Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 - 6/30/08

[texasmom]

I just went to the bottom of the page on the SM Discussion page and it showed 92 guests.  Either that's wrong, or something's going on and everyone's coming here to see what's being said.     

That's not wrong everyone comes here because we have the BEST INFORMATION and the BEST RESEARCHERS  with NO BS
They take are information back to there small so called forums and twist it around. 

That's the truth!   

[Blonde]

I don't know if this Joe Oduber is related to Nelson. We know 2 of Nelson's sons are named Glenson and Nelson Jr. I know (from JR Oduber) that the oldest son works in the government and is quite a bit older than the young man in this picture (who looks like he's doing a print ad for Bowflex... and not a very good one). The oldest son would not be on Zorpia... that site targets a much younger audience. I would think that his being a government official would deter him from posting on a site like Zorpia - very juvenile and unprofessional.

I will ask about this Joe Oduber, though. Just to see if we can figure out who he is and where, if at all, he fits in.

Still looking for more

[Blonde]

I remembered the name Jairo from ongoing discussion at SM. a poster named Rob had been quoting him as a source for various things since June. the most recent discussion, today, was that Rob is convinced that Jairo is Shango. Jairo is attending college in FL. Rob said Jairo dropped out of sight around the same time Shango began posting & Rob would occasionally mention things he remembered Jairo telling him in the past. he did describe Jairo as speaking cryptically & had the impression sometimes that he (Jairo) was being told to cool it

I searched SM's June archives this afternoon/evening & found these posts which gave a Jairo Dirksen's tickle site, listing the Netherlands as his home. I compared the photos & he's not the guy pictured at the airport link you posted. I just now went back to copy the tickle photos for reference & the account has been cancelled, w/in less than 2 hours after I viewed it. Melody (Joran's gf) was listed/pictured as a friend on Jairo's site, does anyone have her tickle site? possibly Jairo is still listed as her friend & we could retrieve the photo?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:55 pm

Rob wrote: anyone, a picture of jairo.....

XXXXX wrote: http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?_=aaaaaqaaaaG2mleaaaaemTKZnl3So8gaaaabnliaaaaiJke4GSoxnLc8OKi2OTMgGy00

rob wrote: did nt see anyone i knew....

so Jairo Dirksen is not Rob's Jairo but he did cancel his tickle account the same time that SM was discussing him? I'd like to go back & review what Rob says about their acquaintanceship but can't research the posts cuz the SM server is down

I had this saved

[Kermit]

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Wel, any colombian could, or venezuelan. It means they get lots of cash from higher people in thei respective countries if they show up there with a girl....especially a beautiful american girl. With a boat u can reach the venezuelan mainland in about an hour, hour and a half.....so it's possible that a couple of hours after natalee left carlos n charlies, she already set foot on latin america....
There are a lot of illegal people in aruba, u can compare it with mexicans trying to cross the us border....they come with a boat and mostly arrive at the northern side of the island, here the ocean is pretty rough and there are no beaches, lots of rocks and dirt.....i remember good how sometimes when we go to certain spots on the island to drink or so....we can see boats with no lights passing by.....chances are big its people trying to get in aruba illegaly....nowadays its harder for them with the us coastguard and the dutch marines covering the island alot more.
I dont think if joran sold here it would be to pay back a gambling debt.....he and his father were in the casino regularly, i think joran did get lots of money from his parents and his dad would pay anything he owed so.....
But im not saying it didnt happen.....i just dont think it did....
About hyro....i dont know much about him, dont know him personally...he's just a normal dude....actually was in holland last year, didnt see him though.....

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Received 11/01/05 11:07 a.m.

hey, was at a friend for a couple of days in The Hague...

[I asked him about Nel Oduber's sons names]uhmm.....one is Glenson........the youngest is Nelson Jr. aka Chito.......the oldest i dont recall right now....

I dont really know that much about dompig.....when i go there i probably will find out more...


there was a lot of speculation last week about a break up of nel's party, MEP.....he needed to declare who will be the next ministers....and he wanted ramon lee, minister, of sport & culture, to stand down, but he argued against, and probably will remain that minister.....also nel wanted rudy croes to abandon his ministry of justice.....here rudy caused alot of problems, cause nel offered him the ministry of tourism, but rudy wanted justice by any means necesary.......so....it all seems that the same ministers will remain in parliament....this week Nel will publicy anounce his decisions.

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Received 11/01/05 12:06 p.m.

Rudy didnt wanna leave justice, nel wanted him to take tourism cause rudy spend a lot of money in justice the past 4 years, but he went behind in votes at the last election, and he had a lot of criticism the past 4 years......but he probably will stay minister of justice....

Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:08 am    
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Received 11/04/05 8:30 a.m.

Could be that politicians go there, but cant surely say if they do...i have seen some politicians in casinos and in cafe bahia, but i cant say about vip club..

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Received 11/07/05 12:42 p.m.

friend of mine stayed in a hotel with this freddy dude last week... Yeah, he stayed with freddy and some more guys and girls.....Well he told me they talked about the case, here and there goofing about it, but he said that freddy normally has a big mouth and gives his opinion about everything......but on the natalee case he didnt say a single word......so.....u can pull ur own conclusion there,.....

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Background:

There was some news here in holland about the case....and more people are starting to believe she is ALIVE but not on the island anymore.....Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil are the countries she probably would be if this is true......
But some people say they have serious evidence she was sent overseas..... [from 11/06/05 message]

I replied: You said, "Some people say they have serious evidence she was sent overseas" -- well, what kind of evidence do you mean? And who is saying this?

11/07/05 Message:

They say although many people thinks she is probably dead, they interviewed a latin guy who kinda fucked up by saying something he shouldn't have, something about the girl getting on a boat with spanish speaking people.....I havent seen the full interview, cause i needed to work, but they rerun it thursday night.........I dont know how accurate these interviews are, but i hope i can see it completely thursday...

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I dont know if he [Freddy] was joking, but to him i would say what goes around comes around.!!!!

Ok, this lorenzo wever guy, what is his story....

Well, wever isnt as common as Croes and Tromp....but I now lotsa people with Wever as last names...

Btw, Nel Oduber has finally finished with naming his ministers....All stayed the same...except now they are 7 minister instead of 8...

Nel Oduber: Minister President & Minister of General Affairs.

Marisol Lopez-Tromp: Minister of Social Affairs & Education (this was a single ministry last time)

Rudy Croes: Minister of Justice....But he no longer has power on giving permission for jobs, this will now be in hands of minister of labor.

Nilo Swaen: Minister of Finance & Economical Affairs.

Edison Briesen: Minister of Tourism & Transport.

Booshi Wever: Minister of Public Health.

Ramon Lee: Minister of Labor, Culture & Sport.

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The program is sixpack......their site is www.sixpack.tv
Its not a channel...its like a new group of youngsters televising subjects that interest the public at the moment....
I havent seen anything on their site yet about natalee...

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Received 11/17/05 3:29 p.m.

Hello,

A friend of mine was here a couple of minutes ago, you know, the son of a former lawyer for Yoran.....he called his brother, in aruba, and he told him there is a rumor that Natalee has been found in Mexico, alive.....i dont know anymore than that.....thats all he heard.....
Now, it is a rumor.......happens often that certain stories circulate.......whether they are false or not...i dont know yet...
But there's nothing about it on cnn, or fox or anywhere else.....so it is either a rumor, or just no one knows about it yet.....
Anyways, dont want to get ure hopes up or something, just thought u might find this interesting...
Bye

The friend he speaks of is Antonio Carlo's son.

   
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I wrote:

Are people really starting to boycott Beth Twitty down there?

So this VIP Club... what's it like? Is it open for business? Are there people in there? Or was it deserted? Have you ever been in there, or do you know anyone who has been in there?


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Well, not here, but this woman from California.....

I havent been inside the VIP club, when i passed it was during the day, so i assume it was closed, but i think at night it opens, I'll pass by one of these days at night to see if it is.....
Ill ask some friends if they ever went inside....


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I asked him about the vandalization of the Oduber graves... he did not know what I was talking about, so I pointed him to the video link.

"hello,

Yeah, i saw the video.....I didnt know about it.......but my dad told me there was this man whos sick in the head and got a grudge against an Oduber family cause his wife, (Oduber) cheated on him and left him for another man....But none of them are my relatives or related to my family in any way...thank god...

But how did the video makers end up at the cemetery??? odd"

Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:41 am    
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Hello.....

Uhmm, wel i dont know about this Koen fella...havent herad his name yet.....
The fact that beth has told lies about one or more things has been going around here for a while now...but I honestly do not know the thruth about that..
I heard on the news this morning that the cops have suficient evidence natalee's body might be buried at the DUnes behind the California Lighthouse....but they haven't said what evidence...so I dont know how TRUE this all is....

We'll see, maybe later on today i hear more about this, if not, definately on the news tonite....


btw, Happy V-day....


Bye


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JR made a comment to me that everyone on Aruba knew that Natalee was not as "innocent" as Beth made her out to be. I asked him to clarify.

The bold red is what I find most interesting.

With that I meant, that from the start Beth claimed Natalee to be the perfect All American girl...u know.....perfect student, perfect daughter, etc etc..... but she was seen drunk and doing drugs before she vanished and partying wild. I doubt Beth would approve of that if she saw it.....

But if she [Beth] knows this Koen is guilty....why wouldnt she start mentioning him, or is it now easier to keep the blame on joran....


bye bye

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Hey,

Well, a couple of people i know told me that the weekend before she vanished that they saw her, not only her, also her friends having a blast, and that they were pretty dunk and stuff....and dancing on the tables(which a lot of tourists do, pretty common), but they were pretty wasted.


good day

[Blonde]

Kermit 

[Lala'sMom]

I am thinking it would have been Chito...but he didn't go to school in the USA?  Right?

Wow!!  Thanks to everyone that found info on him. You guys are good!

[Observer]

I am still waiting to see why Patrick's book should be a best seller like he says. All I have seen so far is sleaze and not worthy of the paper it was printed on. His wife and Kids should be proud  Wel maybe she overlooks all that for the million he is bringing home.

[hotping]

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Does Anyone know if there is a TV Program tonight about Natalee's Case....My Papa says that He heard an ad for it but does not remember what it said or what channel but it is suppose to be tonight...TIA

[johan555]

June 18, 2005 21:41
Dutchman in Aruba longer in Jail

According to persistent rumours, the lawyer(Carlo) had contact with any of the other suspects. That is prohibited.
ORANJESTAD - A court commissioner in Aruba has ruled that Joram van der S. (17) Sunday in custody. That has a spokesperson of the Public Prosecutor (OM) said Saturday. He may still eight days from Sunday longer be detained. Van der S. is fixed since June 9 in connection with the disappearance of the 18-year-old American scholiere Natalee Holloway.

From her missing almost three weeks each track. The two brothers Deepak (21) and Satish K. (18), which together with Van der S. were arrested, remain locked up longer.


The Netherlands born Van der S. and his two Surinamese friends are the last ones in the company of Natalee are seen. Meanwhile fourth suspect was also arrested, the 26-year-old SGC They are all suspected of "complicity" of murder, manslaughter and kidnapping resulting in death, even though it is not yet clear whether the pupils is deceased.

Father

The spokesperson of the PPS would not say whether a link exists between the young men. But she said that the father of Van der S. not with his son visiting mag. The court commissioner who has decision Saturday morning (Dutch time). The father, judge who has his son still can not see.

Normal parents may still visit as suspects who are minors. The OM is afraid that the father can influence the investigation. The mother may have guided visits. The father has three days to appeal against the decision to go.

When the inverzekeringstelling has expired and the detention begins, suspects are generally transferred from a police cell to the House of Detention. That is in the area of the KIA, the prison of Aruba.

Contact

Joram will also be a few days without one of his three lawyers should do. Mr.. A. Carlo is eight days access to his client denied because he also could influence the investigation. According to persistent rumours, the lawyer had contact with any of the other suspects. That is prohibited. He himself, nor the OM wil give any comment .

KIA ARUBA

[johan555]

"me and Natalie"  Do we know if there is a Natalie or if he's playing the reader?  I assume this was discussed earlier when Johan posted, but I missed it.  Second, is it odd that he posts in English? 

odd  ???????

[texasmom]

Hi Hotping!  I was just thinking about you earlier...wondering where the heck you were!  Good to see ya!

I haven't watched much TV the past few days...so I don't know anything about a show tonight.

[Observer]

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Does Anyone know if there is a TV Program tonight about Natalee's Case....My Papa says that He heard an ad for it but does not remember what it said or what channel but it is suppose to be tonight...TIA

Hello Hotping I havent heard anything..Is it possible it is a rerun on cable?

[hotping]

Hi Hotping!  I was just thinking about you earlier...wondering where the heck you were!  Good to see ya!

I haven't watched much TV the past few days...so I don't know anything about a show tonight.

Hey TM......I'm always here just not posting much been working off forum so to speak......I don't watch TV either so I definitely don't know what Papa was talking about.....If anybody hears anything please post it....TIA

[hotping]

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Does Anyone know if there is a TV Program tonight about Natalee's Case....My Papa says that He heard an ad for it but does not remember what it said or what channel but it is suppose to be tonight...TIA

Hello Hotping I havent heard anything..Is it possible it is a rerun on cable?

Hey Ob.....That was My first thought was that it was a rerun but Ya never know with those colleges kids working the case.....Could be CNN...

[Observer]

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Does Anyone know if there is a TV Program tonight about Natalee's Case....My Papa says that He heard an ad for it but does not remember what it said or what channel but it is suppose to be tonight...TIA

Hello Hotping I havent heard anything..Is it possible it is a rerun on cable?

Hey Ob.....That was My first thought was that it was a rerun but Ya never know with those colleges kids working the case.....Could be CNN...

Yes I bet they do air something eventually on those college kids. I don't see anything televised tonight but I see Diario Fox Sports is televising soccer in spanish. I wonder if Jossy is involved with the other Diario publications and Media in other countries? Or is it just the newspapers in Colombia and Aruba?

[texasmom]

June 18, 2005 21:41
Dutchman in Aruba longer in Jail

According to persistent rumours, the lawyer(Carlo) had contact with any of the other suspects. That is prohibited.
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Hi Johan,
Yes, unfortunately for this case Paulus seems to be above the law; and if something was prohibited....he did it! 
 

[carpe noctem]

Lala's Ck Mailbox!


Does Anyone know if there is a TV Program tonight about Natalee's Case....My Papa says that He heard an ad for it but does not remember what it said or what channel but it is suppose to be tonight...TIA

Hello Hotping I havent heard anything..Is it possible it is a rerun on cable?

Hey Ob.....That was My first thought was that it was a rerun but Ya never know with those colleges kids working the case.....Could be CNN...

FOUND IT.

[Observer]

Just going through some old articles....One of them says that Geoffreys dad is Co Owner of VCB Security. If true,Who is the other owner?
http://tinyurl.com/6s9jka

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There are many sources that say GVC was indeed working for VCB when Nat dissapeared. Of course Rob Smith says otherwise,but since Rob Smith told me in person the FBI was heavily involved in Nat's dissapearance..I think he is FOS. This article also claims 2 more members of VCB are expected to be arrested.

    Van Cromvoirt, who is Dutch, works for his father’s private security company, VCB [Video Camara Beveiliging] Security, which patrols the beaches outside Aruba’s hotels to protect tourists. He was part of the team keeping an eye on the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying the night she vanished.

    Two more members of that security team are expected to be arrested shortly, the sources said.
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    Van Cromvoirt was picked up Saturday after police seized a white “VCB Security” T-shirt - possibly belonging to the suspect. Sources said the T-shirt has “forensic evidence” on it - believed to be specks of blood. Authorities in Aruba did not disclose what kind of drugs van Cromvoirt is accused of pushing - and whether Natalee had used them.

http://frictionpowered.wordpress.com/category/natalee-holloway/

[klaasend]

Just going through some old articles....One of them says that Geoffreys dad is Co Owner of VCB Security. If true,Who is the other owner?
http://tinyurl.com/6s9jka

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There are many sources that say GVC was indeed working for VCB when Nat dissapeared. Of course Rob Smith says otherwise,but since Rob Smith told me in person the FBI was heavily involved in Nat's dissapearance..I think he is FOS. This article also claims 2 more members of VCB are expected to be arrested.

    Van Cromvoirt, who is Dutch, works for his father’s private security company, VCB [Video Camara Beveiliging] Security, which patrols the beaches outside Aruba’s hotels to protect tourists. He was part of the team keeping an eye on the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying the night she vanished.

    Two more members of that security team are expected to be arrested shortly, the sources said.
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    Van Cromvoirt was picked up Saturday after police seized a white “VCB Security” T-shirt - possibly belonging to the suspect. Sources said the T-shirt has “forensic evidence” on it - believed to be specks of blood. Authorities in Aruba did not disclose what kind of drugs van Cromvoirt is accused of pushing - and whether Natalee had used them.

http://frictionpowered.wordpress.com/category/natalee-holloway/

VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY 
 
Business address PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY 
Date of commencement  14 AUGUST 2001 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 OCTOBER 2004 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
SIMOONS, ROBERTO FREDERICK IDAGARD; 
Residing in  PAGAAISTRAAT 10, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 JULY 1978 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  14 AUGUST 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS; 
Residing in  PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-HERTOGENCOSCH on 29 JUNE 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  2 DECEMBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 

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VCB (VIDEO, CAMARA & BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN) - HORECA SERVICES 
 
Business address PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  VCB (VIDEO, CAMARA & BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN) - HORECA SERVICES 
Date of commencement  1 DECEMBER 2002 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 APRIL 2006 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
RAMHARAKH, MICHAEL PAUL; 
Residing in  SOLITO 94, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 12 SEPTEMBER 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  9 DECEMBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 

[Blonde]

Joran's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, and the prosecutor, Karin Janseen, where the lawyer says he wants to clear his own conscience and that Joran is very much involved, that he played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway—but that Carlo is leaving it to the police to find the evidence. [Another van der Sloot attorney has denied that this happened.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/1