Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 - 6/30/08

[klaasend]

Bearly - lol 

[Bearlyhere]

That was a SUPERRRR catch Bearly! I saw that this morning. You nailed it!!!

Why, thank you Carpe, now if I only had a hammer....hmmm...
 

[texasmom]

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Renee Says:
June 26th, 2008 at 21:19

@ Simmie
I have an idea… yes. but since there are scared monkeys watch, which earlier in the broadest terms, my texts have abused, I am very reluctant to become truths to be…. You have no idea what there is about me geroddeld. "I am by the family van der Sloot paid for the documents to make, I am the girlfriend of Paul van der Sloot, I'm there to Beth to break". For a few examples. All does not comply with the order. It touches me not personal but I do not want this nonsense the world runs.
Hence!
http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/06/25/de-gangster-in-patrick-van-der-eem/#comment-3446

If Renee's documentray were worth a dime some network of broadcasting group would have jumped all over it by now. She's been making it over two years now and hasn't sold it? At this point in time she has probably exhausted all her resources and it won't get sold because anybody with shit for brains knows they'd get sued if they ran it because it's a pack of undocumented lies. That's why she can't sell it.

I agree!  I wish they would broadcast it, I really feel like abusing some text! 

TM, what did you have for breakfast this morning?

I don't think it was my coffee with two mini biscuit & sausage this morning...I think it was more of my venturing around to other forums in the wee hours that's got me ready for battle!

[Bearlyhere]

Morgan Black

Event Date: February 4, 2007
Bruise: Sexual Assault
Bruise Location: Aruba
Age:  30
Home Town: Jacksonville, FL
Cruise Line: Carnival Cruise Lines
Cruise Ship: Carnival Victory
Attorney: Charles Lipcon, Gloria Allred
Details:

Morgan Black, a piano teacher and mother of three children, departed Miami, Florida for a Sixth Music Cruise  February 1, 2008 aboard the Carnival Victory.

Ms. Black says on the last night of the cruise, February 4, 2008, she was drugged and raped aboard the Victory.

The suit, number 1:2008cv21752 was filed on June 19, 2008 by the law firm of Lipcon, Margulies & Alsina and Gloria Allred n Florida Southern District Court, Miami Office and is to be heard by Judge Alan S. Gold.

The lawsuit was filed the same day a U.S. Senate subcommittee was hearing testimony for the International Cruise Victims Association, concerning crimes on the high seas.

This case is unfolding, please check back.

http://www.cruisebruise.com/Morgan_Black.html

Good choice.

[Bearlyhere]

Morgan Black

Event Date: February 4, 2007
Bruise: Sexual Assault
Bruise Location: Aruba
Age:  30
Home Town: Jacksonville, FL
Cruise Line: Carnival Cruise Lines
Cruise Ship: Carnival Victory
Attorney: Charles Lipcon, Gloria Allred
Details:

Morgan Black, a piano teacher and mother of three children, departed Miami, Florida for a Sixth Music Cruise  February 1, 2008 aboard the Carnival Victory.

Ms. Black says on the last night of the cruise, February 4, 2008, she was drugged and raped aboard the Victory.

The suit, number 1:2008cv21752 was filed on June 19, 2008 by the law firm of Lipcon, Margulies & Alsina and Gloria Allred n Florida Southern District Court, Miami Office and is to be heard by Judge Alan S. Gold.

The lawsuit was filed the same day a U.S. Senate subcommittee was hearing testimony for the International Cruise Victims Association, concerning crimes on the high seas.

This case is unfolding, please check back.

http://www.cruisebruise.com/Morgan_Black.html

I should have added to above post that this is reported :June 19th 2008.

Usually, it's a "Booze Cruise", on Aruba, it's a "Bruise Cruise."
 

[San]

Destiny sent me a photo from that website, that was from Senor Frog's on 6/26.  Destiny thought the photo looked a little bit like Lorenzo.  I didn't think it looked like Lorenzo at all.  This is the photo Destiny sent me.  Looks like something someone emailed to Destiny, I have my suspicions who:



IMO - it's not Lorenzo, it's just some guy having fun at Senor Frogs

No, but do you think this is him in this picture?

 

[Dayhiker]

Carpe wrote;

BB,

I hope that young thing, wasn't a hired undercover op. looking to document

all of the events, and then set them up to finish them off with another

big worldwide tv broadcast ala Peter R. De Vries style!

Do you people realize how

easy that would be to do? To zero in the final "nuke", as they say,

and sink the entire Netherlands Antilles tourism market 20,000 leagues under the sea?


Now that Americans and Dutch are being beaten and raped on almost

a weekly basis WITH IMPUNITY down there, this type of event really isn't

too much stretch for the imagination, huh?

Interesting notion. It would be easy huh?

EXTREMELY EASY.

In fact, I am surprised it hasn't been orchestrated as yet.

What is the magical number? How many people have to be beaten, raped,

or murdered before action is taken?

Carpe, a brilliant idea! Now wouldn't that sink Aruba faster than a lead balloon! Where can I contribute to the sting operation?????

[Dayhiker]

Only thing I can gather is that they were at port in Aruba at the time of incident.

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Carnival Sued In Alleged Cruise Ship Sex Assault
Alleged Sexual Assault By A Passenger Took Place In Feb. 2008
MIAMI (CBS4) ― A woman's dream vacation aboard a luxury cruise ship turned into a nightmare when she claimed she was sexually assaulted on board the ship four months ago. On Thursday, the married mother of three came forward to speak about the incident and file a lawsuit against the cruise line and others.

Morgan Black, represented by Attorney Gloria Allred, filed suit against Miami-based Carnival Cruise Lines, Sixthman LLC, and the suspect, identified as "John Doe." Sixthman LLC is a company based in Atlanta, Georgia which organizes themed cruises. In this case, the cruise featured singer John Mayer. Mayer is not named in the lawsuit.

The incident reportedly took place aboard the Carnival Cruise Ship "Victory" on February 4th, 2008. On that night, Black said she was in one of the ship's nightclubs when a man offered to buy her a drink. She declined the offer and said she was looking for her friend. A short time later, the man returned and said he saw her friend in another area of the nightclub. When the two walked to the other area, the section was closed and the man forced the woman into a room where he sexually assaulted her.

The victim notified Carnival security who investigated the incident, along with the FBI. The suspect, who was a passenger, was identified in a photo line-up.

The lawsuit alleges the sexual assault might have been prevented if there had been adequate security on the cruise ship.

http://cbs4.com/local/carnival.cruise.lines.2.752349.html

If they can sue a cruise ship they can sue a casino and bar that allows their illegally aged clientele to disappear tourist girls. Where is the law suit against the Excelsior and Carlos & Charlie's AKA Senor Frogs??? Bring it on!

[Bearlyhere]

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Renee Says:
June 26th, 2008 at 21:19

@ Simmie
I have an idea… yes. but since there are scared monkeys watch, which earlier in the broadest terms, my texts have abused, I am very reluctant to become truths to be…. You have no idea what there is about me geroddeld. "I am by the family van der Sloot paid for the documents to make, I am the girlfriend of Paul van der Sloot, I'm there to Beth to break". For a few examples. All does not comply with the order. It touches me not personal but I do not want this nonsense the world runs.
Hence!
http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/06/25/de-gangster-in-patrick-van-der-eem/#comment-3446

If Renee's documentray were worth a dime some network of broadcasting group would have jumped all over it by now. She's been making it over two years now and hasn't sold it? At this point in time she has probably exhausted all her resources and it won't get sold because anybody with shit for brains knows they'd get sued if they ran it because it's a pack of undocumented lies. That's why she can't sell it.

I agree!  I wish they would broadcast it, I really feel like abusing some text! 

TM, what did you have for breakfast this morning?

I don't think it was my coffee with two mini biscuit & sausage this morning...I think it was more of my venturing around to other forums in the wee hours that's got me ready for battle!

That'll do it, Sister.
 

[Dayhiker]

Carpe wrote;

BB,

I hope that young thing, wasn't a hired undercover op. looking to document

all of the events, and then set them up to finish them off with another

big worldwide tv broadcast ala Peter R. De Vries style!

Do you people realize how

easy that would be to do? To zero in the final "nuke", as they say,

and sink the entire Netherlands Antilles tourism market 20,000 leagues under the sea?


Now that Americans and Dutch are being beaten and raped on almost

a weekly basis WITH IMPUNITY down there, this type of event really isn't

too much stretch for the imagination, huh?

Interesting notion. It would be easy huh?

EXTREMELY EASY.

In fact, I am surprised it hasn't been orchestrated as yet.

What is the magical number? How many people have to be beaten, raped,

or murdered before action is taken?

Carpe, you need to send this idea to Geraldo. He'd do it!!!

[carpe noctem]

Destiny sent me a photo from that website, that was from Senor Frog's on 6/26.  Destiny thought the photo looked a little bit like Lorenzo.  I didn't think it looked like Lorenzo at all.  This is the photo Destiny sent me.  Looks like something someone emailed to Destiny, I have my suspicions who:



IMO - it's not Lorenzo, it's just some guy having fun at Senor Frogs

No, but do you think this is him in this picture?

 

 


classic!  ohhhhhh Brutuskkkk.... ek ek ek ek ekkkkkkkk

[Bearlyhere]

Carpe wrote;

BB,

I hope that young thing, wasn't a hired undercover op. looking to document

all of the events, and then set them up to finish them off with another

big worldwide tv broadcast ala Peter R. De Vries style!

Do you people realize how

easy that would be to do? To zero in the final "nuke", as they say,

and sink the entire Netherlands Antilles tourism market 20,000 leagues under the sea?


Now that Americans and Dutch are being beaten and raped on almost

a weekly basis WITH IMPUNITY down there, this type of event really isn't

too much stretch for the imagination, huh?

Interesting notion. It would be easy huh?

EXTREMELY EASY.

In fact, I am surprised it hasn't been orchestrated as yet.

What is the magical number? How many people have to be beaten, raped,

or murdered before action is taken?

Carpe, you need to send this idea to Geraldo. He'd do it!!!

Dayhiker, I think they'll recognize his mustache.   

[carpe noctem]

Dayhiker:
Carpe, you need to send this idea to Geraldo. He'd do it!!!


---

Consider it sent.


AOL VOICE:  GERALDOOOOO! YOU GOT MAILLLLL!!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Its almost as if Aruba's tourism was created by a curtain being pulled hiding the fact that Aruba is actually no different than the barbaric South American jungle ruled by ruthless drug lords. It was never safe there, it can't be safe there, and now we know it and can no longer pretend.

And I say that with no malice intended. Geography, the huge profits of the drug industry, the violence and decadence that accompanies that, all make the dreams of the good Croes and impossibility. Aruba's location lends itself to illegal activities from pirates, storing stolen merchandise, drug importation and that fact is cemented in centuries of past practice. Pirates located their to rob Europeans coming and going, the deserted mines made hiding stolen merchandise easy, Dutch laws made it legal to hold stolen merchandise, location and a free port, those Dutch just like the smugglers angle, continue its location importance for the drug trade as to it banking laws, etc. It is what the Arubans have lived for over 5 centuries, day by day. How are they to view it as illegal or wrong? It isn't there,

What is wrong is trying to turn the place into a tourist attraction. Maybe as a red light district with instead of a dude ranch you live as a drug smuggler, lord, runner for a week, or as a pimp, or as Joran as a walking beach atm.

We are aghast, but for them it is the way life has always been. To each his own, who am I to judge.

But if I was a professional in the tourism industry, I think now is the time to take an honest assessment of the attributes of Aruba, ignoring the fistful of illegal dollars they distract one with, and decide is this where I want to invest my efforts, talent, money, and time or are there better, safer, more realistic islands to practice my trade.

Is it possible that some on Aruba have seized the disappearance of Natalee Holloway to do some cleansing?

Get rid of what some would perceive as the low end hotels by cutting off their flow of tourists?  When the hotels close, take the opportunity to buy up some cheap and desirable beach property?  Buy up and tear down vacant buildings (houses, businesses, etc.) on the rest of the island?  Take control of the business district?

Does the future favor few and wealthier tourists?  Maybe house the employees on the mainland and create a commuter class? 

("...Joran as a walking beach atm..."    that's just such a different visual.)

[carpe noctem]

With all due respect, WG:


Ain't no wealthy tourist in their right minds would spend a dime

in Aruba, after seeing what they did to the Holloway family.

I THINK ARUBA CAN JUST EXPECT FEWER TOURISTS PERIOD.

....AND LESS AND LESS... EACH DAY THEY LET THIS CATASTROPHE DRAG ON.

The employees of Aruba didn't do this, Joran, the two Poes and his pig of a father did.

Dutch elite, and two DO-BOYS.

[klaasend]

Dayhiker:
Carpe, you need to send this idea to Geraldo. He'd do it!!!


---

Consider it sent.


AOL VOICE:  GERALDOOOOO! YOU GOT MAILLLLL!!!

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=193458961&m=6336&vc=1&source=bma&sync=1

[carpe noctem]

Dayhiker:
Carpe, you need to send this idea to Geraldo. He'd do it!!!


---

Consider it sent.


AOL VOICE:  GERALDOOOOO! YOU GOT MAILLLLL!!!

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=193458961&m=6336&vc=1&source=bma&sync=1

 

[texasmom]

Dayhiker:
Carpe, you need to send this idea to Geraldo. He'd do it!!!


---

Consider it sent.


AOL VOICE:  GERALDOOOOO! YOU GOT MAILLLLL!!!

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=193458961&m=6336&vc=1&source=bma&sync=1

[johan555]

Joran van der Sloot: The Slime That Keeps On Oozing

By Patrick Hurley
Feb. 8, 2008
Remember the creature, "The Blob?" Well, he lives in the Netherlands with random trips to Aruba where he revisits his conscience from time to time. Just when there is hope for this mass of pathological deceit to spew out an honest remark he quickly swallows it and sidles back to the swamp where he has his being. Evidently, it is not enough for Joran to keep his mouth shut and be thankful that he got away with murder. He seems compelled to flaunt his arrogance whenever his cretinous soul feels a need to laugh at the Holloway family.

His latest admission was a piece of work as he spun a tale of his amorous adventure with a highly intoxicated Natalee Holloway on the sand only to suddenly find himself confronted with a vulnerable girl who was apparently not exhaling properly. What would most young men do in a situation similar to this one? They would immediately signal for help, of course. But, not the Blob. She was no longer good for kissing so he did what any animal would do, he discarded her after he was finished with her. Never mind that she might still be alive and in need of qualified emergency technicians to resuscitate her. Joran had school the next day. He had a bright future ahead of him. He had a father who was in training to be a judge. He had a mother who thought he was the perfect son. It was time for the Blob to preserve his life at the expense of a helpless young woman and pray he could get away with it. Following the, "Chappaquiddick model" of how to quickly separate oneself from a date gone wrong, Joran used the water to dispose of the body. It worked in 1969 and it worked again off the shores of Aruba. Blobs, evidently, can be cloned...

As soon as he confessed his dirty deed to someone he realized to his horror that he was being taped. As fast and as frequently as a faulty prostate urinates at the thought of water, he immediately denied the truth of what he claimed happened that night and said he was just, "kidding around." Oh? So, the Blob's idea of humor is to make fun of a dead girl? What's next, for you Joran? An appearance on Comedy Central? An HBO Special? I have a better venue for you. How about an Aruban prison? There, you can joke around all you want and be the life of the shower party every time you drop your soap. Wouldn't it be poetic justice for you to experience what it feels like to be violated and treated like a piece of trash in the same way you treated a lovely girl who put herself in your protective custody only to find out much too late that you are as humanely responsible as a shark at the first scent of blood? Oh, I was, "just kidding," Joran. Ha, ha. Are you laughing?

I have questions...

Did you run to the boat with her body and toss her in like a garbage bag that had to be disposed of, Joran? Did you feel a great sense of relief as you dumped Natalee's body overboard and said to your friend, "Let's get the HELL out of here. I have had a terrible night! I have an English test in four hours!" Did you feel guilty when you saw her mom the next night as you snapped at her questions about what happened to her baby as you sarcastically said, "What do you want me to do about your missing daughter?" Did you feel bad that you never spent one minute searching for her along with all the volunteers? Did you feel any remorse about the lies you told implicating the two security guards allowing you to buy ten days of freedom to make up a story and cover your evidence? Does your soul ever feel bad, Joran? Do you even have a soul?

OJ said, "If I Did It," it happened this way. Joran's book title will read,. "If I wasn't Kidding," this is how Natalee Holloway died that night. Too much alcohol. Too much poison. Too much fun. "Poor me, I had to wind up with a girl who 'accidentally' died in my arms."

The truth?

Innocent boys don't dump dying girls in the ocean. There is more to this story than Joran is telling. It is not a crime to help a drunken date survive on a beach. It is a crime if you gave your date a spiked drink or drug to put her in that position. It is a crime if you did something to cause her to stop breathing. It is a crime if you dispose of a body when they are dead or alive without notifying the police. Joran the Blob just could not keep his mouth shut and now all that slime inside of him is coming back to choke him and that future he is so interested in saving. Oozers ooze. They cannot help themselves. Most importantly, they are never interested in helping others. Natalee would be enjoying her college days at the University of Alabama had she never met Joran van der Sloot. The Blob got her.

But now, even his friendly investigators and prosecutors in Aruba and the Netherlands are on to him. They have enough evidence to finally clean up the case that he soiled time and time again. Justice may finally be served here for Natalee Holloway. The Blob may finally get what he deserves.

And you know what?

I am not kidding.

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About the author:  Patrick Hurley has won three Emmy awards for writing, hosting and producing television shows. He resides in Southern California.

Email: coolhumor@sbcglobal.net

[Tamikosmom]

Its almost as if Aruba's tourism was created by a curtain being pulled hiding the fact that Aruba is actually no different than the barbaric South American jungle ruled by ruthless drug lords. It was never safe there, it can't be safe there, and now we know it and can no longer pretend.

And I say that with no malice intended. Geography, the huge profits of the drug industry, the violence and decadence that accompanies that, all make the dreams of the good Croes and impossibility. Aruba's location lends itself to illegal activities from pirates, storing stolen merchandise, drug importation and that fact is cemented in centuries of past practice. Pirates located their to rob Europeans coming and going, the deserted mines made hiding stolen merchandise easy, Dutch laws made it legal to hold stolen merchandise, location and a free port, those Dutch just like the smugglers angle, continue its location importance for the drug trade as to it banking laws, etc. It is what the Arubans have lived for over 5 centuries, day by day. How are they to view it as illegal or wrong? It isn't there,

What is wrong is trying to turn the place into a tourist attraction. Maybe as a red light district with instead of a dude ranch you live as a drug smuggler, lord, runner for a week, or as a pimp, or as Joran as a walking beach atm.

We are aghast, but for them it is the way life has always been. To each his own, who am I to judge.

But if I was a professional in the tourism industry, I think now is the time to take an honest assessment of the attributes of Aruba, ignoring the fistful of illegal dollars they distract one with, and decide is this where I want to invest my efforts, talent, money, and time or are there better, safer, more realistic islands to practice my trade.

Is it possible that some on Aruba have seized the disappearance of Natalee Holloway to do some cleansing?

Get rid of what some would perceive as the low end hotels by cutting off their flow of tourists?  When the hotels close, take the opportunity to buy up some cheap and desirable beach property?  Buy up and tear down vacant buildings (houses, businesses, etc.) on the rest of the island?  Take control of the business district?

Does the future favor few and wealthier tourists?  Maybe house the employees on the mainland and create a commuter class? 

("...Joran as a walking beach atm..."    that's just such a different visual.)

PI ... I hope so.

Janet

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A SAFE ARUBA?

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 9:
In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.


Page 10:
While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist ...

I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.


Page 16
During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s ...

Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.


Joe Tacopina
On the Record with Greta
May 17, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

TACOPINA: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night.  We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.


Chaperone knows tragedy's effects will linger in hearts
Adults on trip stayed visible but Mountain Brook grads were given rein, teacher recalls

Sunday, May 28, 2006
CAROL ROBINSON
News staff writer

There was much talk after Natalee's disappearance that seven chaperones weren't sufficient for 130 graduates. "Most people didn't understand when we went down there, we were mostly there for an emergency, and we held their passports," he said. "It was made apparent they were on their own."

The chaperones, he said, stayed at the Holiday Inn resort the entire trip, leaving only one time for about two hours to go downtown to shop for T-shirts. The adults met with the teens daily around 11:30 a.m., reminding them to be careful.

"We just wanted to be there, be visible at all times," he said.

Plummer said only one incident stood out in his mind, and that was early during their stay. Some of the kids were being too loud in the hotel, so the chaperones told them to take it to the beach.  Another hotel guest sought out (Bob) Plummer and warned him that a man was on the beach trying to sell drugs to the students.

"I just asked him to leave them alone," Plummer said. "He went ballistic and threatened to slash me up."

Plummer called the police, and met with the hotel manager on the day they left to express his concerns about the incident

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114880791244790.xml&coll=2