Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 - 6/30/08

[Dayhiker]

Sorry Monkeys for the rant!!!!

I just get so darned angry and emotional over the way Natalee and her family have been run through the mud!!! Bad enough they took her life, but they just keep repeating the wrongs committed against her day in and day out and THAT in my opinion, is their collective sin!!!

How you can stand up for jorasshole and continue to bash Natalee...and post at a place that allows renho to spew her shit...just...it just unnerves me!!!

That's the crazy thing about it it, they bashed a perfectly fine girl and her family to protect a gay whore! What were they thinking?

[Buckeye]

There's been a lot of comments about Peter R. and his use of Patrick.

One comment (with a very rough translation) sums up the drug issue.

It is very simple.
Patrick was snuivende and dealende criminal, long before Peter R in his life came. Joran even used drugs, xtc, weed / hashish and coke.
So much for Patrick unbelievable? So much for Joran drugs? Joran has found itself. Crime attracts this boy. If Patrick really was, Joran now had participated in a large wiethok, to pletter gesnoven, swallowed and smoked all the easy money what pe luilekkerland Netherlands so easy in the lap was thrown.
Do you now Peter R de Vries go bad considering that a few dashes of Joran has been taken? That ie an advance to weed / coke joint of Patrick in his klauwtjes has been printed? Man man, three-quarters of the Dutch youth snuift, swallows, zuipt and smokes every week-end to pletter. Ga es look at any house party whatsoever. And now would be just this one specific boy gedraait a corner? From Drugs? Uitgelokt maybe? Improperly treated? Yes yes, and you believe that? Joran knew where dondersgoed ie were doing. I would almost say, he seemed geroutineerd in what pe did. Smoking, rotate, smoking, spinning, smoking .... Indeed, he is errug geroutineerd. This has often done meneertje down on holiday island of Aruba. Close to South America. Doorvoerhaven. The coke is cheap, and like drink plenty. It's warm and the beaches white, the tourism wijfies easy ....

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/2008/06/woensdag-25-j-1.html#comments

[private eye]

here you can find some local gays from aruba 
http://www.manhunt.net/

Johaan, I apologize if my gay cracks offend you. Maybe I need to put them in perspective. I have nothing in the world bias wise or other against gays, lesbians, or straights. If it isn't my personal sex, the sex others choose to have have nothing to do with me or my opinion of them. I feel as if sexual preference isn't a choice, though ones environment might influence it. I make my cracks simply to "get Joran's goat" so to speak, and I don't mean to spread any bias, either way, about anyone elses sexuality.

So if I have offended you with my remarks, I apologize. I have a lot of bitter feelings towartds Joran and others involved, and sometimes the bitterness spreads outr inappropriately. I have friends of all persuasions, ethinicities, sexes, nationalities, etc, and I choose them baed upon their souil and spirit and not the make, model, or direction of their engine:)

[Dayhiker]

Hi everyone, sorry to be slightly off topic.  Regarding Daury's surname, I recall when the tapes first came out there was a mention that it was Davids.  It stuck in my mind because I thought it odd to have the 's' at the end.  They ended up bleeping out the surname, but I'm sure I read about it here.  Davens could very well be the correct surname. 

I don't recall "Davids", "Davens", or "Ravens", but I do remember that Dutch viewers to DeVries shows said they could "lip read" the last name they bleeped out.

I wonder if this is the OM's ace in the hole Patrick is talking about. They've got him locked up here and if he wants out he better start talking.

[San]

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 

It's a madam.

[SS]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=224515962

Meet Davin.  He is 32 years old.  He says he's from Amsterdam and currently living in New Zealand.  His site has many familiar Aruban faces including a "very special" friend of JC.

[carpe noctem]

FOR REALLLLLLL, DAYHIKER!!!

10-4, good buddy, come across. (radio static)


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OVERBOARD -Peter Van der eem

Translation of the shoe story:

(...)
I ask him why he got rid off his shoes.: "That only makes things more complicated?"

"But I thought that something like that would make the whole thing more believable. I know, it's stupid, but in the end I did get a kick out of it", Joran clarifies.


SNIP>

shoes cont'd


J. No, but look, that's exactly it. It was just a load of bullshit with the police. That thing had emerged then. I even have put on the same K-Swiss shoes when I was with the police... during the interrogations I put them on the table. And then these were size 14 and I had told them that I have size 12, you know. Exactly the same shoes... extactly the same...I put on the table.




Doesn't that mean he would have had to been
arrested in those exact same shoes?

Or in 'ROOBA, doez they WET MOMMY BRING IN
A WITTLE SUITCASE from home?

[SS]

I just made a thread for Patrick's book report from BFN:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0

Thanks so much, Klaas.   

[SunFreak2]

Ughhhh, the thought of Joran as a gay prostitute and his nudie picture both make me want to hurl.javascript:void(0);
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[Lala'sMom]

Wow!  You guys have been busy....Davin...David...


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

[Lala'sMom]

Posted by Wreck in the previous thread:

I'm VERY serious about this!! It is starting to explain Renfro's involvement. If Joran is indeed a male prostitute -- who is his actual pimp???? Does this person advertize to the locals vis Bon Dia????

BonDia and ArubaToday 

It's a madam.

Lots to "fluffah" and so little time. 

[SS]

I thought I also read that Daury called a 3rd party with a boat from Patricks book..Sure is a different lie then what we all saw from the tapes where it was just Daury and his boat  This is all BS and so is this "Daury"

And according to Shango, the third party award goes to JR, JC, and Davin.   

[WhiskeyGirl]

This photograph was taken at Jimmy's Place

FWIW - those people at Jimmy's Place could be anyone's husband, son, father, brother, cousin, uncle or friend.  I wonder how long their picture archives go?

I remember years ago, some pro-JVDS posters made many obnoxious comments, posts, and innuendo about either Art or Jamie (or both) for being seen in gay hangouts in Aruba and SA.  "Jimmy's" rings a bell for that reason.  This would have been from the old RWV.

I have to wonder if they were tracking down some leads.  I think there are probably many tips that haven't been made public, so I have to wonder anew.

[Observer]

Yup..These many escort services are big business in Aruba..Makes me wonder why Paul Brough gave it all up so abruptly? Many tourist area's around the world have it,heck vegas is known for it. But I am sure we can only imagine what it is like in Aruba with prostitution being legal in San Nicolas,drugs and basicly anything goes.. These escorts probably had VIP passes and credit lines everywhere so they could pick up there guests and entertain them.
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Look at the date here..Why did this poster think this particular escort service was relevent? Clevfan also points him out and says he is in big trouble,this is the same guy who talks about a Reality and knowing Michael Posner well. Remember out of all the days to start archiving Mr.Pink Productions,they started on May 30th 2005..Coincidence?

http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1110&p=9

2005-06-19 1:58 am
CHAPPAQUIDICKINARUBA
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searchedI know this isn't a porn site hcgtv, but I thought this was relevent...

http://www.guide2paradise.com/

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#220 2005-06-19 2:15 am
dori
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searched someone from another blog brought up some interesting info to think about-

This aruban sex site is linked to the paypal account of someone referred to as:

paul_brough@hotmail.com

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clevfan
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 07-03-2005, 03:30 AM
 RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
these are suspect sites:

www.mrpinkproductions.com

www.guide2paradise.com


both are run by a guy orginally from michigan by the name of paul brough. he is good friends with lorenzo van rijn

old sites are: www.getlegalhookers.com and www.metronightlife.com
RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
What is kinda funny about this guy is that he is a guy from the Detroit area who's name is Paul Brough, he winters in Aruba and runs the local "let's go redwings" chapter there.
He has an escort service down in aruba and was stupid enough to have a few websites down there... www.mrpinkproductions.com and www.guide2paridise.com which used to be www.getlegalhookers.com

Now he is in a heap of trouble down there by the authorities due to this case, even if he isn't involved in it, he's is now cooked bigtime, LOL

Mr Pink

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0

[ldstlou]

Sorry Monkeys for the rant!!!!

I just get so darned angry and emotional over the way Natalee and her family have been run through the mud!!! Bad enough they took her life, but they just keep repeating the wrongs committed against her day in and day out and THAT in my opinion, is their collective sin!!!

How you can stand up for jorasshole and continue to bash Natalee...and post at a place that allows renho to spew her shit...just...it just unnerves me!!!

That's the crazy thing about it it, they bashed a perfectly fine girl and her family to protect a gay whore! What were they thinking?

They relate to the scumbag sloots more than Natalee and her family...guess they have the mentality..."Ya gotta stick up for your own".

[johan555]

here you can find some local gays from aruba 
http://www.manhunt.net/

Johaan, I apologize if my gay cracks offend you. Maybe I need to put them in perspective. I have nothing in the world bias wise or other against gays, lesbians, or straights. If it isn't my personal sex, the sex others choose to have have nothing to do with me or my opinion of them. I feel as if sexual preference isn't a choice, though ones environment might influence it. I make my cracks simply to "get Joran's goat" so to speak, and I don't mean to spread any bias, either way, about anyone elses sexuality.

So if I have offended you with my remarks, I apologize. I have a lot of bitter feelings towartds Joran and others involved, and sometimes the bitterness spreads outr inappropriately. I have friends of all persuasions, ethinicities, sexes, nationalities, etc, and I choose them baed upon their souil and spirit and not the make, model, or direction of their engine:)

hai Private eye 
I have nothing  against gays
the question was :Is joran gay or bi ! i think he is

 I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together

and i think you can read that in this statement :

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

[wreck]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/JJHHJJJHJH.png

I KNEW those guys reminded me of someone ---- "Ace" and "Gary"!!!!!!

[carpe noctem]

J. My father knows absolutely nothing. My father has...he knows nothing about this... He doesn't know a thing about the whole event. That's the worst thing of all. That man would die, he wouldn't be able to cope with this. He couldn't even harm a fly. My father is weak.


Notice how he changes up tenses from past to present.

Notice how he stops and starts, stops and starts again.

Notice the repetition of denial.


This kid is so full of sh, he needs to call Scott Petersen to

come start hauling it. The two of them would make a KILLING,

literally.

[Observer]

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[ldstlou]

From FJ on BFN.

I am still not convinced though. Didn't the police say they found one shoe in his closet and that is why they drained the pond??!!!

Wasn't beth told there was blood on the one shoe found in the closet?

Anyone have the archives on what Beth said about the shoe?

fierljepper
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     Re: Overboord by Partick van der Eem
« Reply #29 on: Today at 06:40:03 PM »   

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Attempt to add some logic to the shoe story:

1. Joran walks home and indeed keeps his shoes on.
2. For some reason he invents the "I left my shoes on the beach" story and tells Deepak this in the 2:26 call.
3. He tells Freddy already on Monday afternoon May 30th the HI lie and the shoe story. This is his first test of an alibi.


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Freddy states (p152-154 DZNH, June 12th statement) that on Monday afternoon May 30th (at Freddy's house) Joran told him the "HI drop off" story and on May 31st (at the Racquet club) Joran told him the story that "they" left Natalee at the beach and Joran was dropped off at his house. He then also told Freddy that due to the panic he left his shoes at the beach.


4. Deepak and Joran agree on the HI drop off lie on the early morning of Tue 31st.
5. In the HI lie context the 'shoes on the beach' story suddenly becomes a very risky factor (since they weren't supposed to heave been there). So risky that Deepak almost shots his mouth off:


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Deepak 6/13 PV

"The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation i had with him i had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what i meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that i was thinking about something unrelated/different."

6. When the HI lie gets falsified then Joran is exposed about his shoe story by two witnesses: i.c. Deepak (+Satish second hand) and Freddy. He lies Freddies story to one day later and under the adage 'attack is the best defense' he voluntarily and pro-actively raises the shoe story top the police.

7. So, Joran blufs with the shoes and only throws them away in one of the sewer pipes after he has been released from prison in August.

8. Speculation on the web forums does the rest... 

Any counter arguments?
 
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