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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2008, 09:53:12 PM »


Company Profile for:
Atlantic Entertainment, Inc.
Incorporated by Jossy Mansur, Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. is located at 2750 SW 26th Ave Ste 750 Miami, FL 33133. Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. was incorporated on Wednesday, September 16, 1992 in the State of FL and is currently not active. Bryn, Mark J. represents Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. as their registered agent.

Company Web Atlantic Entertainment, Inc.
FEIN: 650357948

Mailing Address:
2750 SW 26th Ave Ste 750
Miami, FL 33133
Miami-Dade County
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State of Florida Incorporation Record for Atlantic Entertainment, Inc.
State:    FL
State #: V64387
Filing Type: Domestic for Profit
Created: 9/16/1992
Status: Inactive

Officer Jossy Mansur

2750 SW 26th Ave
Miami, FL 33133
Miami-Dade County
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Jossy Mansur
2750 SW 26th Ave
Miami, FL 33133
Miami-Dade County   

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Registered Agent Map Web Bryn, Mark J.
444 Brickell Ave
Miami, FL 33131   

Bryn, Mark J.
444 Brickell Ave
Miami, FL 33131 
 

 http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Miami/atlantic-entertainment-inc-4837647.aspx

It says that the company is inactive...

The following is an excerpt from a DEF 14A SEC Filing, filed by SYSTEMONE TECHNOLOGIES INC on 6/30/1999

PIERRE MANSUR is our founder and has served as our Chairman of the Board and President since November 1990. From June 1973 to August 1990, Mr. Mansur served as President of Mansur Industries Inc., a privately held New York corporation that operated a professional race engine machine shop. Mr. Mansur has over twenty years of advanced automotive and machinery operations experience
including developing innovative automotive machine shop applications; designing, manufacturing, customizing, modifying and retooling high performance engines and component parts; developing state of the art automotive and powerboat race engines which have consistently achieved world championship status; and
providing consulting services and publishing articles with respect to automotive technical research data. Mr. Mansur has conducted extensive research and development projects for several companies, including testing and evaluating engine parts and equipment for Direct Connection, a high performance racing division of the Chrysler Corporation; researching and developing specialized engine piston rings and codings for Seal Power Corporation; researching high-tech plastic polymers for internal combustion engines for ICI Americas; and designing and developing specialized high performance engine oil pan applications. Pierre Mansur is the brother of Paul I. Mansur, our Chief Executive Officer and a member of our Board of Directors. Pierre Mansur is a graduate of the City University of New York.


PAUL MANSUR has served as our Chief Executive Officer and a member of our Board of Directors since September 1993. From September 1986 to July 1993, Mr. Mansur served as Chief Executive Officer of Atlantic Entertainment Inc., a privately held regional retail chain of video superstores. From March 1981 to September 1986, Mr. Mansur served as the Chief Executive Officer and President of Ameritrade Corporation, a privately held international distributor of factory direct duty free products. From June 1972 to March 1981, Mr. Mansur held various finance and operation positions, including Assistant Vice President Finance and Operations for Mott's USA, Inc., a division of American Brands. Paul Mansur is the brother of Pierre G. Mansur, our Chairman of the Board and President. Paul Mansur is a graduate of the City University of New York.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/1999/06/30/10/0000950144-99-008358/Section5.asp

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Correct me if I'm wrong, the above connects Paul Mansur, Pierre Mansur and Jossy Mansur.  It also connects them to Atlantic Entertainment Inc which was a regional chain of video rental stores 

If it turns out out the Atlantic Entertainment Inc. is connected with pornographic videos ... I am done!!

Janet

United American Corp · 10SB12G · On 10/13/99 · EX-3.1
Filed On 10/13/99   ·   SEC File 0-27621   ·   Accession Number 891554-99-1927


Mark J. Bryn                           
444 Brickell Avenue, Suite #750          
Miami, Florida 33131 

http://www.secinfo.com/dr6wd.61s8.d.htm

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2008, 09:54:18 PM »


If it turns out out the Atlantic Entertainment Inc. is connected with pornographic videos ... I am done!!

Janet

Janet - I would say the odds are rising.

The odds are also rising that PVDS may have met one of these many connections to Aruba ,Porn or the Mob/Cartels at 701 or 444 Brickell Ave.

Where is Kermit when you need him? He says the FBI knows.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2008, 10:02:06 PM »

Wait a minute!!!

 

It would appear that Jossy, Paul and Pierre Mansur's affiliations with Atlantic Entertainment ended in 1993 ... twelve years prior to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Have I got that right?

Janet
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2008, 10:04:44 PM »

Wait a minute!!!

 

It would appear that Jossy, Paul and Pierre Mansur's affiliations with Atlantic Entertainment ended in 1993 ... twelve years prior to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Have I got that right?

Janet

I meant 1993.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2008, 10:07:01 PM »

Mum - it seems like forever that I have been convinced that JM was Shango.  I think that I wanted to see him as the good guy, in spite of the BAT history, because he helped Beth.  I felt that he was politically motivated to help, but he still helped.  Now, I see that help as selective and in areas where he knew it was safe to help.  When LaLa's and Rob started uncovering the video businesses in Florida and the correlations to Mansur businesses, I started to become skeptical.  I am convinced that someone with deep pockets is financing Paulass, Urine, and the Kalpoes right now.  Someone is paying for their lifestyles and the best lawyers that money can buy.  Paulass's trip to Florida suddenly set me off in a different direction.  I've been rereading Shango over and over, and now I see JM loud and clear.  Shango is correct.  If Dirty Hand is exposed the entire house of cards will fall.  Dirty Hand knows.  JM knows.  DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder


LOL...Shango was not a good guy...he/she was a chicken...



Yes, you're right.  It would have been better stated as ... I didn't want to see him as Dirty Hand because he had helped Beth.  JM has to make sure that Paulass, Urine, and the Kalpoes never talk because if they do, that entire Florida operation will explode as well as the illegal stuff on crappy island.  They now have the best lawyers that can be found and their lives are quite comfortable.


Can we find out what Babalu posted at 12:30 on June 27, 2005?
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2008, 10:07:40 PM »

Wait a minute!!!

 

It would appear that Jossy, Paul and Pierre Mansur's affiliations with Atlantic Entertainment ended in 1993 ... twelve years prior to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Have I got that right?

Janet

Yes, that's correct long before Natalee
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2008, 10:10:12 PM »

Mum - it seems like forever that I have been convinced that JM was Shango.  I think that I wanted to see him as the good guy, in spite of the BAT history, because he helped Beth.  I felt that he was politically motivated to help, but he still helped.  Now, I see that help as selective and in areas where he knew it was safe to help.  When LaLa's and Rob started uncovering the video businesses in Florida and the correlations to Mansur businesses, I started to become skeptical.  I am convinced that someone with deep pockets is financing Paulass, Urine, and the Kalpoes right now.  Someone is paying for their lifestyles and the best lawyers that money can buy.  Paulass's trip to Florida suddenly set me off in a different direction.  I've been rereading Shango over and over, and now I see JM loud and clear.  Shango is correct.  If Dirty Hand is exposed the entire house of cards will fall.  Dirty Hand knows.  JM knows.  DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder


LOL...Shango was not a good guy...he/she was a chicken...



Yes, you're right.  It would have been better stated as ... I didn't want to see him as Dirty Hand because he had helped Beth.  JM has to make sure that Paulass, Urine, and the Kalpoes never talk because if they do, that entire Florida operation will explode as well as the illegal stuff on crappy island.  They now have the best lawyers that can be found and their lives are quite comfortable.


Can we find out what Babalu posted at 12:30 on June 27, 2005?
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

Babalu was talking about Jan vander Straten.
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2008, 10:34:46 PM »

Babalu was talking about Jan vander Straten



Oh swell, that doesn't fit at all.  I have been wandering around the LCDs and I can't find the posts from 2005.  Do we still have them?
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2008, 10:42:28 PM »

Babalu was talking about Jan vander Straten



Oh swell, that doesn't fit at all.  I have been wandering around the LCDs and I can't find the posts from 2005.  Do we still have them?

Right now we only have archived forum posts for 2 weeks of June 2005.  The front page posts are all there. 

Babalu, Shango, Simian were all posting on the front page of SM.
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2008, 11:12:15 PM »

Maybe Jossey isnt a bad person but he knows too much and has to cover for somone higher up.  Who would that be?
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2008, 11:20:51 PM »

Do you think its possible that JM planted the shoe, but then realized he couldnt give a copy of the letter to Destiny because you all might recoginize his writing style.....but he just wanted to case to be solved and over with???
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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2008, 11:25:49 PM »

Babalu was talking about Jan vander Straten



Oh swell, that doesn't fit at all.  I have been wandering around the LCDs and I can't find the posts from 2005.  Do we still have them?

Right now we only have archived forum posts for 2 weeks of June 2005.  The front page posts are all there. 

Babalu, Shango, Simian were all posting on the front page of SM.



Thanks Klaas.  I think I found them.  I was looking in the wrong place.  Now I just have to read through it all.
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2008, 11:28:12 PM »

I am not turning my back on Jossy.  He went out on a limb for the family of Natalee Holloway.  He went so far out on that limb that Rudy Croes declared a boycott on his DIARIO publication.  Jossy had to appeal to the Queen to get Rudy Croes to back off.

Following his pledge in December, 2007 to Scared Monkeys that he would continue his quest for justice for Natalee Holloway until the truth was reveal ... Jossy voice became suspiciously silence and ... his last interview with Dana ... he was very elusive.

We do not know what has gone on behind the scenes since December, 2007.  We have no idea what pressure the "powers that be" in Aruba may have put on him.  Jossy had some family issues.  Also ... it must not be forgotten that Jossy has a serious heart condition.

Over the past three years ... Jossy Mansur could have kept quiet but he didn't.  He appeared on the American talk show circuit.  There were several interview that he granted to us Monkeys through Red and Dana.  The DIARIO publication printed the one page letter from Monkeys submitted by Destiny on the third anniversary of Natalee Holloway disappearance.

I have never gotten involved with Shango's riddle.  Why?  I consider Shango to be a very very cruel person.  He/She claims to know the truth encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and ... yet has chosen to put her poor family through a H--- on Earth for the past thre years.  He/she could have come forward anonomously to the FBI.

Monkeys ... our research may reveal that Jossy has a shady past but ... his words and actions in the past three years have proved that he is a man of honor.  No other Aruban has done what Jossy has done.

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BETH TWITTY
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005


TWITTY: Well, you know, I‘ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he‘s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he‘s my only hope on the island. And we‘ll be forever grateful to him.


DAVE HOLLOWAY
Dana Pretzer Show
September 8, 2006


HOLLOWAY: Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they're attacking him because he's looking for-- fighting for-- the truth. That’s what a good journalist does--He's going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth


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April 6, 2007

 
Comment #20 ... I think he is a good man looking for the truth. He will not let them push him around. This is his home and is probably sick of the corruption that happens every day on such a large scale on such a small island.
Comment by Steve Holloway | April 6, 2007, 1:02 pm


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December 5, 2005


Comment #6 ... THANK YOU JOSSY I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT BUT YOU HAVE BEEN THERE FOR US FROM THE BEGENNING AND THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.
Comment by JUG TWITTY | December 5, 2006, 10:57 am


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Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005


DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007


Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005


MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
DIARIO Aruba
April 26, 2006


Further, the gardener’s testimony stands as valid and concrete to this day. He confirmed this in front of a judge. He passed a lie detector test successfully! Nothing of what he has said has been contradicted with solid proof to this day.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


Jossy Mansur
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
February 16, 2006


COSBY: … In the civil suit, it provided some nuggets of some of the information, and some of this hadn‘t really been highlighted before, Jossy. It said, “In the early hours of Monday morning”—this was when Natalee went missing—“Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleaned his silver Nissan car, claiming after the fact that it had bad ants in it.”

Had you heard that before, Jossy? And that, I think, is an interesting nugget.

MANSUR: Yes, ma‘am, we have heard it. We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 23, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That`s what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don`t know whether the police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.

GRACE: Well, they already know it`s from a public phone. They know where it was. Take a listen to this.

<snipped>

... Jossy, I want to get everything I can from you that you know about this jogger. Could you just tell me, what night is it the jogger calls police about what he saw?

MANSUR: I think it was two or three nights after Natalee disappeared. I don`t know. I don`t have any of the answers to that. I don`t know any of the facts involved. I know that the police have put out a call for him. They`ve requested us to publish it, where we did publish a request for this man to come forward. And they`ve been on the radio and everywhere else, asking for this jogger to show up, to give his testimony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005


DANIELS:  Yes.  But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today.  It has to mean something.  There has to be a master plan here.  What are you hearing about that?
 
MANSUR:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.
 
What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case.  He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran.  And then he was released.  And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006


DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Jossy Mansur
DANA SHOW
June 18, 2006


MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pletzer Show
October 5, 2007


MANSUR: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006


MANSUR:  I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005


GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
 
GRACE: OK. So you`ve got a white pick-up at the Holiday Inn, where Natalee was staying. You`ve got a white pick-up at the landfill. Both eyewitnesses state that there were three individuals, I`m assuming male. But can they give an identification of Joran Van Der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers?
 
MANSUR: None of them have given that kind of a description. They haven`t identified the three males. But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005


MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Caso Natalee Procesverbaal di polis hulandes ta mustra ‘NAN’ A DRENTA PANICO ORA CU NATALEE A KEDA ‘PASSED OUT’
The Natalee Case...Dutch official report shows
'THEY' WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED 'PASSED OUT'


Oranjestad (AAN) As promised to the peoples of Aruba and the U.S.A., DIARIO will continue with its investigation on the missing girl, Natalee Holloway, and will publish legitimate documents accompanied by analysis and questions that sooner or later will bring out the truth.

Today, the investigative team of DIARIO is publishing part of an
official report given by a Dutch police officer who came to Aruba to
interrogate Joran van der Sloot among others.

The Dutch police officer states that Joran van Der Sloot is aware of
the possibility that exists that one day the American authorities will
ask for his extradition due to the fact that the missing girl (Natalee)
is an American Citizen. Joran's reaction was that he began to laugh!!!

Now Joran began to laugh because he was afraid or because he felt
reassured because he was told beforehand that "no body, no crime"?

From this same official report one can deduct that Joran again throws the ball in Deepak Kalpoe's corner, because he tells the Dutch officer that if they interrogate Deepak in the same manner that they interrogated Joran, then Deepak for sure will tell the truth. Which truth? How come the Dutch police officer did not ask Van der Sloot about which truth he was referring to?

Joran also said that if some weeks before they had interrogated him in the aforementioned manner, then the truth would have come out much faster!

Again the question remains: to what truth is Joran referring to? The
supposed truth that he left Natalee behind all alone on the beach?

That is the truth that he so heavily sustained during so many weeks with his mouth closed, turn all sorts of story around, remain without speaking, become fresh with the police interrogators, come every time with a different story to contradict other stories, and that show that he had been lying from the beginning?

The question now is: what is Joran referring to with this 'different
form of interrogation'?

How come they did not continue with this 'different form of
interrogation' of the suspects, to determine what happened to Natalee and where Natalee is?

The culminating part of this procesvebaal (official report) is that
when the police officer mentioned the following: "I, De Ruiter,
mentioned to Van der Sloot that there was no interest in lying to
him about this fact (he is referring to the declaration of Freddy Zedan Arambatzis) because the importance of the declaration made by the witness Zedan Arambatzis, was directed towards the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May told Freddy the story about the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy also that "they" went into panic when Natalee remained "passed out"!

Everyone can read today what was put black on white "Dat ze" went into panic, and the "Ze" here in Dutch shows that more than one person was involved in that part about entering into panic, because "ze" is plural.

There is nowhere in this official report that Joran hurriedly contradicted the Dutch police when reference was made to "They" entered into panic and said that there were no other people involved!!!

Seeing that the Dutch officer himself mentions that "they" entered
into panic, according to the declaration of Freddy Zedan, then there were more than one person involved and everyone can reach his own conclusion that Freddy Zedan knows those who he himself referred to as "they", or in Papiamento "nan". "They" went into panic when Natalee remained passed out!!! This means that more than one person was present when Natalee remained passed out
and where are these people who were with Natalee when she remained passed out?

On the beach like "they" want the police and everyone else to believe, or elsewhere?

Do they who belong to the group referred to as "they" realize now that the circle is slowly closing around "them"? For those who understand what this means, few words are necessary!

The strange part is that Joran declared to the Dutch policeman based on his questions, that he had recently spoken to the witness Freddy Zedan Arambatzis, and that during that conversation, Joran asked Freddy why he mentioned the date of 30 May, and Van der Sloot told the policeman that he (Freddy) just mentioned a date and that the witness in truth heard the story from Van der Sloot himself the day after Natalee disappeared.

Here's another point in the investigation that proves very controversial and even questions severely the fact that a suspect in police custody or is under investigation, even has the possibility and facility to speak to one of the witnesses, that is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.

In which part of the world can a suspect under police investigation
for the disappearance of someone, get the possibility to speak to a
witness who is his friend?

On which day did Joran speak with Freddy, where and who gave Joran (while in police custody) the great privilege to speak to a witness who can declare in his favor?

Reading the expositions of the Dutch police officer, who mentioned
extradition to Joran, sources in the U.S. are indicating that they are
waiting for the opportune moment to ask for the extradition of Joran van der Sloot, the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Freddy Arambatzis, and other names that have not yet been made public.

Preparations can be under way to petition internationally for an order of arrest via the Interpol for those who the U.S. wants to extradite because, as those sources say, they will get them any part of the world and will bring them to justice; in Aruba they won't get as many years in prison like in the U.S.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/6/

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Jossy Mansur
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December 9, 2007


Jossy Mansur also made it known that DIARIO will not stop in the pursuit of the truth in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We asked Jossy Mansur, the managing editor of Diario, his opinion on this matter.

I wish I could give you a proper answer, but I have the same dilemma of belief in the prosecution. I don’t know how Moss could risk re-arresting the three suspects, give such confident interviews, speak with so much determination about his new evidence, and then suddenly is willing to throw in the towel and put an end to his resolve. Was it just a show, a public exhibition of “we did everything that we could, but at the end couldn’t”, prior to closing the case and attempt in the process to put up a front of “good intentions” and nothing else? It seems so from this new perspective that he himself has created. It brings to mind the opinion that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”!

We at the DIARIO have been questioning other incomprehensible attitudes of the prosecuting department on other matters with concrete, documented facts. It has become obvious to us and to the independent part of the population that the prosecutors will only act on behalf of the government against its opponents, but never….and I will repeat NEVER against the corrupt Ministers and Parliament members of the ruling party. In short, the majority of the people in Aruba are convinced that politics has a lot to do with the prosecution’s decisions.

I said that once in an editorial against the Attorney General and she took me to court. She lost in the lower courts, appealed, and lost again in the High Court! I was upheld in that statement by four different Dutch Judges! And so was the mayor opposing party, the AVP, who said the same thing and was also taken to Court and also won their case against the Attorney General. I believe in the Judges in Aruba, but how can I continue to believe in the prosecutors when faced with such devastating facts? I am willing to uphold our system of justice, I am willing to go to great lengths to defend it because it has functioned well in most cases, but it too has to show me that it is blind to political influence and and any kind of pressure in ALL cases! And that is pathetically missing in Natalee’s case,

Mos may have thrown in the towel, or is willing to do so and not go to trial, but we at the DIARIO will never give up on the case until the truth is know about what happened to Natalee. The first thing I will order Monday morning is a total review of the case, from its incipience, and to put all the FACTS together, and that it be published, including the documents, admissions, interviews and other pertinent facts that are in our possession. We will give it our best to prove to Mos and his associates that the case cannot be closed while there is so much fact, indication and admissions in play!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/09/jossy-mansur-provides-an-opinion-on-the-actions-of-aruban-prosecutor-hans-mos/


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 17, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don`t know what`s happening, but the gardener, the witness, did stand by his story. He did confirm in front of the judge, in front of the defense attorneys, in front of the suspects, that he recognized, and he even recognized two of the three suspects that were there. He hasn`t changed his story one bit.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007


Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.  I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 3, 2005


GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools?
 
MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it.
 
GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy.

MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2008, 11:32:11 PM »

Janet - I'm inclined to agree with you about Jossy.  Even though I believe some of his motives are politically motivated, I don't believe he is obstructing justice in the NH case.  
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2008, 11:36:43 PM »

Also ... Gretagrip has translated countless editorials from DAIRIO authorted by Jossy Mansur uphold the family's perception that a corruption stood in the way of justice for Natalee Holloway.

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2008, 11:37:15 PM »

Maybe Jossey isnt a bad person but he knows too much and has to cover for somone higher up.  Who would that be?




I think Jossy's pretty high on the food chain.  Maybe he's trying to protect all of the illegal activities of the cartel, possibly Posner and the mob, or maybe the financial interests that his own family are involved in.  If all of those illegal activities started to crumble, that entire island would probably fall apart.  Maybe this is why the FBI hasn't helped.  Solving Natalee's disappearance could be explosive as far as the other activities in the web of corruption on the island and heaven only knows where else.  Maybe it's just too big to solve and they're  letting the village idiot (who isn't innocent) take the heat for everyone.
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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2008, 11:37:31 PM »

Babalu was talking about Jan van der Straten

Oh swell, that doesn't fit at all.  I have been wandering around the LCDs and I can't find the posts from 2005.  Do we still have them?

Right now we only have archived forum posts for 2 weeks of June 2005.  The front page posts are all there. 

Babalu, Shango, Simian were all posting on the front page of SM.

SS: I posted lotsa FP links for you
in shango/simian thread

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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2008, 11:37:34 PM »

Janet - I'm inclined to agree with you about Jossy.  Even though I believe some of his motives are politically motivated, I don't believe he is obstructing justice in the NH case.  

Thank you Klaas.

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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2008, 11:43:13 PM »

I can't find any info on Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. in Miami, and I know they are now "inactive".

The only Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. I can find in the US is as follows:

Atlantic Entertainment Inc
201-944-0114

335 E Brinkerhoff Ave
Palisades Park, NJ 7650

Categories: Adult Entertainment
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If it is confirmed that Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. in Miami who lists director as Jossy Mansur was actually Jossy Mansur of Aruba, even though it is inactive as a company, there would be a connection through the same incorporating attorney, Mark J. Bryn, as BangBros, LLC,  Jeffery Greenberg. 

Perhaps Rob can confirm with Grande whether or not the Jossy Mansur connected to Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. in Miami, is in fact Jossy Mansur of Aruba.

 








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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2008, 11:46:01 PM »

I can't find any info on Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. in Miami, and I know they are now "inactive".

The only Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. I can find in the US is as follows:

Atlantic Entertainment Inc
201-944-0114

335 E Brinkerhoff Ave
Palisades Park, NJ 7650

Categories: Adult Entertainment
 Shocked

If it is confirmed that Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. in Miami who lists director as Jossy Mansur was actually Jossy Mansur of Aruba, even though it is inactive as a company, there would be a connection through the same incorporating attorney, Mark J. Bryn, as BangBros, LLC,  Jeffery Greenberg. 

Perhaps Rob can confirm with Grande whether or not the Jossy Mansur connected to Atlantic Entertainment, Inc. in Miami, is in fact Jossy Mansur of Aruba.


Helen ... it most likely is the same Jossy Mansur.  However ... according to a quote I posted on the first page of this thread ... the connection ended in 1993 ... twelve year prior to  the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

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