Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08

[Dayhiker]

Thanks Caesu! And who is Bijleveld? As far as Oduber and Rudy go, they aren't working on shit, they are part of the corruption. That is like the fox guarding the henhouse.

Anna Theodora Bernardina (Ank) Bijleveld-Schouten (IJsselmuiden, 17 March 1962) is a Dutch politician. Since 2007 she is state secretary for Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations. Previously she was mayor of Hof van Twente for the Christian Democratic Appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ank_Bijleveld-Schouten

Thank you my friend. Glad to hear this. The more Dutch politicians that speak up about the corruption on Aruba the better!

[Dayhiker]

tonight in current affairs program Netwerk more about Patrick's book and his cocaine use.

http://www.netwerk.tv/

i want to hear a response from Peter R. de Vries about all this.
i don't think it takes anything away from what JvdS said.

apparently a low-life was needed to get that other low-life to speak.

You know who Natalee dumped into the sea, eh?

‘That is speculation. But I know it. Joran has mentioned a name in the beginning. He didn’t say that person had done something, but that he was befriended with him. When I told the police in Aruba that name, they got crazy, because it confirmed their own suspicions. There were two names. One the day after the disappearance of Natalee has left Aruba. He is a queer from a wealthy family. The police asked me if Joran had bisexual tendencies. ”

Guido confirmed that a long time ago and Joran never denied it. Where have they been?

[carpe noctem]

Patrick states that DeVries knowingly cut out portions of his tape recordings to protect him (even though he didn't ask him to) and presented the tape to ABC as complete.

"Did ABC, the American broadcaster who bought the show, that you used cocaine in the car?
“I do not know for sure. Peter R. de Vries has cut all images from the raw material and to ABC he said: this is all. In order to protect me - even though I had not asked. ”

I have an issue with that. In the first place, if DeVries knew Patrick was doing cocaine, wouldn't the honorable thing to do to be to tell Patrick NOT to continue this. This alone puts DeVries in a poor light for me. I also wonder if ALE isn't aware of this and that is why the tapes could not be used as evidence.

I agree Mrskub, Peter should have laid that out there. They put the grass in there, why not the cocaine? What's to protect? He was already a convicted drug dealing felon, a known drug user and he looks like Al Capone took a slice out of his face with a dull knife.

He was protecting Patrick! De Vries clearly stated he was a succesfull business man and a family man and a hero..If everyone knew he was a snake and a cokehead he would of never been able to sell this BS to ABC or SBS and make that huge money. Meanwhile he went on record and told everyone the case was solved and Beth is at peace

Patrick says he was doing 2-3 grams a day of cocaine a day and De Vries is the one that gave him questions to ask Joran. For sure he knew he was a huge coke head and the questions asked were dispicable and obvious to those of us that know this case inside and out. This is all one sick joke and all we can do is sit back and watch Patrick get rich and probably Joran. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

Here's the horseshit. Peter is protecting him and Patrick tells it all anyway, lol! That's bizarre. I don't believe him that Joran wasn't doing coke. Joran take things up any orifice he gets a chance to.

LITERALLY!


If Joran the Moe-ron was a cardboard box...

 The side-label would read...

ANY END IS UP!

[Lala'sMom]

Again...Guido did not leave Aruba the day after Natalee disappeared.  So who was it?  Who is this person?  It can not be Guido..there is proof he was still on Aruba on June 3 and after that too.

Who on Aruba is from a wealthy family, leans the other way,  and left the day after Natalee disappeared?  We may never know or will we?   

[Tamikosmom]

Peter Devries concedes to Greta that there was 20 hours worth of taping but ... implies the two hours that were shown on ABC told the whole story.

In other words ... Joran only implicated himself and an "unknown" assistant by the name of "Daury".  The Kalpoes were distanced ... his father was distanced (except for smuggled cell phone) ... the sons of the elite where distanced ... those aware of or involved in the corrupt investigation were distanced.  The declarations were non-ussues ... the "serious/strong" suspicions that warrant the detention of suspects were non issues ... the witnesses were non issues ... the evidence was a non-issue ... the casino video tape that implicates Paulus is a non-issue ... the supreme courts ruling that implicated Paulus is a non-issue.

Does Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem really think that Joran's words on the video recording confirms that the Natalee Holloway case was solved and ... closure was where it was at for the family?  GMAB!

Janet

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Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the 20 hours, that's over how many different days? I mean, is that one very long trip, or is it broken up into a number of trips?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's an important question, Greta. It's not just one conversation. It's not a slip of the tongue. We have been recording five days. So several moments, several days, and sometimes a week between it.

<snipped>

DE VRIES: ... we had a couple of hours on tape, so there was nothing to ask because he told the whole story. It was a full confession on tape ...

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape.  Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin ...

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

[caesu]

Thanks Caesu! And who is Bijleveld? As far as Oduber and Rudy go, they aren't working on shit, they are part of the corruption. That is like the fox guarding the henhouse.

Anna Theodora Bernardina (Ank) Bijleveld-Schouten (IJsselmuiden, 17 March 1962) is a Dutch politician. Since 2007 she is state secretary for Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations. Previously she was mayor of Hof van Twente for the Christian Democratic Appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ank_Bijleveld-Schouten

Thank you my friend. Glad to hear this. The more Dutch politicians that speak up about the corruption on Aruba the better!

Bijleveld wasn't really speaking out.
she was just forced to respond to Nico Jörg's interview and Hero Brinkman's report.

but i think this is going to have a follow up.
Nico Jörg's interview with Volkskrant was just too damning for Aruba.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1033323.ece/Ik_heb_het_gevoel_dat_Nederland_het_liefst_van_de_Antillen_af_wil

[Observer]

Patrick states that DeVries knowingly cut out portions of his tape recordings to protect him (even though he didn't ask him to) and presented the tape to ABC as complete.

"Did ABC, the American broadcaster who bought the show, that you used cocaine in the car?
“I do not know for sure. Peter R. de Vries has cut all images from the raw material and to ABC he said: this is all. In order to protect me - even though I had not asked. ”

I have an issue with that. In the first place, if DeVries knew Patrick was doing cocaine, wouldn't the honorable thing to do to be to tell Patrick NOT to continue this. This alone puts DeVries in a poor light for me. I also wonder if ALE isn't aware of this and that is why the tapes could not be used as evidence.

I agree Mrskub, Peter should have laid that out there. They put the grass in there, why not the cocaine? What's to protect? He was already a convicted drug dealing felon, a known drug user and he looks like Al Capone took a slice out of his face with a dull knife.

He was protecting Patrick! De Vries clearly stated he was a succesfull business man and a family man and a hero..If everyone knew he was a snake and a cokehead he would of never been able to sell this BS to ABC or SBS and make that huge money. Meanwhile he went on record and told everyone the case was solved and Beth is at peace

Patrick says he was doing 2-3 grams a day of cocaine a day and De Vries is the one that gave him questions to ask Joran. For sure he knew he was a huge coke head and the questions asked were dispicable and obvious to those of us that know this case inside and out. This is all one sick joke and all we can do is sit back and watch Patrick get rich and probably Joran. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

Here's the horseshit. Peter is protecting him and Patrick tells it all anyway, lol! That's bizarre. I don't believe him that Joran wasn't doing coke. Joran take things up any orifice he gets a chance to.

It's not bizarre..Peter probably made over a million dollars on these tapes and he was protecting Patrick so he could sell this show. His book is called Overboard,so that fits with all the coke he was doing,the weed Joran was smoking and the women they had sex with. Umm o yeh and a Daury who dumped Natalee overboard not knowing if she was dead or alive. This was all for public consumption,to end the case based on lies and to make everyone rich who was part of it. Take a good look at what was talked about on these tapes as it had little truth and little investigative value,thats why this was all staged on TV and not in front of prosecuters in private.

[dennisintn]

I haven't given up on De Vries yet. This may be ACT 2 coming up to take

this little T4B down. Hey, whatever it takes!!!!

De Vries I promise not to call you a B. just yet... only if you really LIKE IT! 

i think mos is handicapped by the way the investigation was handled in the beginning and by a judiciary that has used every excuse except the positions of the moon and stars to keep from trying j2k for their crimes. the judges in the beginning even made it impossible to make the defendants speak a single word about the case.  he's caught between a rock and a hard place, and i don't see that changing anytime soon.  i really believe that mos and borg had the best of intentions in this case but have been sandbagged not only by the judges but by croes and the entire political system of the island, and the business communities who are scared to death of being caught up in the illegal schemes they're all involved in.
dennisintn


I am with you here Carpe. DeVries is the only person investigating the case I do have any faith in. The case would be dead if left in the hands of Hans Mos.

[carpe noctem]

Patric slip of the T ?

He asked me: Patrick, did you ever been my friend? I said,  wait until the broadcast.

I the article ::Hij vroeg me: Patrick, ben je ooit mijn vriend geweest? Ik zei: wacht maar tot de uitzending.

BUMPED


Again, interesting observation.

[Observer]

Patric slip of the T ?

He asked me: Patrick, did you ever been my friend? I said,  wait until the broadcast.

I the article ::Hij vroeg me: Patrick, ben je ooit mijn vriend geweest? Ik zei: wacht maar tot de uitzending.

BUMPED


Again, interesting observation.

Interesting yes..But Patrick said he talked to Joran after he realized there was a show on TV about these tapes  and that was there conversation..He mentioned this on one of the Dutch shows..maybe Pauw and Witteman.

[carpe noctem]

That is Patrick in de Volksrant telling the story of a conversation he and Joran had.

PRE-BROADCAST???

[carpe noctem]

*******,

ahhh okay.


Still, something tell Elmo the whole think reeks like a can of bad  tuna!!!!

[GBMW]

Patric slip of the T ?

He asked me: Patrick, did you ever been my friend? I said,  wait until the broadcast.

I the article ::Hij vroeg me: Patrick, ben je ooit mijn vriend geweest? Ik zei: wacht maar tot de uitzending.

BUMPED


Again, interesting observation.

Interesting yes..But Patrick said he talked to Joran after he realized there was a show on TV about these tapes  and that was there conversation..He mentioned this on one of the Dutch shows..maybe Pauw and Witteman.

Joran was talking to Patrick before he talked to P&W that Friday evening. The conversation with Joran wasn't live.... P&W were talking to his grandmother for some time while Joran was on his cellphone with Patrick.

[Observer]

That is Patrick in de Volksrant telling the story of a conversation he and Joran had.

PRE-BROADCAST???

Correct and after Joran learned of the secret tapes that he had no idea about..lol

Will you still be my best friend carpe? Joran sure handled all of this nicely after Patrick and Peter ruined his life 

[Rob]

That is Patrick in de Volksrant telling the story of a conversation he and Joran had.

PRE-BROADCAST???

SO DUMB SO DUMB REALLY DUMB

How did he know that? How did he know which parts were going to be broadcast? 20 hours - so, how did he know which parts?

[bleachedblack]

Again...Guido did not leave Aruba the day after Natalee disappeared.  So who was it?  Who is this person?  It can not be Guido..there is proof he was still on Aruba on June 3 and after that too.

Who on Aruba is from a wealthy family, leans the other way,  and left the day after Natalee disappeared?  We may never know or will we?   

OK I'll ask.....wasn't it rumored to be LVR?

[Tamikosmom]

He was protecting Patrick! De Vries clearly stated he was a succesfull business man and a family man and a hero..If everyone knew he was a snake and a cokehead he would of never been able to sell this BS to ABC or SBS and make that huge money. Meanwhile he went on record and told everyone the case was solved and Beth is at peace

Patrick says he was doing 2-3 grams a day of cocaine a day and De Vries is the one that gave him questions to ask Joran. For sure he knew he was a huge coke head and the questions asked were dispicable and obvious to those of us that know this case inside and out. This is all one sick joke and all we can do is sit back and watch Patrick get rich and probably Joran. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

IMO ... Peter Devries, Patrick van der Eem and the "powers that be" in the investigation collaborated a plan the would bring closure to the Natalee Holloway case and ... appease and silence the family ... make the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen a distance memory and ... once again obtain the status of the "Happy Island".

Implicating "only" Joran and an "unknow" assistance made it all so simply.

I knew something was not right while I was reading the transcript of Joran's interview with Pauw & Witteman which was revealed PRIOR to the ABC record recording.

Janet

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Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- how did you know Patrick?

DE VRIES: Well, Patrick came up to me because in Holland, it is known that I'm intrigued and interested in the disappearance of Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does Patrick do for a living? Who is he?

DE VRIES: Patrick is a businessman. He has his own business. He has a criminal record for 12 or 13 years ago. He was convicted for drugs possession. But after that, he became a respected businessman.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his business, do you know?

DE VRIES: Yes, it's a technical thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's OK.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

[carpe noctem]

Anybody need me to take out the grandma?

If she can only run fast in short bursts,

I've seen the ol' bitty... I think I can take her!

JOKE, JOKE, BAD JOKE

 

[EURobert]

New footage of Joran http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/10040/Opnames_Joran_van_der_Sloot

The pressconference of Patrick vd Eem today is somewhere on this site as well; still looking...

[Observer]

Again...Guido did not leave Aruba the day after Natalee disappeared.  So who was it?  Who is this person?  It can not be Guido..there is proof he was still on Aruba on June 3 and after that too.

Who on Aruba is from a wealthy family, leans the other way,  and left the day after Natalee disappeared?  We may never know or will we?   

OK I'll ask.....wasn't it rumored to be LVR?

I believe he is talking about Guido here,we all know he didn't leave the day after but over a week later. I can't think of anyone else that would fit this desciption except maybe a Hiram Vrolijik.


According to the report of Mark Benson which was broadcasted on Dutch TV and Aruba TV,Daury is LVR According to mark this is the word on the streets in Aruba and what the community thinks and is talking about.

BTW:Mark has nothing further to add or any updates.

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Natalee Holloway Update 41: Andrew Hodges on Dutch TV, Deepak and Satish still involved. Lorenzo van R. believed to be 'Daury' by Native Arubans

Meanwhile Dutch TV program Netwerk reported that the Arubans know who Joran's accomplice with the boat was, a certain Lorenzo R., his half-brother. Lorenzo R. is a known underworld figure on Aruba. He was arrested in November of last year in connection to an illegal marijuana plantation. Apparently they've kept quiet about this because Lorenzo's superiors in the Aruban underworld were not prepared to do without him. He is already being held for questioning by the police.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/

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Ciskebab posted this
On the vid about lorenzo also the Dj said because he was getting a lot of reactions from the people of Aruba ' On aruba they know more , but they are affraid to talk about it' A lot of people said that the OM has to question this guy. People of aruba said that he is supposed to be the 1/2 brother of Joran.

DJ Mark Benson talks about Lorenzo
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflid=6437121