Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22

[Lala'sMom]

I found out with my daughter that a written notification of refusal or withdrawal was always needed...the price of a stamp not an airline ticket.

[Observer]

Maybe Mr.Pink got tired of using porno actresses in his rape and abduction video's? All producers want to make there films as real as possible especially Reality porn like Backseatbangers,Bangbus,Abduction,Rape films..etc etc etc. A drugged out female that wouldn't remember anything and was never returning to Aruba would be perfect. Even better is one leaving the next day,so she would have no time to contact Authorities if she did remember. And a location that could not be identified on the video would be a must.

If you are thinking there's no way they filmed a video then you are kidding yourself. This is exactly what the Pimps liked to do,it was probably the motive that night and it's not a stretch that they met a porn producer or took it to the next level from just taking pictures,drugging girls and sexually assaulting them. Freddy is up to his eyeballs in this as well.

[wreck]

ERNESTO's Blurbs
About me:
I've been living in Miami for 7 years and i work in the nightlife industry for about 5 of years. I love going to the beach and tanning topless and i would love to meet someone to go to Haulover with me and tan bottomless, too. Whose up for some sand in their crack! 
Who I'd like to meet:
Oh just somebody! 
 

If you want info on Ernesto..the monkeys have it.  Mum, VMS, Hotping, Sharon have worked really hard lately and found some really good info.  Freddy and Ernesto.  Now that's an interesting duo, pair that with Mr. Pink and it's a deadly combination.  When Mum gets back later or maybe tomorrow I will ask her to post some of the stuff she has in Shango 4.  Lots of behind the scenes work going on all the time in the cage.

Ernesto sounds as if he would be a Guido "lover."

[wreck]

...and I have a size 10.5 for "up his crack"

[wreck]

...and I have a size 10.5 for "up his crack"

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uh,... SHOE that is ! (that sounded bad!)

[Lala'sMom]

Tylergal
If you are still here, I was telling Mum you knew a little about a poster that was associated with Simian and Shango named AllyinMiami.  Can you recall anything about her?  I seem to remember you showed me a photo of her once.  I thought she was rather young looking, but all the info Mum gives me shows her to be a bit older. TIA

[GBMW]

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Peter R. de Vries & his team are trying to help Natalee & her family (and yes: make a televisionshow). I don't doubt his integrity in this....and because of that I trust his judgement when it comes to Patrick.

GBMW ... as usual ... you and I are world apart in our mindsets  when it comes to both the motive and character perception of many of the participants who are associated to the investigation.

The involvement of the Kalpoes ... the Aruban coverup ... Beth's responsibility for the plight of the Aruban people ... the boycott ... Patrick ... and Charlierat are issues encompassing the Natalee Holloway case which imply that a meeting of our minds is just not going to happen.

 

Janet

I think it's ok not to share the same opinion. I'm doing reading on the Kalpoes so could very well be my views change...that goes for a lot of things of course.
I do believe there was a coverup....just not in the way you do. The boycott...well that's not something we'll ever agree on I think.
Patrick...well; of course I don't know that much about him....I trust Peter's judgement on that. I know people that have worked with Peter over the years and I've watched - followed his shows / work for years already.  My opinion on Peter is based on that and not only to his work related to this case.

I've also seen (because of my work) interviews with Peter that haven't been aired about this case as well....there is just no doubt in my mind he's working on this case to solve it....not to play along in some cover up...(nor that he is blind when it comes to the cover up that did happen). That you not feel / think the same...is fine of course.

When it comes to Charlierat: don't really have an opinion on him. There are a lot of posts / posters that I don't agree with sometimes or find pleasant to read. I don't like rude posts or when they become way over the top (wishing death on people / wanting to cut of someones penis etc.). Of course I've noticed I had become ruder online as well...have been trying to pay attention to it.

I don't / haven't read every post from Charlierat so don't know that much about him. But my dealings with him (we've mailed maybe 3 or 4 times) have been nothing but pleasant; so why would I want to 'kick him in the balls'? He's practically a stranger to me! Charlierat is very anti SM; I know that. And his way of expressing himself on that matter is very rude sometimes. But I'd rather just ignore that negative stuff and try to read the contributions from him that I do appreciate. That's all...and I don't see anything wrong with it; sorry.

[LoRain]

Posted by LoRain, BFN

Spank Joran   

http://www.spankjoran.com/

165 mph 

Too funny....did you see his shoe fly off?...

[Pita]

Posted by LoRain, BFN

Spank Joran   

http://www.spankjoran.com/

165 mph 

Too funny....did you see his shoe fly off?...

No, maybe I didn't spank him hard enough!   

[wreck]

Posted by LoRain, BFN

Spank Joran   

http://www.spankjoran.com/

165 mph 

Too funny....did you see his shoe fly off?...

391 mph - first try

[Observer]

What contributions has Chuck Rat made? The only thing he appears to be contributing to is lies about Beth,supporting Aruba and idiotic and rude behavior regarding this forum.

[Observer]

Posted by LoRain, BFN

Spank Joran   

http://www.spankjoran.com/

165 mph 

Too funny....did you see his shoe fly off?...

391 mph - first try

You have probably have been waiting three years to do that   

I wasn't paying attention to his shoes Lorain..lol..Are they major evidence in this case?

[carpe noctem]

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Peter R. de Vries & his team are trying to help Natalee & her family (and yes: make a televisionshow). I don't doubt his integrity in this....and because of that I trust his judgement when it comes to Patrick.

GBMW ... as usual ... you and I are world apart in our mindsets  when it comes to both the motive and character perception of many of the participants who are associated to the investigation.

The involvement of the Kalpoes ... the Aruban coverup ... Beth's responsibility for the plight of the Aruban people ... the boycott ... Patrick ... and Charlierat are issues encompassing the Natalee Holloway case which imply that a meeting of our minds is just not going to happen.

 

Janet

I think it's ok not to share the same opinion. I'm doing reading on the Kalpoes so could very well be my views change...that goes for a lot of things of course.
I do believe there was a coverup....just not in the way you do. The boycott...well that's not something we'll ever agree on I think.
Patrick...well; of course I don't know that much about him....I trust Peter's judgement on that. I know people that have worked with Peter over the years and I've watched - followed his shows / work for years already.  My opinion on Peter is based on that and not only to his work related to this case.

I've also seen (because of my work) interviews with Peter that haven't been aired about this case as well....there is just no doubt in my mind he's working on this case to solve it....not to play along in some cover up...(nor that he is blind when it comes to the cover up that did happen). That you not feel / think the same...is fine of course.

When it comes to Charlierat: don't really have an opinion on him. There are a lot of posts / posters that I don't agree with sometimes or find pleasant to read. I don't like rude posts or when they become way over the top (wishing death on people / wanting to cut of someones penis etc.). Of course I've noticed I had become ruder online as well...have been trying to pay attention to it.

I don't / haven't read every post from Charlierat so don't know that much about him. But my dealings with him (we've mailed maybe 3 or 4 times) have been nothing but pleasant; so why would I want to 'kick him in the balls'? He's practically a stranger to me! Charlierat is very anti SM; I know that. And his way of expressing himself on that matter is very rude sometimes. But I'd rather just ignore that negative stuff and try to read the contributions from him that I do appreciate. That's all...and I don't see anything wrong with it; sorry.

Charlie Rat is a geezus awful lying bag of shit, I hope he

gets his johnson stuck in a stadium turnstile and winds up

on the local evening news.

He lies, consistently. Match what he says, to what really happened.

It never balances out.

[LoRain]

I have zero confidence in Patrick and his video and his upcoming book.  We have too much information that is contrary to the picture that Patrick has tried to paint.  CAPS did give us information about Patrick that even included his involvement with sweet young virgins when he lived on Crappy Island.  Patrick is a known criminal with a criminal's mind.  Criminals can change and experience a metamorphosis, but I don't think that this applies to Patrick.  Patrick is in this for money.  He might even be working for the perps in an attempt to spread disinformation.  Perhaps he owes "the powers" on Crappy Island a big favor.  I still have my gut feeling that Daury Rodriguez was a Patrick retaliation target.  It's interesting how Daury was arrested in NJ so quickly after the video aired.

I'm still not sure about Peter.  Peter does have a very good reputation in the Netherlands and I just can't imagine that he would throw it all away on the likes of Urine in the Ditch.  I prefer to think that Patrick and/or Urine might have pulled one over on him.  I guess time will tell.  I'm anxious to see how Peter will be exposing Paulass.

If Urine is taking the heat for the older scum bags on Crappy Island, then this could very well be where all of his party money comes from.

]

I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba.

Is there any truth to this?......seriously....did Patrick stage these tapes??....and is the rest true or not.....?

[wreck]

Posted by LoRain, BFN

Spank Joran   

http://www.spankjoran.com/

165 mph 

Too funny....did you see his shoe fly off?...

391 mph - first try

You have probably been wanting to do that for 3 years 

I wasn't paying attention to his shoes Lorain..lol..Are they major evidence in this case?

were they K-swiss size 14 or 10.5?? White w/blue, graffiti???? 

[klaasend]

What contributions has Chuck Rat made? The only thing he appears to be contributing to is lies about Beth,supporting Aruba and idiotic and rude behavior regarding this forum.

He's made absolutely zero contributions.  He's nothing more than a creepy so called attorney in the Birmingham area that has so little work he can spend all day on TWO message boards and can act as Admin on one of those.  He is 50 years old (by his own admission) and was born in Aruba because his father worked at the refinery.  He left Aruba with his family when he was approx 16 and by his own admission, couldn't afford to return until about a year or so ago.  He has since been back so he's been to Aruba now twice.  How many attorneys do you know that can't afford a trip to Aruba?

He has bashed Beth and gone behind her back to try and get info from her.  I don't care for people like CR.

I rest my case 

[always 1]

Destiny, I see youre not here right now, but I was wondering if we cant get a copy of the letter, would your "friend" maybe at least tell us the gist of it.

[LoRain]

"I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba."

Is there any truth to this?......seriously....did Patrick stage these tapes??....and is the rest true or not.....?
 
 I don't know where this originated from but would like to read comments please...

[Tamikosmom]

I found out with my daughter that a written notification of refusal or withdrawal was always needed...the price of a stamp not an airline ticket.

Lala'sMom ... for three years ... my youngest son attended a local accredited Christian University less than a five minute drive from our home where he received his Bachelor of Arts and ... then for two years he attended the public University (SFU) less than an hours drive away where he received his Bachelor of Education.

In those five years ALL FINANCIAL TRANSACTION/ QUERIES were done by mail/ email/ telephone.

SS ... you are correct about scholarships.  Our son received a $40,000 scholarship upon graduation from high school.  It was presented to him by the Dean of the private university he was to  attend.  We were estatic for exactly five minutes.  Then we read the conditions.

 

The scholarship was divided into four consecutive years and was dependent on the equivalent of a B+ average.  Well ... our son received the $10,000 for the first year based on his high school grades but ... failed to meet the criteria in the following three years.  This kid is very focused ... he follows through to completion on all tasks but ... he is no academic genius.

Also ... the conditions of the "loan" he received each year from his parents (us) was incentive to follow through.  The loan would be torn up upon receipt of his Bachelor of Education in five years.  None of this "finding himself" on our bucks.

 

Janet

 

[Observer]

Lorain,I think SS is right on the money and I meant to comment on those series of posts yesterday. I think Patrick is a big time snake. JMHO