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« Reply #940 on: June 26, 2008, 12:40:21 PM »

I've got to run, but as usual, I have chills from the goodness that this site and all of the posters demonstrate on a daily basis. It is truly amazing.
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« Reply #941 on: June 26, 2008, 12:44:09 PM »

I've got to run, but as usual, I have chills from the goodness that this site and all of the posters demonstrate on a daily basis. It is truly amazing.

Hi Private Eye

 

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« Reply #942 on: June 26, 2008, 12:47:47 PM »


So that they are all in one post.  Here is Glenda (Julia Renfro's) post at BNH:



Here are BTgirl's posts with Jossy's opinion of Glenda saying Jossy no long believes Joran is guilty. 







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I was given permission to copy one more quote from Jossy, this time regarding the witness protection program.

"I  have absolutely no idea what that lady is talking about. I know of no such program in Aruba. It simply doesn't exist there like it does in the U.S. And I don't have the slightest idea either what she means by "many that were in it are no longer with us."
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hay welkom here !!!


« Reply #943 on: June 26, 2008, 12:51:58 PM »

Caesu do you know this place in Den Dolder ?

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« Reply #944 on: June 26, 2008, 12:55:00 PM »


So that they are all in one post.  Here is Glenda (Julia Renfro's) post at BNH:



Here are BTgirl's posts with Jossy's opinion of Glenda saying Jossy no long believes Joran is guilty. 







FYI

I was given permission to copy one more quote from Jossy, this time regarding the witness protection program.

"I  have absolutely no idea what that lady is talking about. I know of no such program in Aruba. It simply doesn't exist there like it does in the U.S. And I don't have the slightest idea either what she means by "many that were in it are no longer with us."

Hello Janet, it is great to speak to you although I am aware you are still deliving knockout bunches via debate tactics:)

Renfroe doesn't lie, her words just come out misunderstood as her  mouth is always full of an unmentionable item. No one can ever say she is not a hard wroking woman. Her knees carry the battle scars to prove it:)

I really hate mentioning Janet and Renfroe in the same posts, and I apologize Janet but I wanted to say hello and I could pass the oppurtunity to defend Renfroe:)
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« Reply #945 on: June 26, 2008, 12:57:52 PM »


So that they are all in one post.  Here is Glenda (Julia Renfro's) post at BNH:



Here are BTgirl's posts with Jossy's opinion of Glenda saying Jossy no long believes Joran is guilty. 







FYI

I was given permission to copy one more quote from Jossy, this time regarding the witness protection program.

"I  have absolutely no idea what that lady is talking about. I know of no such program in Aruba. It simply doesn't exist there like it does in the U.S. And I don't have the slightest idea either what she means by "many that were in it are no longer with us."

Hello Janet, it is great to speak to you although I am aware you are still deliving knockout bunches via debate tactics:)

Renfroe doesn't lie, her words just come out misunderstood as her mouth is always full of an unmentionable item. No one can ever say she is not a hard working woman. Her knees carry the battle scars to prove it:)

I really hate mentioning Janet and Renfroe in the same posts, and I apologize Janet but I wanted to say hello and I could pass the opportunity to defend Renfroe:)

I also apologize for my spelling:(
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« Reply #946 on: June 26, 2008, 01:05:37 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!
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« Reply #947 on: June 26, 2008, 01:23:54 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!

why wouldn't he lie about this just like he has everything else?  the only thing i really believed about his beach story to patrick is that he was present when natalee died or went into unconsciousness. 
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« Reply #948 on: June 26, 2008, 01:24:14 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!

That's how it sounds, according to Patrick (according to Joran).  Unfortunately it makes sense and is quite believable, IMO.
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« Reply #949 on: June 26, 2008, 01:24:30 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?


Think about it, he could have still told that story to frame the Kalpoes whether he had lost a pair of shoes or not. This still jives with him placing Deepak back at the beach murdering and burying Natalee. All he had to do was claim it was another pair of shoes he was wearing or hide the ones he had. ALE would take his word over the two Surinamese boys any day, and who knows, Paulus and his buddy Van der Straten could have even orchestrated the shoe thing for Ding Dong.

I believe this is the root of the shoe story, to frame the Kalpoes by putting them as the last to be with Natalee.
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« Reply #950 on: June 26, 2008, 01:31:37 PM »

So Dayhiker, youre saying Joran said he left the shoes there so that Deepok would have the last person on the beach???  Who thinks like that?
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« Reply #951 on: June 26, 2008, 01:34:46 PM »


So that they are all in one post.  Here is Glenda (Julia Renfro's) post at BNH:



Here are BTgirl's posts with Jossy's opinion of Glenda saying Jossy no long believes Joran is guilty. 







FYI

I was given permission to copy one more quote from Jossy, this time regarding the witness protection program.

"I  have absolutely no idea what that lady is talking about. I know of no such program in Aruba. It simply doesn't exist there like it does in the U.S. And I don't have the slightest idea either what she means by "many that were in it are no longer with us."

Hello Janet, it is great to speak to you although I am aware you are still deliving knockout bunches via debate tactics:)

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I have been motivated to kick my coffee addiction which is a good thing but ... there are the side effects ...

My hubby offered to make me a cup of coffee this morning and ... he does not even drink the stuff.

 

Have a good day Private Eye.

Janet

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« Reply #952 on: June 26, 2008, 01:38:28 PM »

So Dayhiker, youre saying Joran said he left the shoes there so that Deepok would have the last person on the beach???  Who thinks like that?


Paulus and Van der Straten, that's who. I don't give Joran the credit for having the brains.
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« Reply #953 on: June 26, 2008, 01:41:34 PM »


Here's the translation: Google and me.

The Aruban police have reliable information that Joran has rented himself to tourists when he was only seventeen years old. According to Patrick van der Eem head of investigation Adolph Richardson told him that. "He btw will not be glad that I tell this," said Van der Eem.

Catamite

"Why it is relevant that he was a catamite?" Van der Eem asks himselves aloud in the interview with Revu. "Some people have done things for him that you can now think of as: why would they do that?"

The public prosecutor in Aruba refrain from comment.


Thanks EURobert - yes we had read reports of the Male Prostitute when he was 17 yesterday.  Makes sense actually.  We know Guido is gay and according to reports had a more than platonic relationship with Joran.  I'd guess from that and this report that Joran may be bisexual.  He also found a way to make money to support his vices, the ones he had even when he was 17. 
Well, it DOES explain why they were known as the "pimps"!!


It does explain how he got his money. This investigation could indeed unlock the door to revealing who and why he has been protected all these years and I don't think we'll be too surprised at some of the names in his little black book. We might even find some Dutch judges that had a special predelection for Joran's services.
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« Reply #954 on: June 26, 2008, 01:59:42 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!

That's how it sounds, according to Patrick (according to Joran).  Unfortunately it makes sense and is quite believable, IMO.


ok...so he never lost the shoe/s, just part of the story. But original story was dropped her off at HI. So when did the shoes come up? Didn't the police bring it up because one was missing from his bedroom? Freddie was offering to buy a new pair of shoes for him that Monday correct?  Is it because they had intended to change the story?

I am confused again Klaas...lol

Tell me why it makes sense to you that he never lost his shoes but part of the disinformation.

OK...was the 1st story he walked home???

AAAHHH!!! lol...can't remember the order...lol
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« Reply #955 on: June 26, 2008, 02:02:14 PM »

So Dayhiker, youre saying Joran said he left the shoes there so that Deepok would have the last person on the beach???  Who thinks like that?


Paulus and Van der Straten, that's who. I don't give Joran the credit for having the brains.

not that I believe any of that shoe business, but I'm not sure I believe huge cokehead to remember the stories correctly, and on top of that - the stories are second hand from the world's biggest liar.

if those really were the shoe - the ALE must have destroyed them when and *if* (that's a huge IF) they confiscated them / it.

key from the Hague - DNA on confiscated shoes? Shoes disappear - therefore - no key. Key does not arrive.

key turns lock - opens door - to = JAIL CELL.

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« Reply #956 on: June 26, 2008, 02:04:24 PM »


Here's the translation: Google and me.

The Aruban police have reliable information that Joran has rented himself to tourists when he was only seventeen years old. According to Patrick van der Eem head of investigation Adolph Richardson told him that. "He btw will not be glad that I tell this," said Van der Eem.

Catamite

"Why it is relevant that he was a catamite?" Van der Eem asks himselves aloud in the interview with Revu. "Some people have done things for him that you can now think of as: why would they do that?"

The public prosecutor in Aruba refrain from comment.


Thanks EURobert - yes we had read reports of the Male Prostitute when he was 17 yesterday.  Makes sense actually.  We know Guido is gay and according to reports had a more than platonic relationship with Joran.  I'd guess from that and this report that Joran may be bisexual.  He also found a way to make money to support his vices, the ones he had even when he was 17. 
Well, it DOES explain why they were known as the "pimps"!!


It does explain how he got his money. This investigation could indeed unlock the door to revealing who and why he has been protected all these years and I don't think we'll be too surprised at some of the names in his little black book. We might even find some Dutch judges that had a special predelection for Joran's services.



I was thinking the same thing Dayhiker. I don't think he was dealing drugs on a regular basis...we would have heard more....he also probably would have been dead by now for drawing way too much attention to himself and the drug ring!!!

We know he didn't work...too much to steal from parents. Prostitution makes perfect sense...and he meets them in the casino!!! Slip off, do a quickie, come back w/ more cash to gamble with.
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« Reply #957 on: June 26, 2008, 02:07:13 PM »

new interim PG sworn in


Rob Pietersz, governor Fredis Refunjol, Rudy Croes

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43818.php

has been vice-PG of Aruba fro 9 months in the past.
and had been PG of Aruba.

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« Reply #958 on: June 26, 2008, 02:08:03 PM »

So according to Patrick's book, Joran told him the entire shoe stuff is BS.  That he never left his shoes behind but that it's part of a BS story he told the Kalpoes and because he told them he had to continue with the same lie?

I didn't understand that one either Klaas??!!

That's how it sounds, according to Patrick (according to Joran).  Unfortunately it makes sense and is quite believable, IMO.


ok...so he never lost the shoe/s, just part of the story. But original story was dropped her off at HI. So when did the shoes come up? Didn't the police bring it up because one was missing from his bedroom? Freddie was offering to buy a new pair of shoes for him that Monday correct?  Is it because they had intended to change the story?

I am confused again Klaas...lol

Tell me why it makes sense to you that he never lost his shoes but part of the disinformation.

OK...was the 1st story he walked home???

AAAHHH!!! lol...can't remember the order...lol

I think he did lose a shoe, and he started the size misinformation so that if his shoe was found it might be harder to be linked back to him.

Joran as queer bait. That explains Renfroes attachment to him. They were co workers working side by side on their knees:)
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« Reply #959 on: June 26, 2008, 02:12:24 PM »

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Introduction of new criminal code final
25 Jun, 2008, 18:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD – The Neth.Antilles and Aruba have promised to introduce the revised Criminal Codes before the new constitutional structure in the Kingdom. That appears from the list of decisions taken during the tripartite deliberation between the ministers of Justice of the Netherlands, Antilles, and Aruba last Monday.

The committee that was established especially for this has already submitted the concept of the Aruban Criminal Code last year. But the process was after that idle due to shortage of government legislation jurists that gave preference to other subjects like the National budget. The government has now promised to give the minister council the concept before September 1, so they can forward it to the Advisory Council.

Aruba and the Antilles have also promised to change the Code of Criminal Procedure regarding the special investigation methods. Justice is currently using these investigation methods without legal basis, as it turned our recently in the Domino case. The president of the Bar expressed a negative opinion on this. Also the OM indicated that they are not happy with the procedure, but have no other option to get heavy criminals behind bars.

The minister agreed that the Antilles and Aruba will give preferential treatment to a legal arrangement for the appeal of imposed fines in tax cases.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43804.php

also on frontpage:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/26/introduction-of-new-criminal-code-for-aruba-lets-hope-they-actually-use-it/
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