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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
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- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
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Quote from: ******* on June 23, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
I watched Jossy Mansur very closely over the years and I believe he was sincere in helping Natalee get justice and bringing in the perps. I know in my heart and by his actions that is true. However I believe he has given up and is not telling us much of what he knows for the obvious reasons. The days of Jossy being a vocal supporter for Natalee are over,he is not willing to sacrafice anything in regards to her getting justice and the powers that be I think put major pressure on this man to shut up. It's a no win situation for him supporting Natalee and trying to fight against the corruption that runs that country and the cover up.
I agree *******
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: ******* on June 23, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
I watched Jossy Mansur very closely over the years and I believe he was sincere in helping Natalee get justice and bringing in the perps. I know in my heart and by his actions that is true. However I believe he has given up and is not telling us much of what he knows for the obvious reasons. The days of Jossy being a vocal supporter for Natalee are over,he is not willing to sacrafice anything in regards to her getting justice and the powers that be I think put major pressure on this man to shut up. It's a no win situation for him supporting Natalee and trying to fight against the corruption that runs that country and the cover up.
Exactly
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
SS
- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
Is that really necessary, Klaas? Many of those references contain government reports from the UK and ISA.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 23, 2008, 03:03:24 PM »
Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
SS
- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
Is that really necessary, Klaas? Many of those references contain government reports from the UK and ISA.
Edit: UK and USA
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: ******* on June 23, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
I watched Jossy Mansur very closely over the years and I believe he was sincere in helping Natalee get justice and bringing in the perps. I know in my heart and by his actions that is true. However I believe he has given up and is not telling us much of what he knows for the obvious reasons.
The days of Jossy being a vocal supporter for Natalee are over,he is not willing to sacrafice anything in regards to her getting justice and the powers that be I think put major pressure on this man to shut up. It's a no win situation for him supporting Natalee and trying to fight against the corruption that runs that country and the cover up.
******* ... I agree.
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2008, 11:28:12 PM
I am not turning my back on Jossy. He went out on a limb for the family of Natalee Holloway. He went so far out on that limb that Rudy Croes declared a boycott on his DIARIO publication. Jossy had to appeal to the Queen to get Rudy Croes to back off.
Following his pledge in December, 2007 to Scared Monkeys that he would continue his quest for justice for Natalee Holloway until the truth was reveal ... Jossy voice became suspiciously silence and ... his last interview with Dana ... he was very elusive.
We do not know what has gone on behind the scenes since December, 2007. We have no idea what pressure the "powers that be" in Aruba may have put on him. Jossy had some family issues. Also ... it must not be forgotten that Jossy has a serious heart condition.
Over the past three years ... Jossy Mansur could have kept quiet but he didn't. He appeared on the American talk show circuit. There were several interview that he granted to us Monkeys through Red and Dana. The DIARIO publication printed the one page letter from Monkeys submitted by Destiny on the third anniversary of Natalee Holloway disappearance.
Then there were his many editorials translated by Getagrip ... never give the "powers that be" a pass.
I have never gotten involved with Shango's riddle. Why? I consider Shango to be a very very cruel person. He/She claims to know the truth encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and ... yet has chosen to put her poor family through a H--- on Earth for the past thre years. He/she could have come forward anonomously to the FBI.
Monkeys ... our research may reveal that Jossy has a shady past but ... his words and actions in the past three years have proved that he is a man of honor. No other Aruban has done what Jossy has done for the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
SS
- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
Is that really necessary, Klaas? Many of those references contain government reports from the UK and ISA.
Edit: UK and USA
Klaas - this discussion is an outgrowth of the location and proximity of the Mansur businesses and homes to the porn video businesses in Miami.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
SS
- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
Klass ... this IS what I have been thinking while scanning the post from the past week. There seems to have been an attempt to undermine everything that Jossy Mansur has done in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway by negating his character with no credible backup.
This is exactly EXACTLY what the trolls on other sites have been doing since day one when Jossy stepped forward to be a voice for Natalee Holloway and a support to the family via his publication ... talk show circuit ... Scared Monkey interviews with Red and Dana ...
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« Reply #26 on: Today at 01:16:19 AM »
Quote from: MIP6 on December 05, 2006, 10:43:14 PM
Calling Jossy the return of the Jedi is very accurate.
Jossy is the Darth Vader of this whole mystery.
You remember, Darth, he was a Jedi of the DARK SIDE, you know the Jedi with the personal agenda who didn't give a darn about anything but himself.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 23, 2008, 03:29:45 PM »
Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
SS
- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
Is that really necessary, Klaas? Many of those references contain government reports from the UK and ISA.
Edit: UK and USA
Klaas - this discussion is an outgrowth of the location and proximity of the Mansur businesses and homes to the porn video businesses in Miami.
SS - I know how the discussion got started. I'm not sure what you mean "is that necessary"? I was simply stating my opinion as a poster so I guess I felt it was necessary.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Reply #129 on:
June 23, 2008, 03:32:06 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2008, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
I really have to question why all of a sudden we are seeing all this OLD information about Jossy being brought up. This is nothing new. I'm finding it very curious
SS
- most of the sites you have referenced above are about as good as referencing Julia Renfro, Stinkypete or RU.
Klass ... this IS what I have been thinking while scanning the post from the past week. There seems to have been an attempt to undermine everything that Jossy Mansur has done in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway by negating his character with
no credible backup
.
This is exactly EXACTLY what the trolls on other sites have been doing since day one when Jossy stepped forward to be a voice for Natalee Holloway and a support to the family via his publication ... talk show circuit ... Scared Monkey interviews with Red and Dana ...
Janet
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Re: Jossy Mansur ... The Return of the Jedi
« Reply #26 on: Today at 01:16:19 AM »
Quote from: MIP6 on December 05, 2006, 10:43:14 PM
Calling Jossy the return of the Jedi is very accurate.
Jossy is the Darth Vader of this whole mystery.
You remember, Darth, he was a Jedi of the DARK SIDE, you know the Jedi with the personal agenda who didn't give a darn about anything but himself.
No credible backup - exactly. We've seen the same thing done to Beth and Jug's character.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Hi All,
Just wanted to update everyone about DC. Aruba never showed. As Linda said, It was great. They were on the list to go, and then pulled out....I imagine it was costly.Almost every other Island was there...so unless they were disguised, they didnt show, We walked around wearing our shirts and gavethe 20.00 Bills out at the food court where the owners put them out... I gave them to the teenagers who were there. There really wasnt much to do because like I said Aruba was to embarresed to show their ugly faces...Pictures will be coming and Yes its me cause Linda had the camers. It was taken at the NY Times Booth. I hope someone sends it to the Times....We left the 20.00 bills on each Booths table and in the ladies room. Prayer cards were handed out the next day, but I left because like I said NOONE was going to aruba...
Thanks for your prayers and support. Linda it was wonderful meeting you and I hope and pray we can all meet in Alabama when they bring Natalee home,
Hugs
Vicki
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 02:31:21 PM
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1023_n.php
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1017_e.php
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhealth/27/0021603.htm
http://judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa49196.000/hfa49196_0f.htm
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/NarcoHenHouse.htm
http://www.publici.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=335
http://www.intelligence.org.il/Eng/bu/hizbullah/pb/app14.htm
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1473569/US-Air-Force-drug-funded-terrorism
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:YVvl_lbyRScJ:www.tobaccofreekids.org/campaign/global/framework/docs/Smuggling.pdf+mansur+aruba+corruption&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=94&gl=us
www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/frd1003.pdf
I've been trying to find where in the official government links above it specifically mentions
Jossy Mansur
, can you help me find it? I may have missed it.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: ******* on June 23, 2008, 03:36:49 PM
Hi All,
Just wanted to update everyone about DC. Aruba never showed. As Linda said, It was great. They were on the list to go, and then pulled out....I imagine it was costly.Almost every other Island was there...so unless they were disguised, they didnt show, We walked around wearing our shirts and gavethe 20.00 Bills out at the food court where the owners put them out... I gave them to the teenagers who were there. There really wasnt much to do because like I said Aruba was to embarresed to show their ugly faces...Pictures will be coming and Yes its me cause Linda had the camers. It was taken at the NY Times Booth. I hope someone sends it to the Times....We left the 20.00 bills on each Booths table and in the ladies room. Prayer cards were handed out the next day, but I left because like I said NOONE was going to aruba...
Thanks for your prayers and support. Linda it was wonderful meeting you and I hope and pray we can all meet in Alabama when they bring Natalee home,
Hugs
Vicki
Thanks for the update *******. I asked Richard to let Vicki know to send me the photos and an update so we can do a front page post on it. I'm going to add a couple of screen shots of the activities I've gotten from the videos on the website. So hopefully I'll get the photos from whomever has them
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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To ALL Monkeys...
I think it was my own darn self that started this whole Jossy fiasco by posting something regarding that I didn't trust Jossy in all things....
To let you all know...I have never talked with, nor emailed Jossy...I have no *personal* experience with Jossy...
But Jossy did have access to something I was trying to get from someone else in Aruba...based on coversations, and emails with that person...I concluded that Jossy put the nix on getting this info...
I is my own personal experience/belief in what I wrote above...based on real personal experience...
That is why we have the JMOO...to use...
I regret posting anything of my own *feelings*...let's just all drop it now....it's getting us nowhere but agitated with each other...and that doesn't help anyone...
We all work, in our own ways to help Natalee....and her Family...
Sorry if any of my input on the forum...has brought us to this....
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Destiny
- it had nothing do to with what you have said or your feelings about Jossy. I think we are all trying to relook at everything and some are looking very carefully at Jossy's background. My problem is even though I'm sure Jossy is no saint, he cannot be blamed for everything the Mansur family has done.
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http://www.awe24.com/
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Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 03:57:14 PM
Destiny
- it had nothing do to with what you have said or your feelings about Jossy. I think we are all trying to relook at everything and some are looking very carefully at Jossy's background. My problem is even though I'm sure Jossy is no saint, he cannot be blamed for everything the Mansur family has done.
Klaas...on this we are in 100% agreement!
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Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
http://www.awe24.com/
NOW THIS
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That's either a paddy wagon or the Mr. Softie
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Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 02:42:59 PM
Nobody has said that Beth has been deceived. JM has been extrememly helpful and supportive of Beth and Dave. I honestly believe that he has great sympathy for both of them. His efforts have been appreciated and continue to be appreciated. He has been as helpful as he can be ......
SS ... if you perceive for one minute that Jossy Mansur is Dirtyhand ... then you must adhere to the belief that Jossy's role in the Natalee Holloway case could possibly be one of deception.
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Quote from: SS on June 23, 2008, 12:24:10 PM
It's certainly possible that JM could be His Lordship. I originally thought that Rudy was Dirty Hand, but JM seems to have more power and the ability to reach into more parts of that island than Rudy does.
Dirty Hand seems to have a lot of power. Shango also said that Dirty Hand doesn't take part in the Raves and we heard that Rudy imports girls from Venezuela. I kind of eliminated Rudy based on the girls. I am now wondering if Rudy is the Arawak King because of his brother Betico's high esteem and importance. I went back and read the posts from June 27th, 2005 and I don't think that Dirty Hand is van der Stratten. Shango made several statements in that post about someone of power helping with the search and then he also mentioned the chief of police. I don't know if Shango meant that Babalu had all parts of the clue correct or if he had hit on part of it at 12:30. I don't think van der Straten has that much power, but I could be completely off base.
It's typical Shango - yesterday I thought Rudy was Dirty Hand, and today I think it's JM.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: Rob on June 23, 2008, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 23, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
http://www.awe24.com/
NOW THIS
IS
FUNNY!!!
That's either a paddy wagon or the Mr. Softie
Ahhhhhhhh...but there appears to be a white van behind Mr. Softie...LOL
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===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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