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« Reply #820 on: June 22, 2008, 10:02:10 AM »

I found three Charles Croes' in Kissimmee. This is south of Orlando if I remember correctly from the Jennifer Kesse case.
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« Reply #821 on: June 22, 2008, 10:02:39 AM »

I have a few thoughts about the video.  I firmly believe that a video was made. I do believe that Paulass's trip to Florida had smething to do with a payoff or hiding something in the US, because I think that he was anticipating a possible upcoming arrest.  I'm not quite certain, though, that Paulass would have been buying the video, although he might have been hiding a video for safe keeping.  We don't know who's images were on that video.  By this point, the video was on numerous hard drives.  Freddy filmed the original version.  It was transferred to Deepak's computer who then transferred it to Florida.  It was probably on the Sloot computer before the "virus" wiped it clean.  Paying for the Florida copy of the video wouldn't make sense because it was already on several Aruban computers.  I don't think at this point that he would have been selling it to Mr. Pink, because the police investigation had started. I don't think Mr. Pink would have wanted to touch it.  My gut tells me that Paulass hid the video in the US and now gets hush money from those who have faces on that video, or who have faces of their sons on that video.
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« Reply #822 on: June 22, 2008, 10:03:13 AM »

aruba is so sneaky.......EB is listed as a participant of CTDC

Hon. Edison Briesen
Minister of Transportation & Tourism
Ministry of Transportation &
Tourism
Aruba Government Office
L.G. Smith Boulevard No. 172
Oranjestad
ARUBA
Tel: 011-297-588-0114
Fax: 011-297-582-4707
011-297-588-0121
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edisonbriesen@yahoo.com
t.waldron@aruba.com
http://www.onecaribbean.org/content/files/Ministerslistjune182008.pdf
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« Reply #823 on: June 22, 2008, 10:05:58 AM »

FLORIDA     Jacqueline Croes     Aruba Convention Bureau     USA

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« Reply #824 on: June 22, 2008, 10:16:47 AM »

I have a few thoughts about the video.  I firmly believe that a video was made. I do believe that Paulass's trip to Florida had smething to do with a payoff or hiding something in the US, because I think that he was anticipating a possible upcoming arrest.  I'm not quite certain, though, that Paulass would have been buying the video, although he might have been hiding a video for safe keeping.  We don't know who's images were on that video.  By this point, the video was on numerous hard drives.  Freddy filmed the original version.  It was transferred to Deepak's computer who then transferred it to Florida.  It was probably on the Sloot computer before the "virus" wiped it clean.  Paying for the Florida copy of the video wouldn't make sense because it was already on several Aruban computers.  I don't think at this point that he would have been selling it to Mr. Pink, because the police investigation had started. I don't think Mr. Pink would have wanted to touch it.  My gut tells me that Paulass hid the video in the US and now gets hush money from those who have faces on that video, or who have faces of their sons on that video.

I don't think any video is hidden here in the U.S.

I believe Freddy filmed the video and Deepak is the one who downloaded it on his computer from Freddy's camera.  It was the Kalpoes who returned the camera to Freddy I believe.  This is why Deepak is so confident and he knows he has the Sloots by the you know what.  I also believe that Paulus is on the video.  It was filmed at the Sloot home.

Paulus = Premeditated Murder.
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« Reply #825 on: June 22, 2008, 10:17:01 AM »

This is working out very well 

Mr. Hendrik Croes is the new Public Relations Officer at the AAA N.V. and Hill start on August 1st 2007.

http://cms.aruba.com/ms/agents/aruba-product-update/july/
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« Reply #826 on: June 22, 2008, 10:33:57 AM »



CROES, John Charles   – was allegedly chatting online to Deepak on May 30, 2005 after Deepak claims he got home after dropping Natalee & Joran off. Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6-19-05, 6-21-05, 6-22-05 & 6-28-05.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=JsT9lAWw6vO215


Also from the Important Case Doc thread, Aruban Who's Who:

CROES, Urbano – Excelsior Casino Manager,  interviewed by ALE twice,  6-21 & 6-22-05.
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« Reply #827 on: June 22, 2008, 10:36:41 AM »



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Would this John Charles Croes be about 25 years old?  If so, I have an address for you.
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« Reply #828 on: June 22, 2008, 10:40:11 AM »



CROES, John Charles   – was allegedly chatting online to Deepak on May 30, 2005 after Deepak claims he got home after dropping Natalee & Joran off. Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6-19-05, 6-21-05, 6-22-05 & 6-28-05.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=JsT9lAWw6vO215


Also from the Important Case Doc thread, Aruban Who's Who:

CROES, Urbano – Excelsior Casino Manager,  interviewed by ALE twice,  6-21 & 6-22-05.


Klaas, have thought it was the same guy, but the first one said friend of Guido!!!

Name: Urban Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 111:20
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Patricia Wendriks
Description: witness statement by a friend of Guido Wever

Name: Urbano Croes
Date: 22 June 2005 / 10:30
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus/Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by an Excelsior Casino Manager


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« Reply #829 on: June 22, 2008, 10:41:15 AM »



Rob
Would this John Charles Croes be about 25 years old?  If so, I have an address for you.

Lalas
ok, terrific, cause I'm not finding him yet.
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« Reply #830 on: June 22, 2008, 10:45:05 AM »

Hope you are sitting down, you will find this address a little familiar.  This address is courtesy of a very smart monkey.  She/he gets all the credit.

    99th Ct , DORAL, FL 33178
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« Reply #831 on: June 22, 2008, 10:46:22 AM »



Rob
Would this John Charles Croes be about 25 years old?  If so, I have an address for you.


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Lala’s…Allyinmiami…I only found what was on google…LOL…Our ‘Finder /Connect the dots Monkey…vms… found the rest…I am still working on checkme though….beach tennis connection, used to make model planes, American or Dutch…

Welcome back Tyler!!!
 
Thanks to vms, Pita and Buckeye on the tennis pic…

Ernesto…hopefully can put it all together in the morning, right now nobody could make sense of what I have!!! Hope I can!  Will post in the Shango thread!

Busy day…be in and out…have a great day!




 










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« Reply #832 on: June 22, 2008, 10:58:54 AM »

Hope you are sitting down, you will find this address a little familiar.  This address is courtesy of a very smart monkey.  She/he gets all the credit.

    99th Ct , DORAL, FL 33178

Lala's - help me out here, what other person is linked to this address?  I've tried searching and haven't found anything, LOL. 
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« Reply #833 on: June 22, 2008, 11:00:14 AM »

Hi Mum!
Sorry, did I say Ally?  I meant the info you found on Ernesto and Freddy.  Sorry, I must have had Ally on my brain, since I knew Tyler had shown me some stuff on her from about 2 years ago...my mistake.  I was so excited to see Tylergal a million thoughts were racing through my mind at the time.  So many things I wanted to ask her.

What I was trying to say or ask was did Tylergal still have that photo that I saw of her that she had shown me before?  I would love to see it again.  It's at a party or something.  I had it saved on my other computer which died in a crash about a year ago.  So sorry if I confused you.  It was one of those senior moments for me and I have them more often lately. 
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« Reply #834 on: June 22, 2008, 11:02:09 AM »

Hope you are sitting down, you will find this address a little familiar.  This address is courtesy of a very smart monkey.  She/he gets all the credit.

    99th Ct , DORAL, FL 33178

Lala's - help me out here, what other person is linked to this address?  I've tried searching and haven't found anything, LOL. 

I was referring to the city of Doral...isn't that one of Jossy's addresses and located close to our illustrious Gabe and a little way from some of Ernesto's old addresses?  Seems to be a hub of Aruban relocation.
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« Reply #835 on: June 22, 2008, 11:06:59 AM »

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« Reply #836 on: June 22, 2008, 11:10:36 AM »

I have a few thoughts about the video.  I firmly believe that a video was made. I do believe that Paulass's trip to Florida had smething to do with a payoff or hiding something in the US, because I think that he was anticipating a possible upcoming arrest.  I'm not quite certain, though, that Paulass would have been buying the video, although he might have been hiding a video for safe keeping.  We don't know who's images were on that video.  By this point, the video was on numerous hard drives.  Freddy filmed the original version.  It was transferred to Deepak's computer who then transferred it to Florida.  It was probably on the Sloot computer before the "virus" wiped it clean.  Paying for the Florida copy of the video wouldn't make sense because it was already on several Aruban computers.  I don't think at this point that he would have been selling it to Mr. Pink, because the police investigation had started. I don't think Mr. Pink would have wanted to touch it.  My gut tells me that Paulass hid the video in the US and now gets hush money from those who have faces on that video, or who have faces of their sons on that video.

I don't think any video is hidden here in the U.S.

I believe Freddy filmed the video and Deepak is the one who downloaded it on his computer from Freddy's camera.  It was the Kalpoes who returned the camera to Freddy I believe.  This is why Deepak is so confident and he knows he has the Sloots by the you know what.  I also believe that Paulus is on the video.  It was filmed at the Sloot home.

Paulus = Premeditated Murder.



Good point, San!  I have played your scenario over and over in my head because this was actually my thinking for a long time.  Deepak is not just confident, he's cocky because he does have the goods on someone who is probably Paulass.  I keep asking myself, though, who is paying Paulass?  Where is Urine getting all of his money?  I keep coming back to the thought that Paulass has to have the goods on someone else who is very big.  If not, Aruba most likely would have thrown both Paulass and Urine under the bus long ago.  Paulass seemed to have been calling an awful lot of shots in the beginning. Something was giving him a lot of power.  I think that Deepak does have Paulass by the family jewels, but I think that Paulass also has somebody big by their family jewels.  The answer is on that video tape and I think that Paulass has the tape in a very safe place.  As long as the tape exists, Paulass and Urine are safe and affluent.
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« Reply #837 on: June 22, 2008, 11:19:41 AM »






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« Reply #838 on: June 22, 2008, 11:34:56 AM »

Everytime Rob adds another pin to his map, I get a visceral reaction.  This group is so involved with all of this.  They have either been participants in the event or participants in the coverup.  Dare I ask if perhaps J.M. himself has a copy of the video?  He knows every detail of what took place that night.  Remember, "The News" had a key.  The question is who is "The News" - Renfro/Chemaly or J.M.?  Could Paulass have met with J.M. on his Florida trip and presented him with a gift in return for protection and money?  Does the key = the video?
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« Reply #839 on: June 22, 2008, 11:42:46 AM »

Everytime Rob adds another pin to his map, I get a visceral reaction.  This group is so involved with all of this.  They have either been participants in the event or participants in the coverup.  Dare I ask if perhaps J.M. himself has a copy of the video?  He knows every detail of what took place that night.  Remember, "The News" had a key.  The question is who is "The News" - Renfro/Chemaly or J.M.?  Could Paulass have met with J.M. on his Florida trip and presented him with a gift in return for protection and money?  Does the key = the video?

SS HI ... hey I have an idea. There is a book, and it could be online, that uses reverse directory associations. Instead of the name of the person, it uses the street address and old time door to door salesmen used it. I forget the name of this thing, but it might be easier going street by street and cross referencing them opposed to finding a name and then looking up all the associated addresses. Follow me here?
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