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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08 (Read 226333 times)
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Destiny
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 02:20:10 PM »
Lala's reply from Aruba...BTW, if you give me a small background on Ernesto...I told them I'll send more info for them to check into....TIA...Des.
Hallo;
I haven't heard till now about the name Ernesto Arambatzis.
Freddy we have heard because he is a friend of Joran.
And yes we also have receive you information about the article of Patrick van Eem and we put something about it in the newspaper today.
Now we waiting for the reactions.
I don't think they let Patrick van Eem goes to America, because the first time the american justice don't give him permission for entrance.
We just wait what goes to happen.
xxxxxxx
From Todays' Diario:
E BUKI CU LO HACI PATRICK VAN DER EEM MIYONARIO PDF Print E-mail
Wednesday, 25 June 2008
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patrick van der Eem ta bisa den su buki cu lo bira miyonario cu esaki. Diaranzon e lo saca su buki unda e ta relata con e combersacionnan entre e Joran van der Sloot a bay.
Pero tambe e ta bini probablemente cu declaracionnan cu ainda no ta conoci Probablemente cosnan 'off the record' cual Joran a conte pafo di filmacion.
E derecho di buki el a bende cu un editor Mericano y ta kere cu e lo bira miyonario. Riba e prome pagina di e buki Peter R. De Vries ta skirbi tambe con el a traha y con el a haya van der Eem. Remarcable ta cu de Vries a yama esaki un usado di droga cu mester bay kick af.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 02:25:10 PM »
Quote from: caesu on June 25, 2008, 11:50:39 AM
Peter R. de Vries denies that footage showing Patrick doing cocaine has been cut out from the tapes before the broadcast.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4311697/_Snuivende_Patrick_ondermijnt_bewijs__.html
+ Hans Mos says Patick has done himself and the case not much good.
+ Mos says he hasn't received all tapes yet
+ De Vries says some of it are 'private conversations', saying he thinks he doesn't need to give those.
+ Mos says this (Patrick's revelations) doesn't mean that the prosecution of JvdS is off the table.
if further evidence appears JvdS will be summoned and a judge will decided if all went following the rules.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4310544/__Met_Joran-tapes_niet_geknoeid___.html
Peter Devries concedes to Greta that there was 20 hours worth of taping but ... implies the two hours that were shown on ABC told the whole story.
Something is not right if Devries does not turn over all the recordings. It is only his word that there was nothing more revelant ... something akin to the implication of other participants in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared.
Janet
++++++++
THE VIDEO RECORDING
Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008
VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?
DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.
VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the 20 hours, that's over how many different days? I mean, is that one very long trip, or is it broken up into a number of trips?
DE VRIES: Yes, that's an important question, Greta. It's not just one conversation. It's not a slip of the tongue. We have been recording five days. So several moments, several days, and sometimes a week between it.
<snipped>
DE VRIES: ... we had a couple of hours on tape, so there was nothing to ask because he told the whole story. It was a full confession on tape ...
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?
DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin ...
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?
DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: LilPuma on June 25, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
Re: Patrick and cocaine
Pulllleeeeeaaze! Law enforcement agencies around the globe use informants who are often low-level criminals in order to get those higher up in the criminal food chain. Why people are acting as though this somehow diminishes what Joran said to Patrick is beyond me. They can't even question Joran based on his confession of murder, yet there's a big uproar over Patrick admitting he used cocaine. Someone please hand me the barf bag.
Handing LilPuma barf bag...LP...Mine is purple...Yours is blue....don't get em mixed up....LOL...I agree with you...low-life informants are used all the time....why else would the other low-lifes trust them....
Destiny
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: ******* on June 25, 2008, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: GBMW on June 25, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
for me that book is not so important
What Joran said is important
Richardson went on record saying there was more incriminating recordings that were never released to the media. Why haven't they released all the evidence to the OM? Just does not make sense to me
Are we supposed to buy Patricks book to see what else there is?
Normally in Murder cases the evidence goes to the Prosecuters
and not Tv shows and books
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The tapes are evidence but not Hard (enough) evidence .
But Peter is still working on this case !
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 02:35:20 PM »
Quote from: GBMW on June 25, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
for me that book is not so important
What Joran said is important
precisely, and patrick made it plain, even to me, that nothing we all heard from jvds was done while he was under the influence of anything stronger than weed. and it looks like jvds consumes weed like cows eat grass.
dennisintn
l:33 p.m. entwhistle jury has made a decision. they're gathering attorneys and family together now. per fox.
a little off topic but thought somebody might like to know.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 02:45:34 PM »
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on June 25, 2008, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: GBMW on June 25, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
for me that book is not so important
What Joran said is important
Richardson went on record saying there was more incriminating recordings that were never released to the media. Why haven't they released all the evidence to the OM? Just does not make sense to me
Are we supposed to buy Patricks book to see what else there is?
Normally in Murder cases the evidence goes to the Prosecuters
and not Tv shows and books
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The tapes are evidence but not Hard (enough) evidence .
But Peter is still working on this case !
...but in Aruba they do not need hard evidence, they only need strong suspicions,
to arrest ANYONE at ANYTIME. The raids on the two security guards proved
that fact. They had not even 1 microscopic hair to arrest those boys, kicking
their doors in during a 5 in the morning raid on their homes.
NOT 1 MICROSCOPIC HAIR OF PROOF.
They only had the words from three liars... and they KNEW DAMN WELL,
those three liars had been the LAST ONES TO BE SEEN with Natalee on
May 30th, 2005.
Every day that goes by, they really just dig themselves deeper & deeper
into a huge heaping pile.
We will never let up! Not for a minute.
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 02:50:22 PM »
...and that lame phrase...
the bar keeps getting higher and higher to arrest them everytime...
is really just code speak to let you know the corruption is getting
worse and worse.
They are full of it! They could have them all in jail this afternoon if they
wanted to.
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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WOOOOOHOOOOOOO......NO MODS on board!! PARTAY TIME!!
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Destiny
I have info I would like them to see...please email me
cindoal@yahoo.com
Thanks a bunch!!
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Quote from: Nut44x4 on June 25, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
WOOOOOHOOOOOOO......NO MODS on board!! PARTAY TIME!!
The Hall Monitor is here!
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Klass turned on the monitor before she left.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 03:03:15 PM »
Quote from: carpe noctem on June 25, 2008, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on June 25, 2008, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: GBMW on June 25, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
for me that book is not so important
What Joran said is important
Richardson went on record saying there was more incriminating recordings that were never released to the media. Why haven't they released all the evidence to the OM? Just does not make sense to me
Are we supposed to buy Patricks book to see what else there is?
Normally in Murder cases the evidence goes to the Prosecuters
and not Tv shows and books
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The tapes are evidence but not Hard (enough) evidence .
But Peter is still working on this case !
...but in Aruba they do not need hard evidence, they only need strong suspicions,
to arrest ANYONE at ANYTIME. The raids on the two security guards proved
that fact. They had not even 1 microscopic hair to arrest those boys, kicking
their doors in during a 5 in the morning raid on their homes.
NOT 1 MICROSCOPIC HAIR OF PROOF.
They only had the words from three liars... and they KNEW DAMN WELL,
those three liars had been the LAST ONES TO BE SEEN with Natalee on
May 30th, 2005.
Every day that goes by, they really just dig themselves deeper & deeper
into a huge heaping pile.
We will never let up! Not for a minute.
sure carpe noctem but you need hard or forensic evidence to send him to jail for ... years
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
http://www.nataleeholloway.smfnew.com/index.php
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Agreed on that, Johan...
They have plenty to put him in jail until he has a nervous breakdown. RIGHT NOW!
They are playing with themselves.
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 03:06:31 PM »
Quote from: carpe noctem on June 25, 2008, 02:50:22 PM
...and that lame phrase...
the bar keeps getting higher and higher to arrest them everytime...
is really just code speak to let you know the corruption is getting
worse and worse.
They are full of it! They could have them all in jail this afternoon if they
wanted to.
You said it Carpe! I'm tired of the OM BS too!
Like the BS about how wiretapping in an investigation is not legal.......except sometimes.
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Quote from: Nut44x4 on June 25, 2008, 02:53:37 PM
roflmao!
That is one mighty big halo lol
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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June 25, 2008, 03:08:56 PM »
I'm saying with what they have right now...
they could entertain him in the KIA for quite a while, until they
have him wearing frilly pink underwear.
They just for some reason do not want to do that to Joran Van der sloot.
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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I can be bought.
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Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: carpe noctem on June 25, 2008, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on June 25, 2008, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: GBMW on June 25, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: johan555 on June 25, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
for me that book is not so important
What Joran said is important
Richardson went on record saying there was more incriminating recordings that were never released to the media. Why haven't they released all the evidence to the OM? Just does not make sense to me
Are we supposed to buy Patricks book to see what else there is?
Normally in Murder cases the evidence goes to the Prosecuters
and not Tv shows and books
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The tapes are evidence but not Hard (enough) evidence .
But Peter is still working on this case !
...but in Aruba they do not need hard evidence, they only need strong suspicions,
to arrest ANYONE at ANYTIME. The raids on the two security guards proved
that fact. They had not even 1 microscopic hair to arrest those boys, kicking
their doors in during a 5 in the morning raid on their homes.
NOT 1 MICROSCOPIC HAIR OF PROOF.
They only had the words from three liars... and they KNEW DAMN WELL,
those three liars had been the LAST ONES TO BE SEEN with Natalee on
May 30th, 2005.
Every day that goes by, they really just dig themselves deeper & deeper
into a huge heaping pile.
We will never let up! Not for a minute.
sure carpe noctem but you need hard or forensic evidence to send him to jail for ... years
Hi Johan....yes we do need evidence. It is hard to obtain when the investigators do not make a good attempt at questioning the suspects, and evidence collected seems to disappear or get thrown out.
Paulus had access to the investigation so we have statements missing, pages missing from statements, DNA from the suspects that was destroyed, Karin Janssen withholding information from the judge, Paulus's friends intervening and disallowing searches.......and on and on.
Under these circumstances, no evidence can be obtained. And that is the continuing game.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22
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Quote from: LilPuma on June 25, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
Re: Patrick and cocaine
Pulllleeeeeaaze! Law enforcement agencies around the globe use informants who are often low-level criminals in order to get those higher up in the criminal food chain. Why people are acting as though this somehow diminishes what Joran said to Patrick is beyond me. They can't even question Joran based on his confession of murder, yet there's a big uproar over Patrick admitting he used cocaine. Someone please hand me the barf bag.
I agree. It's stupid and naive to think that someone who is in a position to be a confidential informant or mole has a squeaky clean background. Just doesn't happen.
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===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
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=> Natalee Holloway
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