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« Reply #480 on: June 28, 2008, 04:54:04 PM »

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Maybe if we can zoom in and sharpen the "ear" we could tell... 

This is as close as I can get it.

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« Reply #481 on: June 28, 2008, 04:54:05 PM »

I have what I hope doesn't sound like a really stupid question.

I'm sitting here watching a TV show with a neurologist talking about how brain injury in childhood can cause criminal behavior in adults. He discusses head injuries from falling, sports, etc.

Have we ever heard (and I'm really serious about this) of Joran having had any kind of head injury when he was younger?
I seem to remember something about Anita falling while ice skating or something like that while she was pregnant with him.  That's the only thing that comes to mind.  I've read about this kind of thing before too...so I totally understand your question BTgirl!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #482 on: June 28, 2008, 04:54:17 PM »

This guy also appears to be wearing

a wedding ring or a pinky rannnnng on

his left hand.

Does Joran do that these days?
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« Reply #483 on: June 28, 2008, 04:56:00 PM »

I have what I hope doesn't sound like a really stupid question.

I'm sitting here watching a TV show with a neurologist talking about how brain injury in childhood can cause criminal behavior in adults. He discusses head injuries from falling, sports, etc.

Have we ever heard (and I'm really serious about this) of Joran having had any kind of head injury when he was younger?

Joran did state in his book that Anita fell while she was pregnant.
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« Reply #484 on: June 28, 2008, 04:59:07 PM »

I have what I hope doesn't sound like a really stupid question.

I'm sitting here watching a TV show with a neurologist talking about how brain injury in childhood can cause criminal behavior in adults. He discusses head injuries from falling, sports, etc.

Have we ever heard (and I'm really serious about this) of Joran having had any kind of head injury when he was younger?
I seem to remember something about Anita falling while ice skating or something like that while she was pregnant with him.  That's the only thing that comes to mind.  I've read about this kind of thing before too...so I totally understand your question BTgirl!


According to the principles of gravity...

she should have fallen right on her azz...

not her boobins!!!!


Just think, if she had fallen the other way... he'd be at Yale!
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"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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« Reply #485 on: June 28, 2008, 04:59:38 PM »

I have what I hope doesn't sound like a really stupid question.

I'm sitting here watching a TV show with a neurologist talking about how brain injury in childhood can cause criminal behavior in adults. He discusses head injuries from falling, sports, etc.

Have we ever heard (and I'm really serious about this) of Joran having had any kind of head injury when he was younger?

I believe it was just how he was raised as they let him do anything and he got away with everything. It's possible he was just born that way and the way Anita and PVDS raised him helped create a monster.

I see similar traits in my Nephew also the first born,who does what he wants when he wants and thinks he is invincible. One crazy kid who never knows when to stop and mean as hell to animals and people and he has a small conscious. Like Anita and Paul his parents are absolutely responsible for his actions as he got away with everything as a kid and was never punished.
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« Reply #486 on: June 28, 2008, 05:04:36 PM »

Thanks everyone. I didn't remember hearing about Anita falling while she was pregnant.

The TV show was very interesting. They talked about how early brain injury combined with other factors could cause a person to develop criminal behavior. Maybe Joran's upbringing was added to any injury he might have had and that shows up now in his out of control actions.
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« Reply #487 on: June 28, 2008, 05:06:19 PM »

Boobins Carpe!!!!
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« Reply #488 on: June 28, 2008, 05:09:59 PM »

Boobins Carpe!!!!

 

Hi Always 1!!!
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« Reply #489 on: June 28, 2008, 05:11:48 PM »

This guy also appears to be wearing

a wedding ring or a pinky rannnnng on

his left hand.

Does Joran do that these days?


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« Reply #490 on: June 28, 2008, 05:11:58 PM »

Hi Carpe, what are you doing in on such a pretty day??
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« Reply #491 on: June 28, 2008, 05:13:59 PM »


Thank you for clearing that up.  "Anus" must be a contemporary word associated with the island.   

 
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« Reply #492 on: June 28, 2008, 05:16:57 PM »

Carpe, Im out by the pool with my laptop, iced tea, and 'kini on.....Join me.
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« Reply #493 on: June 28, 2008, 05:18:32 PM »

I know some cousins of his sons, used to be in my class.... His oldest son works for the government, obviously got it cause of his dad, the 2 younger ones study, 1 in US, in in aruba.

Source: xxxxx

Hmm... so 2 in Aruba, 1 in the US... I could've sworn that JR told me 1 was in Holland because he was on the same plane as JR... let me try and find that...

Edited at 11:35 a.m.: Ohhh, read my first post in this thread. JR was on a plane to Holland at the end of August with the oldest Oduber son, who works for the government. This Oduber son was obviously on a short trip (business or pleasure?). So what was he doing going to Holland at the end of August? Anything significant happen with the case at the end of August?



Blonde - do you have any information about a possible connection between JR and the Oduber kid?

OHHH Crap I was supposed XXX out his name.

My friend was emailing him and they became friends he was just giving her some info I don't know anything else, I do have his picture I don't want to post it. He seems like a nice guy just trying to help out.
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« Reply #494 on: June 28, 2008, 05:20:21 PM »

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« Reply #495 on: June 28, 2008, 05:26:31 PM »

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« Reply #496 on: June 28, 2008, 05:26:58 PM »

Carpe, Im out by the pool with my laptop, iced tea, and 'kini on.....Join me.


I'm there, you said the magic word!!!!!



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« Reply #497 on: June 28, 2008, 05:28:16 PM »

This guy also appears to be wearing

a wedding ring or a pinky rannnnng on

his left hand.

Does Joran do that these days?




ha ha left hand ????
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« Reply #498 on: June 28, 2008, 05:32:00 PM »

email ******* !

I didn't get a email..Can you resend?
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« Reply #499 on: June 28, 2008, 05:34:38 PM »

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Dutchman in Aruba longer in Jail


According to persistent rumours, the lawyer(Carlo) had contact with any of the other suspects. That is prohibited.
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Johan ... it was not a rumor.

Antonio Carlo was removed from the case as Joran's legal representation on June 17, 2005.  He had visited the Security Guards who had been detained as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... an infraction of Aruban law.

However ... ten days later Carlo was still Joran's attorney and ... was still representing Joran in February, 2006 ... one month following Paulus van der Sloot joining the law firm "Anthony Carlo and Richie Kock."  Richie Kock was the attorney assigned to represent Joran when Carlo was apparently removed from the case.

Americans have been told from the getgo ... they do not grasp Aruban law.  This Canadian cannot grasp it either.

 

Janet

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JUNE 17, 2005

Three Aruba Suspects Going to Prison
Saturday, June 18, 2005


Also Friday, the court barred van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, from visiting the teen, effectively removing him from the case, said Attorney General spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.

As a result, the van der Sloots retained two more attorneys for the defense of their son, Richie Kock and Arjan Debie.

The court granted prosecutors' request to remove Carlo because he had visited one of two former security guards who had been detained and released in the case, authorities said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159970,00.html


JUNE 26, 2005

Two Aruba suspects ordered released
Judge freed after hearing; DJ also being let go
Sunday, June 26, 2005; Posted: 9:06 p.m. EDT (01:06 GMT)


Antonio Carlo, defense attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot, said Sunday his client was in good spirits, but was "shocked and disturbed" by his father's arrest.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/26/aruba.missing/index.html


FEBRUARY 17, 2005

Holloways sue Dutch teen over disappearance
17 February 2006


Joran is represented by lawyer Antonio Carlo, who is also Paulus van der Sloot's boss on Aruba. Carlo indicated he was not happy about Joran's trip to America for the ABC interview. "I'm on Aruba, you can draw your own conclusions," he said. Paulus van der Sloot joined Carlo's legal firm as a lawyer in January this year.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/holloways-sue-dutch-teen-over-disappearance-27729.html

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