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« on: June 26, 2008, 11:14:59 AM »

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 02:52:30 PM »

I love the caption "TIMBA'S CHEESY WEDDING WONDERLAND"

 



http://www.tmz.com/2008/06/26/timbalands-karaoke-wedding/
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 02:54:00 PM »

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 02:55:04 PM »

Also from the previous thread:


It does explain how he got his money. This investigation could indeed unlock the door to revealing who and why he has been protected all these years and I don't think we'll be too surprised at some of the names in his little black book. We might even find some Dutch judges that had a special predelection for Joran's services.


I was thinking the same thing Dayhiker. I don't think he was dealing drugs on a regular basis...we would have heard more....he also probably would have been dead by now for drawing way too much attention to himself and the drug ring!!!

We know he didn't work...too much to steal from parents. Prostitution makes perfect sense...and he meets them in the casino!!! Slip off, do a quickie, come back w/ more cash to gamble with.


Yep, why go to the burden of carrying drugs around when all he had to do is drop his pants and bend over.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 02:58:18 PM »

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 


I have a question. Do Bon Dia and Aruba Today allow the advertisements of prostitutes and whorehouses?
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 03:01:29 PM »

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 

Ummm...I believe the term they use is "escorts."

I have a question. Do Bon Dia and Aruba Today allow the advertisements of prostitutes and whorehouses?
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 03:02:06 PM »

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 



I have a question. Do Bon Dia and Aruba Today allow the advertisements of prostitutes and whorehouses?

Let's try that again.

Ummm...I believe the term they use is "escorts."
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 03:04:58 PM »

I got locked out of a thread for the first time ever!!! lol 

ok...copied my post...here it tis:

Holy sheet...here is an eye opener posted by Heli at RU.

Never even thought of this one!!! Did the missing shoe belong to "Draury". Ok...what size shoe does paulass wear???!!! How about Dild....errr Guildo?

Destiny....this one may be yours...as usual..my great sleuth!!! lol

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On 7-31 J. MANSUR said that the police are looking for a size 14, brand “K-Swiss,” expensive tennis shoe that Principal Suspect J. SLOOT was missing, and had tried to buy a single same tennis shoe of in the 10+ days before his arrest. The police think the tennis shoe may be in/near the pond.

Joran was found by ALE to actually wear a size 10-1/2 shoe.

If a size 14 K-Swiss shoe was found at the van der Sloot house
or in Joran's apartment (a shoe that supposedly had blood on
the inside according to Beth) I think it may be reasonable to
ask whether this Size 14 belonged to the person who came to
Joran's aid on the beach and who Joran claims went to the vdS
home when he was finished dumping the body.

Hopefully, a DNA profile was obtained from the inside of that
Size 14 with a view to determining who the wearer/owner of it
was. Who left a Size 14 K-Swiss at Joran's house or does anyone
in the vdS family wear a Size 14? 
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 03:05:50 PM »

There are lots of gays in Aruba according to my old my neighbor..He went to Carlos and Charlies and was actually harrassed by a gay man who wouldn't leave him alone..lol! He had to tell the guy he would kill him if he didn't leave him alone. He met another American there who he partied with who bought a bunch of coke,it was so cheap he couldn't get rid of it all before he left so he had to dump it.

He said the natives told him the girl was taken off the island because the parents had a large insurance policy. He said he constantly receives mail with discounted trips up to 50% off.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008, 03:06:20 PM »

Really, they advertise male escorts????
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 03:15:23 PM »

this is jimmies place


http://www.jimmysaruba.com/


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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 03:15:42 PM »

Posted by fierljepper, BFN - From Patrick's book

Some new data from car ride 13-01-2008

Joran says that he did not have intercourse with Natalee.

Joran defends Natalee against the apparent claims that he she had been in a “kick-off clinic” or was on drugs that night. He says he has never seen proof of these rumors.

Joran lies to Patrick that the text message said “Thanks for the lift, see you tomorrow”. Patrick doesn’t fall for this.

Joran says that the friend who helped him wanted to go to the police. Joran didn’t want that. Then the friend called a third person and after that told Joran to go home and that everything would be arranged. Joran says that he though the friend called for a boat.

Joran says that in hindsight he should have just told what happened but didn’t know at that time how big it would become.



New data from car ride 15-01-2008

P Where is that phone booth near the Hyatt… or near the Marriott?

J Every hotel has one

P Oh. In the hotel.

J Each hotel has ONE.

P Yeah, I know. Inside.

J No, outside.

P In the lobby?

J No just outside. Near the swimming pool.

P Ok.

J They are everwhere….each hotel…it’s not normal how many of these phone booths are out there.

P No, no, no. Everywhere, I know, ok.
(…)

P But one thing I don’t understand.. Oke, she lies there and she’s dead, heh…. That friend…, heh…I know this friend is your father.. I know it Joran.

J No, no, no.

P Why not? Why would somebody who picks you up tell you “you have to go to school”. After you said that to me, I knew it.

J No

Joran again strongly denies that his father is involved.

Joran also says that the friend wasn’t there when it all happened (i.e. Natalee collapsed) and also that all events went so terribly fast.

Joran says about “the friend” that he has committed an atrako (= “raid”).

Joran again explains that he would never hurt a girl and would rather kick a man that is doing harm to a girl.
 


Joran about the arrest and interrogations in December 2007

Joran says that they had something against Satish since he talked very nervously to his girlfriend in Suriname the first two days after the event.  Police even talked to the girlfriend.

Joran also says that (asshole) Deepak had mentioned in chat conversation that he had sex with her. Joran believes he has just been bragging.

Joran explains that they had nothing against him but even came up with a conversation between his brother and his girlfriend at the time who also was named Natalee.

Joran says he has remained silent all the time and looked the interrogators straight in the eyes.

The name Joran mentions is Daury Davens. Dutch mother, Aruban Father. Patrick thinks that Joran knows about the "Atrako" (=robbery) and that's the thing he holds against him. Patrick and Joran make plans to actually meet the guy who apparently is in NL at that time (Jan. '08).



Joran speaks very highly of his father and (pretty convincingly) says that he is extremely honest and would have turned him. Joran also says that he has lied to both his parents and to his lawyers (who he called stupid).

The planned meeting with Daury doesn’t take place since Joran calls Patrick in the morning to explain that Daury had just left the country that day.

Joran provides some interesting details about Daury:
• He was only a year in NL
• Joran knows him since he was 5 years old (!)
• He has “business” that require him to fly between Aruba and NL
• He has people working for him and recently an American woman who works for him has been caught in possession of cocaine. Daury had freaked out, since he was very afraid she would talk.



Translation of the shoe story:

(...)
I ask him why he got rid off his shoes.: "That only makes things more complicated?"

"But I thought that something like that would make the whole thing more believable. I know, it's stupid, but in the end I did get a kick out of it", Joran clarifies.

P. The only thing I believe is that there is something with these shoes that you don't want people to see.

J. No, of course not. I still have these shoes. I just had told the boys (note FJ: think it's the Kalpoes) that I left the shoes behind. So stupid... so stupid!

P. Yeah, that was really stupid, man! But I just don't get it, you know. The penny doesn't drop. Why would someone do a thing like that? And how thorough I try to think this through about why I would do such a thing, what do I want to achieve with that? That's only provoking more attention. And even if I'd done such a thing, I would have never told them.

J. No, but look, that's exactly it. It was just a load of bullshit with the police. That thing had emerged then. I even have put on the same K-Swiss shoes when I was with the police... during the interrogations I put them on the table. And then these were size 14 and I had told them that I have size 12, you know. Exactly the same shoes... extactly the same...I put on the table.

P Oh. Hahaha.

J Bam! In front of the detectives. Then during the interrogations, Patrick, then I told him: "Yes, those shoes were just like these." Just to screw them for a moment, you know? Then he said: "Take off your shoes!" And this is all on camera, you know? Three cameras were there in that room and then I said: "I'm not going to take off my shoes." (... then Joran talks about his lawyer and that he in the end smashed his shoes on the table...). 
 


New conversation from P275:

J. Yeah. That indeed has been a pitty, Patrick.

P. Yeah. This makes it all more complicated you know?

J. Yes. Of course I haven't know the full story, you know?

P. What do you mean, never knew the full story?

J. Yeah, I knew of course everything that happened, but hey... of course I can't talk about that. That shouldn't be possible? You can't put those other people at risk.

P. What other people... I though there was only one, wasn't it?

J. Yes... Daury. I don't want to bring him into trouble.

P. And your father knows it as well, man.

J. My father knows absoletely nothing. My father has...he knows nothing about this... He doesn't know a thing about the whole event. That's the worst thing of all. That man would die, he wouldn't be able to cope with this. He couldn't even harm a fly. My father is weak.
 

 
 


 

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 03:16:03 PM »

Really, they advertise male escorts????

High stakes gambling and special favors tend to go hand in hand...be it male or female.  You pay the money and you get what you want.  It happens in the USA too.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 03:16:46 PM »

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 

don't forget purcell, he was right next door at the marriott.  there are pictures on the web of jvds partying in rooms at the marriott.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 03:22:24 PM »

What is a "kick off clinic"?
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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2008, 03:26:45 PM »

I got locked out of a thread for the first time ever!!! lol 

ok...copied my post...here it tis:

Holy sheet...here is an eye opener posted by Heli at RU.

Never even thought of this one!!! Did the missing shoe belong to "Draury". Ok...what size shoe does paulass wear???!!! How about Dild....errr Guildo?

Destiny....this one may be yours...as usual..my great sleuth!!! lol

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Heli Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:15 am   

On 7-31 J. MANSUR said that the police are looking for a size 14, brand “K-Swiss,” expensive tennis shoe that Principal Suspect J. SLOOT was missing, and had tried to buy a single same tennis shoe of in the 10+ days before his arrest. The police think the tennis shoe may be in/near the pond.

Joran was found by ALE to actually wear a size 10-1/2 shoe.

If a size 14 K-Swiss shoe was found at the van der Sloot house
or in Joran's apartment (a shoe that supposedly had blood on
the inside according to Beth) I think it may be reasonable to
ask whether this Size 14 belonged to the person who came to
Joran's aid on the beach and who Joran claims went to the vdS
home when he was finished dumping the body.

Hopefully, a DNA profile was obtained from the inside of that
Size 14 with a view to determining who the wearer/owner of it
was. Who left a Size 14 K-Swiss at Joran's house or does anyone
in the vdS family wear a Size 14? 


First off this post of Heli's is full of holes.  ALE did NOT "find" that Joran actually wore a size 10 1/2, what they "found" is that the shoe he was wearing during interrogation was marked 10.5.  They questioned him about it.  I do not believe for a minute that Joran actually wears a size 10.5, I just don't believe it.  Although, after seeing that photo of him in Thailand naked on the beach it does appear to be possible if he feet are proportionate to the rest of his "attributes", LOL
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2008, 03:30:42 PM »

this is jimmies place


http://www.jimmysaruba.com/




Ah, Jimmy's place..almost forgot about this place, LOL    Didn't someone find a photo of Mark Purcell at Jimmy's? 
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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2008, 03:31:10 PM »

I got locked out of a thread for the first time ever!!! lol 

ok...copied my post...here it tis:

Holy sheet...here is an eye opener posted by Heli at RU.

Never even thought of this one!!! Did the missing shoe belong to "Draury". Ok...what size shoe does paulass wear???!!! How about Dild....errr Guildo?

Destiny....this one may be yours...as usual..my great sleuth!!! lol

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Heli Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:15 am   

On 7-31 J. MANSUR said that the police are looking for a size 14, brand “K-Swiss,” expensive tennis shoe that Principal Suspect J. SLOOT was missing, and had tried to buy a single same tennis shoe of in the 10+ days before his arrest. The police think the tennis shoe may be in/near the pond.

Joran was found by ALE to actually wear a size 10-1/2 shoe.

If a size 14 K-Swiss shoe was found at the van der Sloot house
or in Joran's apartment (a shoe that supposedly had blood on
the inside according to Beth) I think it may be reasonable to
ask whether this Size 14 belonged to the person who came to
Joran's aid on the beach and who Joran claims went to the vdS
home when he was finished dumping the body.

Hopefully, a DNA profile was obtained from the inside of that
Size 14 with a view to determining who the wearer/owner of it
was. Who left a Size 14 K-Swiss at Joran's house or does anyone
in the vdS family wear a Size 14? 


First off this post of Heli's is full of holes.  ALE did NOT "find" that Joran actually wore a size 10 1/2, what they "found" is that the shoe he was wearing during interrogation was marked 10.5.  They questioned him about it.  I do not believe for a minute that Joran actually wears a size 10.5, I just don't believe it.  Although, after seeing that photo of him in Thailand naked on the beach it does appear to be possible if he feet are proportionate to the rest of his "attributes", LOL


I don't know Klaas....could we have it backwards? Could the shoes he was wearing have been a 14 but the one in his closet that had blood in it...according to Beth I believe...and one missing...had been a 10 1/2?

OK...I have a nanner for you now!!! lol...check your nanner basket in a moment!!!
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2008, 03:38:24 PM »

*******, what a "kick off clinic"
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 03:40:31 PM »

Arubatoday - the one that Julia Renfro is the Managing Editor of, the one Julia Renfro claims is geared towards the tourists.

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3



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