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« on: June 18, 2008, 01:58:38 AM »

I agree it's not like the three young men from Obama's church who mysteriously were murdered around Christmas 2007, but it is killing off the opposition.  Good old Obama learning from Mugabe and Che.

DNC wants McCain investigated

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Party officials plan to file a new lawsuit to compel federal regulators to investigate whether Sen. John McCain violated election laws by withdrawing from public financing.

The Democratic National Committee announced Tuesday it will sue next week in U.S. District Court. It will ask the court to order the Federal Election Commission to examine, within 30 days, the legality of McCain's decision to reject $5.8 million in taxpayer funds.

By turning down the money, the presumed Republican nominee was able avoid strict spending limits between now and the GOP's national convention in September.

At issue is a $4 million line of credit the McCain campaign obtained late last year. While the loan was not secured by the promise of public funds, his agreement with the bank required McCain to reapply for public funds if he lost early primary contests and to use that money as collateral.

The DNC filed a complaint with the FEC in February, arguing that the bank arrangement violated federal regulations. But the six-member FEC has been unable to act because it doesn't have a quorum. Four nominees are awaiting Senate confirmation.

In throwing out an earlier DNC lawsuit, a federal judge pointed out that federal rules give the FEC up to 120 days to act on a complaint. That deadline expires next Tuesday.

McCain's campaign and his bankers adamantly deny that they used the public funds as collateral. On Tuesday, Republican National Committee chief counsel Sean Cairncross called the suit "meritless," and noted that McCain was entitled to withdraw from the public finance system because he did not receive any public funds during the primary.

Still, FEC Chairman David Mason in February asked McCain to explain the terms of the loan and informed McCain that he would need approval from the full FEC before withdrawing from public financing. McCain's campaign said it did not need such approval.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 12:17:15 PM »

your comparisons are hilarious!
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 07:50:57 PM »

Your responses are neat.  Why don't you join the "Debunk for Obama" crowd with Brother Soros, moveon.org, whitehouse.com, huffpost, politico.com and all the other 527s that are out there funded by George Soros, the Saudi and Chinese money.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 10:35:39 PM »

i much rather prefer to read and respond to opinions i do not agree with.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 01:58:58 PM »

Caseu, I bet Einstein was referring to you when he made this statement.

"Stupidity is a personal achievement which transcends national boundaries." Albert Einstein
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 01:59:27 PM »

Caseu, I bet Einstein was referring to you when he made this statement.
"Stupidity is a personal achievement which transcends national boundaries." Albert Einstein
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 04:22:59 PM »

I'm reading the Political forum with interest! Please forgive the off topic, but I noticed that I had not made Tyler an avi for the 4th! Here you go, Tyler, if you should want one! 


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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 04:58:35 PM »

I'm reading the Political forum with interest! Please forgive the off topic, but I noticed that I had not made Tyler an avi for the 4th! Here you go, Tyler, if you should want one! 


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Oh, CBB, it's really beautiful!

You know it has been so long since did one, that you will have to walk me back through how I do this. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 05:54:42 PM »

   Tylergal, I love the authentic zingers that you dole out to, what caesu, must consider to be extremely quick-witted and hurtful. they are not...they are just plain stupid and laughable, showing, as you have pointed out, a lack of intelligence.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 05:00:46 AM »

Caseu, I bet Einstein was referring to you when he made this statement.

"Stupidity is a personal achievement which transcends national boundaries." Albert Einstein

was that a response to my post above that one?

so you prefer to read only opinions you agree with.
that would explain your narrow-mindedness.
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 12:28:47 PM »

Caseu-

I believe Tyler is tired of your debunking from the likes of Arianna and friends, that's different from you being a voter in this country delivering bonafide researched support for Obama's platform. That you do not do, you just try to bounce off the hype.

Interesting that Obama's so worried about how much McCain is allowed to spend, isn't it? Interesting that Obama LIED to every voter in the US during the primaries isn't it, it's just AOK in his mind to lie about using public financing then change his mind once he knocks Hillary out of the running.

I found this on MSNBC this morning and I read comments like "want to play in Georgia" just after posting yesterday that maybe Obama's just a good ole playa. Yep he is, his campaign is about capitalizing off that charisma and buying his way into the presidency - not form and substance, just good ole FLASH to the tune of spending 300 MILLION DOLLARS !!!

If he does succeed then I'll have confirmed my worst fear, in a country with tremendous educational opportunity we're too lazy to dig deep and use our critical thinking skills. No wonder our country is in such a mess, we have no one to blame but ourselves unless we begin to use what we boast to the world we are so dang good at - a smart and educated and productive nation.

Sheesh......... !!!! Hey Caseu you love Obama so much why don't you emigrate here and campaign for him, it's the least you can do for you just might learn the reality.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25306929

Obama plans national push on ads, turnout
Hopes to force McCain to compete in states that GOP thought were safe
By Jim Rutenberg and Christopher Drew

updated 8:49 p.m. ET, Sat., June. 21, 2008
UNIVERSITY PLACE, Wash. - Senator Barack Obama is drawing up plans for extensive advertising and voter-turnout drives across the nation, hoping to capitalize on his expected fund-raising advantage over Senator John McCain to force Republicans to compete in states they have not had to defend in decades.

With his decision to give up public financing and the spending limits that go with it, Mr. Obama has added several seasoned hands to his advertising team, a harbinger of a multifaceted television campaign that people inside and outside Obama headquarters said would grow well beyond its already large presence in 18 states.

Future commercials could run on big national showcases like the Olympics in August and smaller cable channels like MTV and Black Entertainment Television that appeal to specific demographic and interest groups.

He is also dispatching paid staff members to all states, an unusual move by the standards of modern presidential campaigns where the fight is often contained to contested territories.

Aides and advisers to Mr. Obama said they did not believe he necessarily had a serious chance of winning in many of the traditionally Republican states. They said he could at least draw Mr. McCain into spending time and money in those places while swelling Democratic enrollment and supporting other Democrats on the ballot.

Tailoring the message to the voter
Mr. Obama’s strategists are studying data from focus groups, magazine subscription lists and census studies, the first steps toward an intensive door-to-door drive, using volunteers overseen by a growing staff of organizers.

Their aim is to reach voters with messages tailored to their interests through mail, e-mail and word of mouth.
 
Free from the constraints of public financing, Mr. Obama’s budget for the rest of the year could exceed $300 million, campaign and party officials have said. But his fund-raising slowed in May, when the campaign raised $22 million — $10 million less than in April and a large decline from the record amounts he was taking in earlier this year. The decline was evidence that he might have to invest substantial time at fund-raising to match the levels he set in the first quarter this year.

Still, Mr. Obama’s allies said his success at assembling a huge network of donors should give his campaign the resources to build a far-reaching command-and-control center, something that Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts lacked when he was the Democratic nominee in 2004. Mr. Kerry’s depleted coffers and reliance on public funds forced him to count on outside groups to sign up voters and run advertisements on his behalf.

With Mr. McCain’s acceptance of public financing restricting him to a budget of $84.1 million this fall, party officials say Mr. Obama’s decision to opt out of the system is well worth the criticism he has received this week for doing so, which even came from some allies.

“To have these enormous resources just gives you so many strategic options,” said Tad Devine, a senior strategist for Mr. Kerry’s 2004 campaign. “If John Kerry had these resources and had stayed outside the system of public funding, I believe he’d be president today.”

Aides to Mr. Obama, of Illinois, have warned their donors against being overly giddy. His campaign manager, David Plouffe, last week urged top fund-raisers to intensify their work as they seek to tap into those who previously supported only Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Mr. Obama will help out by personally attending money-raising events from coast to coast over the next few weeks.

McCain can turn to GOP committee
Republicans said they expected Mr. Obama to show a sizable financial advantage, but it might not help him if the race came down to the handful of states that decided the last few presidential elections. In that case, they said, the $84.1 million in public financing that Mr. McCain would receive would be enough for everything he needed to stay competitive.

Mr. McCain also will have considerable help from the Republican National Committee, which has far outpaced the Democratic Party in fund-raising and still holds the vaunted voter identification and turnout machinery that President Bush’s campaign built with his chief strategist, Karl Rove, and the former Republican chairman, Ken Mehlman.

And Republican officials said in interviews that Mr. McCain, of Arizona, had a strong political identity that has kept him at or near parity with Mr. Obama in several polls, and would help carry him through the general election.

“While we will be outspent in this election, we will have the necessary resources to drive Senator McCain’s message of reforming government, achieving prosperity and delivering peace,” said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee.

Even with the fund-raising dip in May, aides to Mr. Obama expect to have something Mr. McCain likely will not: enough resources to eliminate the hard choices campaigns have traditionally faced when balancing the competing needs of their various state efforts.

“These resources allow you to not make decisions based on financial limitations,” Mr. Plouffe said in an interview.

Referring to a state that has long leaned Republican, he added, “If we want to go play in a state like Georgia” in the fullest way, “we’ll be able to do that.”

Obama expands staff
By the end of the month, the Obama campaign will have a director and staff members in all 50 states. While some states will have only a few workers assigned to them, the biggest battlegrounds will have scores, many of whom will arrive by the Fourth of July.

The campaign is in many ways building on a strategy championed by Howard Dean, the party chairman who has been pressing Democrats to establish a presence in all states rather than focus primarily on battlegrounds. But Mr. Obama is putting his own stamp on the plan by moving much of the party’s operations from Washington to his headquarters in Chicago and installing Paul Tewes, one of his top organizers, to oversee it.

Party leaders in Republican-leaning states like Georgia and Montana are already reporting an influx of paid Obama staffers and volunteers who were sent there to begin registering potential Obama voters.

Mr. Obama’s team is also sending resources to Virginia, which no Democratic presidential candidate has won since 1964. Abbi Easter, treasurer of the state’s Democratic Party, said Mr. Obama had dispatched five paid staff members to the state to begin organizing a voter registration drive.

“I’ve been doing Democratic politics in the state for 25 years, and this is such a novelty I feel like a kid at their first Christmas,” Ms. Easter said.

She said she was also expecting help from as many as 100 of the 3,600 “Obama Organizing Fellows,” a group of full-time volunteers fanning out across the country to oversee local registration efforts. The mobilization is being helped along by Mr. Obama’s robust Internet operation specializing in reaching out to the younger voters who use social networking sites like Facebook.

Campaign modeled on Bush's
But Mr. Plouffe said the volunteer program was modeled after the one that Mr. Bush’s aides devised in 2004, which sent supporters door to door to spread the word about the president in their own neighborhoods — a personal touch informed by detailed lists of neighbors’ occupations, voting histories, pet causes and hobbies.

Four years ago, Democrats and their liberal allies scrambled to match the vast lists of personal voter information gathered by the Republicans through public records and consumer data banks.

The Democratic National Committee has since greatly improved its voter information file, which is now at Mr. Obama’s disposal. But his aides were also considering buying another huge list with information on tens of millions of Americans. The list is owned by Catalist, a private concern co-founded by a longtime Democratic operative, Harold M. Ickes.

In an interview, Mr. Ickes said Mr. Obama’s campaign aides were particularly interested in new information his company had gathered about cable television viewing habits.

Obama campaign officials said that was because they were considering a tailored commercial campaign on niche cable channels that could give Mr. Obama special access to groups that his campaign deemed crucial for victory, like the young audience for MTV and the African-American viewership for BET.

“It’s a great opportunity to get people information that may be particularly germane to them,” David Axelrod, the campaign’s chief strategist, said of the specialty cable commercials, perfected by Mr. Bush in 2004.

Open to broadcast TV
Yet Mr. Obama’s team has looked into advertising in as many as 25 states and has made clear its openness to running commercials on the broadcast television networks.

All of this, of course, is going to take more than the $43.1 million that Mr. Obama had in the bank as of last month. Officials said they expected that Mrs. Clinton’s fund-raisers could bring in a total of $75 million in the coming weeks.

But, members of both parties said, Mr. Obama had his real advantage in his own group of 1.5 million donors, many of whom have given small amounts and could be readily tapped again.

“They’ll continue to give,” said Eli Pariser, the executive director of the liberal group MoveOn, an Internet fund-raising pioneer. “As long as he doesn’t treat them as an A.T.M., but as partners in the movement.”

Jeff Zeleny contributed reporting.

This story, Obama Plans National Push on Ads and Turnout, originally appeared in The New York Times.


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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 03:40:53 PM »

A new editorial -

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And then on Thursday, Fast Eddie Obama had his finest hour. Barack Obama has worked on political reform more than any other issue. He aspires to be to political reform what Bono is to fighting disease in Africa. He’s spent much of his career talking about how much he believes in public financing. In January 2007, he told Larry King that the public-financing system works. In February 2007, he challenged Republicans to limit their spending and vowed to do so along with them if he were the nominee. In February 2008, he said he would aggressively pursue spending limits. He answered a Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire by reminding everyone that he has been a longtime advocate of the public-financing system.

But Thursday, at the first breath of political inconvenience, Fast Eddie Obama threw public financing under the truck. In so doing, he probably dealt a death-blow to the cause of campaign-finance reform. And the only thing that changed between Thursday and when he lauded the system is that Obama’s got more money now.

And Fast Eddie Obama didn’t just sell out the primary cause of his life. He did it with style. He did it with a video so risibly insincere that somewhere down in the shadow world, Lee Atwater is gaping and applauding. Obama blamed the (so far marginal) Republican 527s. He claimed that private donations are really public financing. He made a cut-throat political calculation seem like Mother Teresa’s final steps to sainthood.

The media and the activists won’t care (they were only interested in campaign-finance reform only when the Republicans had more money). Meanwhile, Obama’s money is forever. He’s got an army of small donors and a phalanx of big money bundlers, including, according to The Washington Post, Kenneth Griffin of the Citadel Investment Group; Kirk Wager, a Florida trial lawyer; James Crown, a director of General Dynamics; and Neil Bluhm, a hotel, office and casino developer.

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I have to admit, I’m ambivalent watching all this. On the one hand, Obama did sell out the primary cause of his professional life, all for a tiny political advantage. If he’ll sell that out, what won’t he sell out? On the other hand, global affairs ain’t beanbag. If we’re going to have a president who is going to go toe to toe with the likes of Vladimir Putin, maybe it is better that he should have a ruthlessly opportunist Fast Eddie Obama lurking inside.

All I know for sure is that this guy is no liberal goo-goo. Republicans keep calling him naïve. But naïve is the last word I’d use to describe Barack Obama. He’s the most effectively political creature we’ve seen in decades. Even Bill Clinton wasn’t smart enough to succeed in politics by pretending to renounce politics.


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