. Why did they stop at the Ditch house? Why was this piece of information only mentioned very early on? Did they stop to tell Paulass and his cronies that they had the girl from the casino? I think that they intially drugged her at C&Cs, but did they stop to get something more from Paulass or possibly more drugs that were in Urine's apt.? If Natalee was in the car with them at that point, they couldn't have placed a phone call to Paulass or Natalee would have heard the conversation. Did they take Natalee into the Ditch house and give her another dose of drugs before taking her to the event accompanied by Paulass? This mysterious stop is driving me nuts.
LOL...no help here...but I know how you feel...Freddy is driving me crazy!
LOL...at Lisa....Have a great day everyone!
Did they stop at the Ditch house to pick up Freddy who was reportedly staying there? Maybe Freddy was waiting for them, so they could all go to the event together. Freddy knows!!!
I am with Lala's on this, why would a 21 year old need to sleepover at a 17 year old's house? I think 'Freddy' was along that night, probably at C&C's...Makes more sense for Max Arends to be the sleepover guy, but who would sleepover and stay home while his buddy was out at the casino and a club....more Freddy info from Melody!...
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Janet and SS,
I share your skepticism about Patrick. That confession of Joran's has resulted in ZILCH, and I'm sure none of Natalee's loved ones have any peace at all.
I think Patrick would love for us to believe Joran, but I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth, hidden camera or not.
SS, you are right that a bunch of kids, and not the sharpest knives in the drawer, pulled off this colossal crime against Natalee, and the ensuing cover up. No way Paulus and his buddies are not at the center of this whole thing.
For this reason, I am grateful that Peter DeVries is investigating Paulus, as this is where the investigation needed to be all along. Apparently Peter DeVries doesn't "have peace" about this story either, as he's still digging in.
Investigate Paulus. Investigate Paulus. Investigate Paulus.
I can't wait.
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Does anyone remember Melody's early posts where she was defending Urine? Did she say something about him becoming upset about what was happening to Natalee and he supposedly left?
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OK, I'll keep blabbing.
It's funny how the OM can't use Patrick's undercover tape of Joran's confession, the OM can't work with Patrick on a "wiretap" investigation, but they can use wiretaps on the Luis Mansur et al drug and money laundering investigation.
Paulus of course will argue that no wiretaps of anyone are legal, especially HIM.
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Quote from: SS on June 20, 2008, 11:35:47 AM
6. April 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I would love to see more justice also. For instance: what will they do with Joran’s confession that his father smuggled a cell into his cell? But failing to bring more justice than I did, does not mean the legal system of Aruba fails.
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments
Patrick's statement is ridiculous. He hasn't brought any justice to anything. A group of degenerate 17 year olds did not pull this horrendous crime off by themselves. They did not kidnap an American tourist, drug her, gang rape her, video tape her, and dispose of her by themselves. The "higher powers" pulled this off and they are adult males who know exactly what happened and they were involved in the entire scenario.
SS ... I agree.
Did Patrick van der Eem ... Did Peter de Vries ... really believe that a video recording which only implicated Joran van der Sloot was really going to bring closure to the family of Natalee Holloway? Did these two really believe that once Beth Holloway was given an opportunity to reflect she was not going to realize that something was not right?
Think about the video recording. Joran only implicated himself and a "unknown" accomplish in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005. Deepak and Satish were distanced. Paulus was distanced. Steve Croes was distanced. The sons of the elite were distanced. The conflicting declarations were non issues. The evidence was a non issue. The witnesses were non issues. Those who were aware of or participated in the corrupt investigation were non-issues.
The agenda ... keep it simple ... appease and silence Beth Holloway ... make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory and ... the "Happy Island" can once again become the "Happy Island".
Think about it. Joran was the perfect sacrificial lamb. He was a minor in May, 2005 and ... accountability ... if any ... would be minimal.
... and chances were good that the video recording would be ruled by an Aruban court as insufficient evidence or ... dismissed on a legal technicality.
In my opinion!!!
Janet
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Very interesting....
tonykohtao
May 7, 2008 at 8:14 am
I met him today. And proptly kicked his ass until the local koh tao police pulled me off. He’s still here and I have his passport. Good luck killer at the embassy…
johnny
May 7, 2008 at 9:33 am
7th May 2008
Re. The Disappearance/ Murder of Natalee Holloway.
Hello, my name is Johnny.
I live on a small island in the Gulf of Thailand called, Koh Tao.
As recently as yesterday afternoon, Goran Van Der Sloot left this island. Myself and friends (Tony & Phil) confronted him two nights ago, re. his present situation.
I run a small bike shop from which Goran and his travel companion, Solahian Daniel rented their scooters during the 4 day holiday visit to the island.
We have information that Gorans’ passport was lost locally here, so now he will have to go to his embassy in Bangkok to apply for a new passport.
We have already contacted the Thai national press and made them aware of the situation.
Best Regards,
Johnny, Tony & Phil.
http://www.mycrimespace.com/2007/11/23/joran-van-der-sloot/
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