Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 - 7/6/08

[Observer]

young of 16 aÑa abusa sexualmente at POS CHIKITO

wednesday, 02 july 2008 oranjestad(aan): one young of 16 year cu owing to leave marduga for of his cas for bay at his grandmother owing to being abusa sexualmente close of pos diminutive. have one investigacion andando the momentonan here door of jeugd provided that zeden politie for so try place hand on the person responsible for her caso here. as cos is bayendo all cos is indica cu 2008 will become uno record for thing is abusonan sexual cometi on we island. kico is pasando is the question cu have. near of one business conoci where have much movecion of adictonan in oranan of marduga is caminda the caso of abuse sexual did take lugar. the boy of 16 year owing to being grab y not can owing to defende his self at hand of the violador sexual here. police owing to being notifica y at once owing to busca contacto cu the departamento concerni cu is on good caminda for cu the investigacion. the young here was have one telephone cellular cune cual also the abusador sexual owing to succeed descend at water cune. eybanda have enough child is actuate bay school y this can is one danger if in the district here have one abusador so is march rond buscando menornan indefenso for viola.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3309/30/

[dennisintn]

The boy is not convicted yet. FEB. 2008 -HANS MOS


Joran is a man now Hans, only in age, not in mental status or penis size.


... but I think AT THIS TIME, you need to start calling that little evil

son of a bitch A MAN. IMHO

 

how about just calling him a male subhuman biped?
dennisintn

[johan555]

young of 16 aÑa abusa sexualmente at POS CHIKITO

wednesday, 02 july 2008 oranjestad(aan): one young of 16 year cu owing to leave marduga for of his cas for bay at his grandmother owing to being abusa sexualmente close of pos diminutive. have one investigacion andando the momentonan here door of jeugd provided that zeden politie for so try place hand on the person responsible for her caso here. as cos is bayendo all cos is indica cu 2008 will become uno record for thing is abusonan sexual cometi on we island. kico is pasando is the question cu have. near of one business conoci where have much movecion of adictonan in oranan of marduga is caminda the caso of abuse sexual did take lugar. the boy of 16 year owing to being grab y not can owing to defende his self at hand of the violador sexual here. police owing to being notifica y at once owing to busca contacto cu the departamento concerni cu is on good caminda for cu the investigacion. the young here was have one telephone cellular cune cual also the abusador sexual owing to succeed descend at water cune. eybanda have enough child is actuate bay school y this can is one danger if in the district here have one abusador so is march rond buscando menornan indefenso for viola.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3309/30/

witch translator is that ******* ?
did you install PS ?

[Observer]

witch translator is that ******* ?
did you install PS ?

http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/

It doesn't work very good and the results aren't much better when I clean it up with a portuguese translator.

Haven't installed PS,but will soon

[caesu]

Still no solution for shore radar
1 Jul, 2008, 17:11 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD – The three countries within the Kingdom have still not reached an agreement on the shore radar system of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba. They have only arranged that a working group chaired by the procurator-general (PG) of our country will come with advise before the Governmental Deliberation Immigration-chain Aruba that takes place in October.

The Coastguard of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba brought a new shore radar system into use recently, which is for the most part financed by the Netherlands. Our country didn’t like this because we have been using our own shore radar for a few years already. Attempts to prevent that two radar systems are simultaneously used, were not successful. Justice-minister Rudy Croes is still of the opinion that the Aruban system works ‘fine’. The people operating this system have gained a lot of experience and the images of this system are being shared with the Coastguard. We can't say the same for Aruba and minister Croes cannot appreciate that. He regrets the fact that there is not enough confidence in our country. Director Rudy Kelly of Iasa, the public service that manages the radar, explains that the Coastguard does not share images with our country, because this way, Aruba will also get to see the location of the ships of the Royal Navy. “It’s unfortunate that the Netherlands doesn’t have enough confidence that Aruba won’t be careful with this information”, said Kelly.

During the tripartite deliberation last week, Iasa has promised not to use the radar for judicial purposes any longer. The working group under chairmanship of the PG and consisting to representatives of the Military Police, Coastguard, and Dutch police must have the advice on ‘a supervisory regime for the use of the Iasa-radar for non-judicial purposes’ ready.

As was already reported yesterday in this paper, this same working group must also come with an approach plan for the conversion of Iasa into immigration police.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44010.php

[Rob]

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Former Colombian Presidential Candidate Betancourt rescued from jungle by commandos along with 14 others. Not sure if the 3 CIA contractors are among the rescued.

[Rob]

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Former Colombian Presidential Candidate Betancourt rescued from jungle by commandos along with 14 others. Not sure if the 3 CIA contractors are among the rescued.

CNN reports there are some American among the rescued.

[Rob]

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Former Colombian Presidential Candidate Betancourt rescued from jungle by commandos along with 14 others. Not sure if the 3 CIA contractors are among the rescued.

CNN reports there are some American among the rescued.

plane has landed and the people rescued will be seeing their first freedom in years. 15 on board.

[bleachedblack]

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Former Colombian Presidential Candidate Betancourt rescued from jungle by commandos along with 14 others. Not sure if the 3 CIA contractors are among the rescued.

[bleachedblack]

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Former Colombian Presidential Candidate Betancourt rescued from jungle by commandos along with 14 others. Not sure if the 3 CIA contractors are among the rescued.

She looks suprisingly well after having been captive for 6 years!

[Observer]

Certainly, if the new witness who now claims to have been raped and possibly drugged by Joran holds up, obviously that would begin an entire new investigation and likely a new arrest, even if there was a ruling to release him in the matter of Natalee Holloway's disappearance. But personally I'm going to wait and see if this witness has a little more credibility than some of the others Jossy Mansur has produced to date. And his claim of there being two unidentified and unidentifiable other girls potential charges against Joran Va der Sloot - girls who can not come forward and he cannot name ... amounts to little more than character assassination until they are produced, or disclosed.

Fox, MSNBC, or whomever is not really doing much for the tradition of good journalism by continuing with some of that charade. Also undisclosed, but apparently true in part - is that the Dutch Government did name two Mansur's as linked to gun and drug smugglers, as well as money laundering activities in a leaked, Top-Secret report - for which Mansur filed a Human Rights complaint.

    2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

    2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

    2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are (sic)Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels. The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

    2.5 Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. It is not clear who leaked the report. An investigation of the leak was carried out by the Dutch Internal Security Service in which it was supposedly found that the leaked photocopy was not made from a copy in the hands of the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs or another Dutch official. The investigation report did not state of which copy the photocopy was made.

Lastly, it is believed that Paulus Van der Sloot participated on a panel which agreed to extradite two relatives of the Mansurs to the US under serious charges some years back. One cannot be fair and balanced without at least mentioning that your primary source of information in this case may well have an agenda against, not only the Dutch in a political sense, but also Paulus Van der Sloot directly.
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Dan Thnks,

I can see taht a lot of work went into this piece, somewhat more than usual.

Very Apreciated.

Joran will be exonerated with time... im sure even u can feel that too.

Posted by: P in SE Asia | Friday, August 26, 2005 at 03:48 PM
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An Aruban reporter leaked information a few weeks ago that the police know from cell phone records that none of the boys returned home until 4am, and that Deepak then left again.

Posted by: DennisAOK | Friday, August 26, 2005 at 09:14 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/just_a_few_item.html

[texasmom]

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Former Colombian Presidential Candidate Betancourt rescued from jungle by commandos along with 14 others. Not sure if the 3 CIA contractors are among the rescued.

CNN reports there are some American among the rescued.

plane has landed and the people rescued will be seeing their first freedom in years. 15 on board.

Great News!  

Thanks Rob! 

[always 1]

O/t the body of Brook Bennet has been found (Vermont) on her uncles place - Channel 6 news  Tulsa Oklahoma

[Tamikosmom]

Certainly, if the new witness who now claims to have been raped and possibly drugged by Joran holds up, obviously that would begin an entire new investigation and likely a new arrest, even if there was a ruling to release him in the matter of Natalee Holloway's disappearance. But personally I'm going to wait and see if this witness has a little more credibility than some of the others Jossy Mansur has produced to date. And his claim of there being two unidentified and unidentifiable other girls potential charges against Joran Va der Sloot - girls who can not come forward and he cannot name ... amounts to little more than character assassination until they are produced, or disclosed.

Fox, MSNBC, or whomever is not really doing much for the tradition of good journalism by continuing with some of that charade. Also undisclosed, but apparently true in part - is that the Dutch Government did name two Mansur's as linked to gun and drug smugglers, as well as money laundering activities in a leaked, Top-Secret report - for which Mansur filed a Human Rights complaint.

    2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

    2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

    2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are (sic)Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels. The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

    2.5 Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. It is not clear who leaked the report. An investigation of the leak was carried out by the Dutch Internal Security Service in which it was supposedly found that the leaked photocopy was not made from a copy in the hands of the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs or another Dutch official. The investigation report did not state of which copy the photocopy was made.

Lastly, it is believed that Paulus Van der Sloot participated on a panel which agreed to extradite two relatives of the Mansurs to the US under serious charges some years back. One cannot be fair and balanced without at least mentioning that your primary source of information in this case may well have an agenda against, not only the Dutch in a political sense, but also Paulus Van der Sloot directly.
--------------------------------------------
Dan Thnks,

I can see taht a lot of work went into this piece, somewhat more than usual.

Very Apreciated.

Joran will be exonerated with time... im sure even u can feel that too.

Posted by: P in SE Asia | Friday, August 26, 2005 at 03:48 PM
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An Aruban reporter leaked information a few weeks ago that the police know from cell phone records that none of the boys returned home until 4am, and that Deepak then left again.

Posted by: DennisAOK | Friday, August 26, 2005 at 09:14 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/just_a_few_item.html

What does the credibility of Jossy Mansur have to do with the witnesses who came forward and ... gave declaractions regarding a sexual assault by Joran.  Beth believe that Dennis Jacobs put pressure on these girls to retract their statements.  It makes perfect sense when you consider that Dennis Jacobs attempt since the getgo to distance Paulus and Joran from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I cannot comprehend why Jossy Mansur is being undermind.

******* ... who is the author of the first paragraph of your post.

Thank you

Janet

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Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006

TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


Beth Twitty
HANNITY & COLMES
April 11, 2006

TWITTY: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer.  I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.

[Observer]

Janet it is Dan Riehl.. I posted it for a few reasons but also because of that Troll P from S.E. Asia who posted about 5 times. I was disgusted with Dan Riehl about a month before this article as he got really weird and partial towards the Joran camp on occasions. They went after Beth and Jossy because they were the most outspoken advocats of Natalee getting Justice. Victims and Witnesses have been scared to come forward with good reason and because Jossy asked them to give statements or got involved,that must mean he fabricated every person who came forward 

Dan is a complete Moron..He talked to a Adult Proffessional who knew Joran and specificly told Dan that Joran raped and drugged other girls in Aruba before NH. It may have been after this article..I forget.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet it is Dan Riehl.. I posted it for a few reasons but also because of that Troll P from S.E. Asia who posted about 5 times. I was disgusted with Dan Riehl about a month before this article as he got really weird and partial towards the Joran camp on occasions. They went after Beth and Jossy because they were the most outspoken advocats of Natalee getting Justice. Victims and Witnesses have been scared to come forward with good reason and because Jossy asked them to give statements or talked about them,that must mean he fabricated every person who came forward 

Dan is a complete Moron..He talked to a Adult Proffessional who knew Joran and specificly told Dan that Joran raped and drugged other girls in Aruba before NH. It may have been after this article..I forget.

IIRC

Dan Riehl was an advocate for Natalee Holloway and her family in the very beginning.  Dan was the first to reveal a photo of Joran van der Sloot.  Apparently ... Joran contacted him and requested the photo be removed from the site and ... Dan and Joran have been "thisclose" ever since.

Have I got it right.

Janet

[Observer]

IIRC

Dan Riehl was an advocate for Natalee Holloway and her family in the very beginning.  Dan was the first to reveal a photo of Joran van der Sloot.  Apparently ... Joran contacted him and requested the photo be removed from the site and ... Dan and Joran have been "thisclose" ever since.

Have I got it right.

Janet

Yes he was a advocate then he just got plain weird. Joran sent him a email asking him to remove his picture on the blog before he was arrested and Dan obliged..As far as I know,he asked Joran some questions and never heard from him again. He talked to melody on the phone a few times and I am confident she trusts him and that was her post on the forum not long ago about Joran.

Dan at first did some great reporting and bragged of his phone bill to prove it. He had many of the same trolls that we have today buzzing in his ears back then who were friends of his on the forum. Long before he came out with the died by orgasm theory where he lost a lot of credibility. Besides becoming very weird he got tired of policing the forum and often he threw temper tantrums,erased posts,picked on good posters and lock the forum. It was the first site I found when researching this case and I stayed there until Joran was released.

[wreck]

IIRC

Dan Riehl was an advocate for Natalee Holloway and her family in the very beginning.  Dan was the first to reveal a photo of Joran van der Sloot.  Apparently ... Joran contacted him and requested the photo be removed from the site and ... Dan and Joran have been "thisclose" ever since.

Have I got it right.

Janet

Yes he was a advocate then he just got plain weird. Joran sent him a email asking him to remove his picture on the blog before he was arrested and Dan obliged..As far as I know,he asked Joran some questions and never heard from him again. He talked to melody on the phone a few times and I am confident she trusts him and that was her post on the forum not long ago about Joran.

Dan at first did some great reporting and bragged of his phone bill to prove it. He had many of the same trolls that we have today buzzing in his ears back then who were friends of his on the forum. Long before he came out with the died by orgasm theory where he lost a lot of credibility. Besides becoming very weird he got tired of policing the forum and often he threw temper tantrums,erased posts,picked on good posters and lock the forum. It was the first site I found when researching this case and I stayed there until Joran was released.

Dan Riehl, plain and simply listened to Julia Renfro and no one else. In fact, I think he had a crush on her ( ). I (along with many others) tried to set him straight. How I didn't get banned is beyond me, because I called him out quite often!

[Observer]

Dan Riehl, plain and simply listened to Julia Renfro and no one else. In fact, I think he had a crush on her ( ). I (along with many others) tried to set him straight. How I didn't get banned is beyond me, because I called him out quite often!

He became friendly with Moonshadow also didnt he? As you know she(Beryl Coder) is the listed owner of FOB2(Private NH Hate Blog) along with Chris Keating. They run this business..

http://moonshadowsandrainforests.com/

[wreck]

Dan Riehl, plain and simply listened to Julia Renfro and no one else. In fact, I think he had a crush on her ( ). I (along with many others) tried to set him straight. How I didn't get banned is beyond me, because I called him out quite often!

He became friendly with Moonshadow also didnt he? As you know she(Beryl Coder) is the listed owner of FOB2(Private Hate Blog) along with Chris Keating. They run this business..

http://moonshadowsandrainforests.com/

Yes, but it was Julia Renfro who was the influence for both Reihl and Moonshadow. Hook, line and sinker. Just curious, but I don't see Moonshadow quoted here much anymore from FOB2. Does she still post much?