Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08

[LoRain]

I have an off-topic...innocent question....please...What's the difference in this forum and "GoldenMonkey" forum....

   Ok, I'll bite.

The GoldMonkey forum was set up by an ex-SM poster by the name of Carnut.  It's more of a chit chatty place with a chat room and a fun place for people that enjoy that kind of thing to hang out. 


Edited to add:  Again I find your questions confusing.  You have a member of BNH that is also a member of SM and GoldMonkey, why don't you just ask them?  Or did Reality send you over here to post the question just to see what the reaction would be?

I didn't realize that Reality was a member there and NO I have not been sent by Reality for ANYTHING....I have not seen Reality this evening but am sure I will hear from him tomorrow...and I was also under the impression he was not a member here either....point being I don't care where he or anyone else is a member of....

I have not been allowed to be a member at GoldMonkeys..(although I swear I believe I was a member before)....anyway....I have been turned down for a very stupid reason IMO...that reason being who the others are that post on other forums that I post on....in other words...I am not allowed to be a member because  "due to your association with certain people who have involved themselves in the case with not so good intentions we cannot approve your membership at this time."....that's the reason I was given and it's not the first time I have heard this excuse before...any comments?

I think that is a good enough reason to not allow you to post.  If you are posting with individuals that aren't trusted why would I jeopardize my members and allow you to post on the forum or even go into chat.  If you came into chat and I was there I would have to stop talking because I wouldn't trust you and you might take what I was saying over to the other forum so these other people could see.  And when I say information I mean I could be chatting about my family or something.  Why should I share that information with you when it could get into the hands of people that you associate with and post bad about Natalee.  Bottom line is I would disapprove you also.

I'll give you an example.  If you post with Charlierat or a few others I can think of I would never approve you to become a member.  Safety first and Charlierat doesn't fit that criteria.  If you do post with others who are a member I am sure they are trusted enough to allow them to become a member.  If they find out later that they were wrong then poor judgment on their part.

Does CharlieRat not post here??....not that I care....

So you would distrust me automatically....you would ASSUME that I was untrustworthy....well see by saying that....you and all the other people that "don't trust me" don't know ANYTHING about me....but hey....that's OK by me....even if it is the most insane thinking I have heard of in quite a while....guilty until proven innocent...huh?....

[Lala'sMom]

Well, maybe he the "prince" character in Shango and Simion.... Do we know he was really there when Nat was taken????

Personally, I think there is nothing to this theory...but I have been wrong before..not often...but on occasion.

[Helen Back]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
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This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

[SS]

Hey!!  Shango stole my identity and logged into SM and posted that...it wasn't me. 

Somehow, I just can't envision Roman in the Mattys with Urine and the Pimps.  He's probably to big even for Renfro to be escorting around the island.

 The only reason I bring up any of this is because it was so much
I am to big for Renfro to escort around the Island. You probably are to SS.

Thanks Sam.  I can't help but think that if Roman wanted a nice young vrigin, he could certainly buy a willing participant.  He wouldn't have to rely on Urine and the dirtbags to bring him some poor girl who was just drugged on the way out of C&Cs.

I agree SS. It is just that so much information came about at the very beginning. It tends to make one wonder.

On second thought though, if he realized that Freddy had the video cameras he might have been interested.   

[LoRain]

I have an off-topic...innocent question....please...What's the difference in this forum and "GoldenMonkey" forum....

   Ok, I'll bite.

The GoldMonkey forum was set up by an ex-SM poster by the name of Carnut.  It's more of a chit chatty place with a chat room and a fun place for people that enjoy that kind of thing to hang out. 


Edited to add:  Again I find your questions confusing.  You have a member of BNH that is also a member of SM and GoldMonkey, why don't you just ask them?  Or did Reality send you over here to post the question just to see what the reaction would be?

I didn't realize that Reality was a member there and NO I have not been sent by Reality for ANYTHING....I have not seen Reality this evening but am sure I will hear from him tomorrow...and I was also under the impression he was not a member here either....point being I don't care where he or anyone else is a member of....

I have not been allowed to be a member at GoldMonkeys..(although I swear I believe I was a member before)....anyway....I have been turned down for a very stupid reason IMO...that reason being who the others are that post on other forums that I post on....in other words...I am not allowed to be a member because  "due to your association with certain people who have involved themselves in the case with not so good intentions we cannot approve your membership at this time."....that's the reason I was given and it's not the first time I have heard this excuse before...any comments?

I think that is a good enough reason to not allow you to post.  If you are posting with individuals that aren't trusted why would I jeopardize my members and allow you to post on the forum or even go into chat.  If you came into chat and I was there I would have to stop talking because I wouldn't trust you and you might take what I was saying over to the other forum so these other people could see.  And when I say information I mean I could be chatting about my family or something.  Why should I share that information with you when it could get into the hands of people that you associate with and post bad about Natalee.  Bottom line is I would disapprove you also.

I'll give you an example.  If you post with Charlierat or a few others I can think of I would never approve you to become a member.  Safety first and Charlierat doesn't fit that criteria.  If you do post with others who are a member I am sure they are trusted enough to allow them to become a member.  If they find out later that they were wrong then poor judgment on their part.

Does CharlieRat not post here??....not that I care....

So you would distrust me automatically....you would ASSUME that I was untrustworthy....well see by saying that....you and all the other people that "don't trust me" don't know ANYTHING about me....but hey....that's OK by me....even if it is the most insane thinking I have heard of in quite a while....guilty until proven innocent...huh?....

Can't you even read what you are saying....you are saying that if I posted with CharlieRat or some other person that I would not be trusted to post HERE with YOU....

[BTgirl]

Well, maybe he the "prince" character in Shango and Simion.... Do we know he was really there when Nat was taken????

Personally, I think there is nothing to this theory...but I have been wrong before..not often...but on occasion.

I agree, Lalas. I truly think it was the attempt to tie XTC to something that caught some people's attention.

[LoRain]

I have an off-topic...innocent question....please...What's the difference in this forum and "GoldenMonkey" forum....

   Ok, I'll bite.

The GoldMonkey forum was set up by an ex-SM poster by the name of Carnut.  It's more of a chit chatty place with a chat room and a fun place for people that enjoy that kind of thing to hang out. 


Edited to add:  Again I find your questions confusing.  You have a member of BNH that is also a member of SM and GoldMonkey, why don't you just ask them?  Or did Reality send you over here to post the question just to see what the reaction would be?

I didn't realize that Reality was a member there and NO I have not been sent by Reality for ANYTHING....I have not seen Reality this evening but am sure I will hear from him tomorrow...and I was also under the impression he was not a member here either....point being I don't care where he or anyone else is a member of....

I have not been allowed to be a member at GoldMonkeys..(although I swear I believe I was a member before)....anyway....I have been turned down for a very stupid reason IMO...that reason being who the others are that post on other forums that I post on....in other words...I am not allowed to be a member because  "due to your association with certain people who have involved themselves in the case with not so good intentions we cannot approve your membership at this time."....that's the reason I was given and it's not the first time I have heard this excuse before...any comments?

I think that is a good enough reason to not allow you to post.  If you are posting with individuals that aren't trusted why would I jeopardize my members and allow you to post on the forum or even go into chat.  If you came into chat and I was there I would have to stop talking because I wouldn't trust you and you might take what I was saying over to the other forum so these other people could see.  And when I say information I mean I could be chatting about my family or something.  Why should I share that information with you when it could get into the hands of people that you associate with and post bad about Natalee.  Bottom line is I would disapprove you also.

I'll give you an example.  If you post with Charlierat or a few others I can think of I would never approve you to become a member.  Safety first and Charlierat doesn't fit that criteria.  If you do post with others who are a member I am sure they are trusted enough to allow them to become a member.  If they find out later that they were wrong then poor judgment on their part.

Does CharlieRat not post here??....not that I care....

So you would distrust me automatically....you would ASSUME that I was untrustworthy....well see by saying that....you and all the other people that "don't trust me" don't know ANYTHING about me....but hey....that's OK by me....even if it is the most insane thinking I have heard of in quite a while....guilty until proven innocent...huh?....

Can't you even read what you are saying....you are saying that if I posted with CharlieRat or some other person that I would not be trusted to post HERE with YOU....

I can count on one finger the folks on these forums that I truly trust.....anyone that knows me knows that I don't trust anyone on the forums or real life either.....just wanted you guys to know a little about myself....

[Observer]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
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This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

Thats a hard core Junkie and he says he was doing 2-3 grams a day for the entire 7 months,but it's obvious it has been years. 2-3 gramsa  day!!!!!!!  He also mentioned crack cocaine and mentioned Joran,No wonder why it took them 7 months to come up with just minutes of BS on video of a false ending.

It isn't his drug use we are questioning about this man or his past,it is the questions he asked,his demeaner,his motives,his own words and the obvious sham he was a part of with joran.

[Lala'sMom]

The "Natalee was taken off island" people have long held she was bought for a rich dude.  I just don't see that...I can see some of Caps theories being more plausible.  I just can't bring myself to think about the sex slave angle...it just boggles my mind and makes my tummy ache too.

[Rob]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
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This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

LMA0!! 

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone have any bug spray?   

[Buckeye]

Destiny

I'm sorry, if something I posted, has offended you. I have always had a great deal of admiration for your tenacity and resourcefulness.

The topic was Jossy.  My feeling was that he placed the Natalee article in his paper.  I cannot think of another Aruban paper that would have considered doing that, for any price.  My only other comment was that perhaps Jossy had given his word, to the "shoe" letter writer, that the writer's name would not be disclosed and perhaps that is why he was not willing to send a copy.   

I, in no way, meant to discredit your hard work and dedication.  Once again, I apologize.

[BTgirl]

The "Natalee was taken off island" people have long held she was bought for a rich dude.  I just don't see that...I can see some of Caps theories being more plausible.  I just can't bring myself to think about the sex slave angle...it just boggles my mind and makes my tummy ache too.

I think what happened to her was very close to what Joran said on tape happened to her. She died at the hands of a sociopathic teenager and her body was disposed of so he could get on with his "sporter" lifestyle.

[klaasend]

The "Natalee was taken off island" people have long held she was bought for a rich dude.  I just don't see that...I can see some of Caps theories being more plausible.  I just can't bring myself to think about the sex slave angle...it just boggles my mind and makes my tummy ache too.

I think there are alot of people in Aruba that would like us to believe in the sex slave angle and taken off the island.  I don't think that's what happened though.

[Blonde]

Hey!!  Shango stole my identity and logged into SM and posted that...it wasn't me. 

Somehow, I just can't envision Roman in the Mattys with Urine and the Pimps.  He's probably to big even for Renfro to be escorting around the island.

I am to big for Renfro to escort around the Island. You probably are to SS.

Thanks Sam.  I can't help but think that if Roman wanted a nice young vrigin, he could certainly buy a willing participant.  He wouldn't have to rely on Urine and the dirtbags to bring him some poor girl who was just drugged on the way out of C&Cs.

This is true, he's also very nice looking.

[Buckeye]

I don't want to sound dumb...but is 2-3 gr. of cocaine a lot to do in a day??  I have no idea how much an addict uses.  What would be the price per day??

[SS]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
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This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

LMA0!! 

There's another piece to the cocaine use that we haven't touched on.  Now that it is out that both of them were heavily under the influence of cocaine, Joe Taco can now claim that video can't be used as evidence because Urine was under the influence of a mind altering substance.  He's got a free ride on that tape.

[Rob]

The "Natalee was taken off island" people have long held she was bought for a rich dude.  I just don't see that...I can see some of Caps theories being more plausible.  I just can't bring myself to think about the sex slave angle...it just boggles my mind and makes my tummy ache too.

I think what happened to her was very close to what Joran said on tape happened to her. She died at the hands of a sociopathic teenager and her body was disposed of so he could get on with his "sporter" lifestyle.

of course that what's happened. a kid on drugs and with no regard for anyone not even himself. time will prove it true.

[Dayhiker]

Let me clarify my remark Karma. When I said shut down I didn't mean close, although I may have used that terminology before. When Mos shut down the case he put four telephone answerers on it, which of course is meaningless. The case was still open but not being investigated.

I tend to think this was Hans' plan all along, knowing with certainty he'd never get past Paulus' judge friends, but at least he could say he tried. It gave the Dutch system an out.

I agree with all of you that they won't close the case for the simple reason they don't want the Holloway family to get the case documents and expose all the corruption.

Hi Bro - hey let's say for a second that Mos did give it his all, and just couldn't get past Paulus' friends...let me ask you, as a professional, wouldn't this job be basically meaningless? Sure it pays nice, but for me, I need some type of ulterior reward.

How could anyone who was sworn to uphold the law just say - 'hey I gave it my best shot' and knowing what he knows even look at himself in the mirror?

In my humble opinion, that's the kind of attorney we could all do without, and he's no better than Carlo or Paulus.

Seems to me Rob that something about Aruba sucks the morals, ethics and drive right out of everybody that works for the government there. Maybe its the island mentality, or something more sinister like the drug and money laundering interests buying them all up. Nico Jorg's comments sure hit home. The island is just festered with corrupt good-old-boys totally ignoring the laws of land.

I first became suspect of Mos when it was revealed what a small amount of evidence he brought with him compared to the big talk coming out of his mouth. It didn't add up. There are reams of explosive documents supporting Joran's guilt and Hans brought in a lady finger. Then his lame attempt at explaining off the confession pretty much sealed it for me. He was almost taking the crooked judge's stance. He's just a prop for a failed system.

[Sam]

From one of the links Rob provided. WOW

Below is the list of property, which Roman Abramovich may share with his ex-wife Irina:

Six-storied mansion in London’s Knightsbridge - $51 million;
Penthouse in London’s Kensington - $54 million;
Five-storied mansion in London’s Belgravia - $20 million;
Toprak Mansion in London with a park (8,000m2) - $93 million;
Fyning Hill estate in British county Western Sussex (440 acres of land) - $33.6 million;
Mansion in St.Tropez, France - $18 million;
Castle in France - $30 million;
Eden Rock Hotel in Cannes - $1 billion;
Villa in the Moscow region - $16 million;
Boeing 767 plane - $120 million;
Business class Boeing plane - $60 million;
Two helicopters - $70 million each;
Pelorus yacht complete with bullet-proof windows, a submarine and anti-missile system - $150 million;
Extasea yacht with a pool and Turkish bath - $140 million;
Le Grand Blue yacht outfitted with a helipad - $120 million;
Chelsea football club - $261 million.

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