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« Reply #960 on: June 26, 2008, 02:12:59 PM »

So Dayhiker, youre saying Joran said he left the shoes there so that Deepok would have the last person on the beach???  Who thinks like that?


Paulus and Van der Straten, that's who. I don't give Joran the credit for having the brains.

not that I believe any of that shoe business, but I'm not sure I believe huge cokehead to remember the stories correctly, and on top of that - the stories are second hand from the world's biggest liar.

if those really were the shoe - the ALE must have destroyed them when and *if* (that's a huge IF) they confiscated them / it.

key from the Hague - DNA on confiscated shoes? Shoes disappear - therefore - no key. Key does not arrive.

key turns lock - opens door - to = JAIL CELL.




You know another side may be...pathological liars will actually start believing their own lies. So if he is still sweating the shoes....that they really were lost and he is sweating they may still come up to bite his azz....he may have rehearsed in his head enough that he never lost the shoes...that it came out automatically.

As far as 2k....if they win a settlement NOT!!! but they believe they will...and they were part of the conspiracy to cover up Natalee's death...DUUUHHHH!!!...then joran has everything to gain if they win money...ie...blackmail...nothing to gain if they lose. So makes perfect sense he says they were not involved.

However NO WAY!!!! IMHO...ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!!!! he could have made up the lie about Natalee experiencing seizures. It was so true it was chilling. I feel it was worse than just a seizure...but watch his face and eyes when he tells what happened to Natalee...it was the first time I have EVER believed him...body language and all. CHILLING!!!
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« Reply #961 on: June 26, 2008, 02:13:20 PM »

new interim PG sworn in


Rob Pietersz, governor Fredis Refunjol, Rudy Croes

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« Reply #962 on: June 26, 2008, 02:13:39 PM »


Now, all at once, the shoe story is a lie? Is that because of the recently found shoe?
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« Reply #963 on: June 26, 2008, 02:16:08 PM »


Now, all at once, the shoe story is a lie? Is that because of the recently found shoe?

YEP!!!!

Could someone have been threatening to turn it in so joran had to come up with a new plan...never lost the shoe...to cover his azz!!

Stay on that shoe story Destiny...I think your gut feelings are correct and it could be the one!!!
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« Reply #964 on: June 26, 2008, 02:18:41 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?


Think about it, he could have still told that story to frame the Kalpoes whether he had lost a pair of shoes or not. This still jives with him placing Deepak back at the beach murdering and burying Natalee. All he had to do was claim it was another pair of shoes he was wearing or hide the ones he had. ALE would take his word over the two Surinamese boys any day, and who knows, Paulus and his buddy Van der Straten could have even orchestrated the shoe thing for Ding Dong.

I believe this is the root of the shoe story, to frame the Kalpoes by putting them as the last to be with Natalee.


Yep - to frame the Kalpoes

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« Reply #965 on: June 26, 2008, 02:18:58 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!

That's how it sounds, according to Patrick (according to Joran).  Unfortunately it makes sense and is quite believable, IMO.


ok...so he never lost the shoe/s, just part of the story. But original story was dropped her off at HI. So when did the shoes come up? Didn't the police bring it up because one was missing from his bedroom? Freddie was offering to buy a new pair of shoes for him that Monday correct?  Is it because they had intended to change the story?

I am confused again Klaas...lol

Tell me why it makes sense to you that he never lost his shoes but part of the disinformation.

OK...was the 1st story he walked home???

AAAHHH!!! lol...can't remember the order...lol

I think he did lose a shoe, and he started the size misinformation so that if his shoe was found it might be harder to be linked back to him.

Joran as queer bait. That explains Renfroes attachment to him. They were co workers working side by side on their knees:)
Hi PI -- great to see you!!! Pass on my congratulations to whole Reynolds family!
It really isn't a joke about them "working together". Remember that the publication Renfro ran was completely ad driven by the "escort" services on the island. Renfro was protecting her livlihood by protecting the whores.
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« Reply #966 on: June 26, 2008, 02:19:29 PM »

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Other than the Holiday Inn fabrication ... I believe that each of Joran's accounts regarding how he got home that fateful morning as well as the insertion of the missing shoes has everything to do with implicating Deepak/Satish as being the last person/s alone with Natalee Holloway.

If Deepak or Satish admitted to picking up Joran at the beach they would be furthering Joran's agenda of implicating themselves in what happened to Natalee Holloway.

However ... if they maintain that they only dropped Natalee and Joran off at the Marriot Beach ... then they are implicating Joran as the last person with Natalee.

In my opinion, when you consider the gardener's observation at 2:30 AM on the morning that Natalee disappearance ... Joran, Deepak and Satish are all lying.   

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"I WALKED HOME".
Joran is implying that Deepak/Satish returned to beach after he  contacted Deepak and stated he was in the process of walking home after leaving Natalee at the beach sleeping.


"DEEPAK AND SATISH DROPPED ME OFF AT HOME AND LEFT WITH NATALEE".
Joran is implying that Deepak and Satish were the last persons observed with the missing 18 year old American citizen.


"DEEPAK PICKED ME UP AT THE BEACH AND THEN RETURNED TO LOOK FOR MY SHOES."
Joran is implying that Deepak could have encountered Natalee Holloway at the Marriot Beach where she had been left alone a short time previous


"SATISH PICKED ME UP AT THE BEACH AND THEN RETURNED TO LOOK FOR MY SHOES."
Joran is implying that Satish could have encountered Natalee Holloway at the Marriot Beach where she had been left alone a short time previous


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THE GARDENER

Jossy Mansur
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July 26, 2005


MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 17, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don`t know what`s happening, but the gardener, the witness, did stand by his story. He did confirm in front of the judge, in front of the defense attorneys, in front of the suspects, that he recognized, and he even recognized two of the three suspects that were there. He hasn`t changed his story one bit


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February 23, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg361236;topicseen#msg361236

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« Reply #967 on: June 26, 2008, 02:19:59 PM »


Now, all at once, the shoe story is a lie? Is that because of the recently found shoe?

YEP!!!!

Could someone have been threatening to turn it in so joran had to come up with a new plan...never lost the shoe...to cover his azz!!

Stay on that shoe story Destiny...I think your gut feelings are correct and it could be the one!!!

ldstlou - I'm leaning more towards Joran NEVER lost his shoes, that the shoe story was more to frame the Kalpoes. 
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« Reply #968 on: June 26, 2008, 02:22:21 PM »

new interim PG sworn in


Rob Pietersz, governor Fredis Refunjol, Rudy Croes

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43818.php

has been vice-PG of Aruba fro 9 months in the past.
and had been PG of Aruba.




correction:

has been vice-PG of Aruba for 9 months in the past.
and has been PG of the Antilles.
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« Reply #969 on: June 26, 2008, 02:24:18 PM »

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????
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« Reply #970 on: June 26, 2008, 02:31:16 PM »

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????
I believe it explains how he got his credit line and vip pass. Not sure who the pimp might be but my first guess would be someone at the Excelsior/HI..Of course there are others like Mr.Pink whose business of escorts and porn sites were just taking off,but he abruptly shut them all down and left the island after Natalee dissapeared. We also have corrupt ministers like Booshi Wever who owns Whore Houses.
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« Reply #971 on: June 26, 2008, 02:31:53 PM »

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

Joran was hanging around the HI !
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« Reply #972 on: June 26, 2008, 02:34:37 PM »

I think Freddy is the Pimp.  Didnt he spend the nite with Joran.  Keep your friends close and your ememies closer..
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« Reply #973 on: June 26, 2008, 02:37:14 PM »

Caesu do you know this place in Den Dolder ?



don't know that place.
but it sounds like a good place for JvdS.
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« Reply #974 on: June 26, 2008, 02:39:03 PM »

Hi folks,

Has this news reached SM already ( http://tinyurl.com/6ggjkf )

Header says: Joran was 'sun-of-a-wh*re'

But the article says Joran sold himself to tourist when he was 17.

I'll try to translate it asap

Here's the translation: Google and me.

The Aruban police have reliable information that Joran has rented himself to tourists when he was only seventeen years old. According to Patrick van der Eem head of investigation Adolph Richardson told him that. "He btw will not be glad that I tell this," said Van der Eem.

Catamite

"Why it is relevant that he was a catamite?" Van der Eem asks himselves aloud in the interview with Revu. "Some people have done things for him that you can now think of as: why would they do that?"

The public prosecutor in Aruba refrain from comment.


Thanks EURobert - yes we had read reports of the Male Prostitute when he was 17 yesterday.  Makes sense actually.  We know Guido is gay and according to reports had a more than platonic relationship with Joran.  I'd guess from that and this report that Joran may be bisexual.  He also found a way to make money to support his vices, the ones he had even when he was 17. 
Well, it DOES explain why they were known as the "pimps"!!

the higher powers that protect him.
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« Reply #975 on: June 26, 2008, 02:39:44 PM »

Caesu do you know this place in Den Dolder ?



don't know that place.
but it sounds like a good place for JvdS.

yep i was there yesterday 
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« Reply #976 on: June 26, 2008, 02:41:57 PM »

on Gay.com

Aruba is a shit hole! There is only one small gay bar, and nothing else! The island has nothing but goats and catcus.. Really check it to it before you go
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« Reply #977 on: June 26, 2008, 02:43:25 PM »

new interim PG sworn in


Rob Pietersz, governor Fredis Refunjol, Rudy Croes

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43818.php

has been vice-PG of Aruba fro 9 months in the past.
and had been PG of Aruba.


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That pic of Rudy doesn't even look real.  He looks like a wax figure or something.  Odd guy.
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« Reply #978 on: June 26, 2008, 02:44:12 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!

That's how it sounds, according to Patrick (according to Joran).  Unfortunately it makes sense and is quite believable, IMO.

Hide your shoes in plain sight...in the closet.  Claim to have lost the one's you were wearing. 
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« Reply #979 on: June 26, 2008, 02:44:16 PM »


Now, all at once, the shoe story is a lie? Is that because of the recently found shoe?

YEP!!!!

Could someone have been threatening to turn it in so joran had to come up with a new plan...never lost the shoe...to cover his azz!!

Stay on that shoe story Destiny...I think your gut feelings are correct and it could be the one!!!

ldstlou - I'm leaning more towards Joran NEVER lost his shoes, that the shoe story was more to frame the Kalpoes. 


gotcha Klaas...but did ALE say there was a missing shoe? Isn't that why they drained the pond?

Man I wish I remembered details like you guys do.

Now wait....didn't Patrick say in an earlier interview joran claimed he threw the shoes in a sewer?

OK...now I am really confused!!! lol
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