Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 - 7/6/08

[Observer]

 SoloFlyer 07-20-2005, 01:39 PM
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The Octopus
If you'd like to call Jethro of the Octopus Aruba his new phone number is reported to be (297) 993-3739
his new website is
http://www.octopusaruba.com/. Odd this one is registered to a Tom Gesterkamp not Jethro Getterskamp. Registered 11-Jul-2005.


His old website was http://www.octopus-aruba.com/ Funny his domain did not expire until 17-Jun 2006 but he put it on HOLD on 18- June-2005.

I did not verify the information myself as I do not live on Aruba. But it was verified by a poster at Dan's blog FWIW.
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Reading Dan Riehl's site several weeks ago, I read about a cruise boat which I thought was the Octupus but evidently was named something else.

Dan said this cruise boat was known for those 'rave' parties { where they play the music very fast with a lot of beats}, and that this boat was suddenly nowhere to be found at the same time Natalee went missing. He thought it could have been off in the Carribean somewhere, and said he wished they could locate the boat and also intimated that if they found the boat they might also find Natalee!

Did anyone else read this? It was about the time that we started really reading Dan's site.

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Could this be the "rave" boat that Tim Miller is aluding to in this LKL interview...seems this boat is "missing"....

KING: Any searches going on, on surrounding islands?

MILLER: You know what, we're interested in a boat that left here and went to Venezuela that we can't locate. So, I'm not going to say that it's not an impossibility and another thing I must say, there are some detectives here that's working this case, private detectives, that maybe Natalee's father doesn't even know. I mean, we've been in contact with a lot of people here. There's a lot of interest here and nobody is forgetting about Natalee. We're coming up with a lot of good information, but were not coming up with Natalee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/lkl.01.html
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07-20-2005, 05:27 PM
Soloflyer:
Strange thing is I emailed this guy this morning and the email was returned
Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message cannot be delivered. This account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].

One more thing, I emailed Island Hopper who has been out of town and just got back. He said that a relative of Jethro, probably a sister named Anna Lisa Gesterkamp works for Aruba Today the newspaper on Aruba that has been very supportive of the Vandersloots and the Aruban Police including the arrests of the security guards early on. Anna Lisa Gesterkamp also had her birthday party last year on the Tattoo Party Boat which Steve Croes worked as the DJ for. It must be a very small island. Island Hopper is too busy to post any information today on the Octopus but promises to post everything he has about the Octopus tomorrow or Friday.
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The Octopus is sailing as usual and has not left the island waters for any period of time during or before Natalee's dissapearance. The website is currently under construction and is changing servers. You can contact them directly at rosalie@witty.com.

Posted by: ArubaFactsOnly | Tuesday, July 05, 2005 at 09:06 PM


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26543

[NM]

Obs and Wreck,
I think he is the x-husband of scubacrap.

I think it was more the the boat that left.  i remember popel in US and aruba posting that they could not find/get in touch with jethro.  And yes he was blonde/blue but old and sickly looking.

I don't recall where the Octopus docked, but would guess at the big hotel area.

[NM]

I think I'll pass on believing that post for ArubaFactsOnly=arubaMisInformationOnly

[2NJSons_Mom]

Obs and Wreck,
I think he is the x-husband of scubacrap.

I think it was more the the boat that left.  i remember popel in US and aruba posting that they could not find/get in touch with jethro.  And yes he was blonde/blue but old and sickly looking.

I don't recall where the Octopus docked, but would guess at the big hotel area.

  Scubacrap......Hi, NM...nice to see you.

[NM]

Great to see you too 2NJ!

[wreck]

Obs and Wreck,
I think he is the x-husband of scubacrap.

I think it was more the the boat that left.  i remember popel in US and aruba posting that they could not find/get in touch with jethro.  And yes he was blonde/blue but old and sickly looking.

I don't recall where the Octopus docked, but would guess at the big hotel area.

  Scubacrap......Hi, NM...nice to see you.

"Jethro" was supposedly like a "cult figure" on Aruba -- the tourists all seemed to have had a "cruise" with this guy. Famous for his rum drinks or something!

[Observer]

I think I'll pass on believing that post for ArubaFactsOnly=arubaMisInformationOnly

Yeh I threw that in there from RWV 

I remember Dan and his late night posts which he erased,looking at the site now there is much missing.MO..One night he told us when Deepak was first questioned he had a receipt or info/adress and number about a ship out of Miami. I forget which one..

[NM]

actually, I misspelled then corrected scubacrap's name as scabacrap and almost fixed it to scabbiecrap  but wasn't sure anyone would know who I meant.  scabbiecrap is much more fitter for her.

[klaasend]

actually, I misspelled then corrected scubacrap's name as scabacrap and almost fixed it to scabbiecrap  but wasn't sure anyone would know who I meant.  scabbiecrap is much more fitter for her.

 

[wreck]

actually, I misspelled then corrected scubacrap's name as scabacrap and almost fixed it to scabbiecrap  but wasn't sure anyone would know who I meant.  scabbiecrap is much more fitter for her.

 

I enjoyed grilling "scrabbieclap" myself. I called her out several times as well!

[Observer]

actually, I misspelled then corrected scubacrap's name as scabacrap and almost fixed it to scabbiecrap  but wasn't sure anyone would know who I meant.  scabbiecrap is much more fitter for her.

She must have had her reasons for posting on the internet and also for buying the Gottenbo's boat. Maybe they were in a hurry to leave so she got it cheap? She did have one very curious post.....

Has his own boat, I had mentioned him previously.
But, they did bring him in twice, searched his boat, his house, his car and no forensics.
This is a little more complicated than I can fully explain here, let's just say it has always bothered me why they didn't question him like they questioned Joran, and leave it at that for the moment, OK?
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 16, 2005 10:07:43 PM

[Sam]

Lie right her....hesitated regarding sail....makes no sense. No a sail boat IMO

J: Yeah, he’s got his own sail…licence…thing.
P: Sailevidence, yeah. That boy knows what he’s doing then, yeah. Has he made her heavier to make her sink?

It reads like that hesitation moment was something he let slip out, and wanted to
reel back in.

WHO HAS A SAIL LICENSE?

Joran said on P & W he said something he shouldn't have... he's probably

right about that on many levels.

We just have to ferret it out!

I tried a few combinations of words - Daury + Atrako, Davin + Atrako, etc... to see if there was something archived somewhere and didn't really find anything.

A documented robbery is probably easier to find than his sailing license.

sorry pages behind and possible total out of the loop but

What about that guy Jethro Gesterkamp with the sailboat Octopus.
I don't remember if it was fact or rumor that he left the day after Natalee was taken.
I don't for a minute discount pvds as responsible as jurin , but maybe they involved him and/or maybe that is the person Patrick talks about. Jethro is dutch and I don't think he was "interviewed" by the ale.

Atrako...Jethro?

He's the blonde guy right? I have seen him around and I believe he is Scubajaps husband or something like that. I think the rumors were the Octopuss dissapeared after Natalee.



Octopus Sailing Charters - Aruba
LesMes -

Captain Jethro Gesterkamp and his First Mate Jeff have been initiating delighted visitors to snorkeling and the relaxation of multi-hull sailing for over 25 years, the last 18 with Jethro's 40 ft trimaran sailboat, The Octopus. ... sailing a charterboat in Aruba can surpass Jethro's record. Conveniently located on the beach between the Holiday Inn and the Playa Linda Beach Resort, The Octopus ...www.octopus-aruba.com/index.html

I probably should not bother with this because I do not have a link but I swear in the early days while reading at RWV there was a post or maybe it was an email sent to Dan about the Octopus and this couple claimed to be on this cruise with some of the Mountain Brook Students , One of which was Natalee and they were very surprised to see her again that night dancing at C and Cs.They also talked about what  great host Jethro and Jeff were. Then somewhere I read the Octopus left the next day after Nats disappearance for a 2 week planned trip . Later reading it was all denied about Natalee or any of the MB students ever being on the Octopus. So was this just more mis info in the beginning?

[Observer]

In this trip report the tourist caught a taxi to the HI and from there to the Octopuss.

(Snip of very long post)
Monday, July 23, 2007 – Captain Jethro & The Open Seas

After getting organized we grabbed a taxi to the Holiday Inn in the high-rise section of the island… destination, Octopus Sailing! Arriving about an hour early, we used the extra time to explore the high-rise section of the island as well as the inside of the Holiday Inn (which had its own mall and casino – according to my mother, the very casino that she played at with my father those merry days in the seventies). The area around the hotel was much more crowded than anywhere we had been on the island and the beaches were much smaller; jam-packed with families, umbrellas and lounge chairs.

Making our way back to the launch site for our sailing and snorkeling extravaganza we were greeted by a sun-bleached, tanned and baked man – tall with long blond hair and gangly teeth. Introduced as Captain Jethro Gesterkamp, he explained that we had to take a smaller boat, six passengers at a time, out to the forty-foot trimaran sailboat that was awaiting us in the water. Since there were only about twenty of us sailors we were quickly "all aboard." The sailboat had seats all around the base of the boat as well as two long lounge seats on the top (one of which Anthony and I got to sit on). Across from us on the apex of the craft were two curvaceous and talkative girls from New Mexico. The rest of the seafarers seemed to all know each other and were all of the southern persuasion (boisterous with roaring accents and flippant attitudes!) With everyone seated, Captain Jethro Gesterkamp introduced his crew: Jeff and Josh, and told us that we would be sailing to Calcutta, near the California Lighthouse, an area that was excellent for snorkeling.

Upon leaving the dealership we took a taxi to El Gaucho – the island's five star steakhouse – but finding ourselves there two hours before our eight p.m. reservations, we decided to walk around Oranjestad and try and get some more gifts. Some of the streets in Oranjestad were pretty sketchy and I couldn't help but feel a little uncomfortable – perhaps it was the dress I was wearing, but after being eyed up by every male that passed by, including two police officers, and even a couple of ladies, I was ready to get off the streets.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=31222825&blogID=298137312

[NM]

Wreck, so you were the one that put those nice grille marks on her!

Obs, maybe they didn't Interrogate lvr like they did jurin is 1.)they never really interrogated jurin and the big one 2.)jurin was the last person with Natalee.

Hey Klaas, thanks for all the news updates on Brooke Bennett. Very sad and upsetting.

[klaasend]

SoloFlyer 07-20-2005, 01:39 PM
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The Octopus
If you'd like to call Jethro of the Octopus Aruba his new phone number is reported to be (297) 993-3739
his new website is
http://www.octopusaruba.com/. Odd this one is registered to a Tom Gesterkamp not Jethro Getterskamp. Registered 11-Jul-2005.


His old website was http://www.octopus-aruba.com/ Funny his domain did not expire until 17-Jun 2006 but he put it on HOLD on 18- June-2005.

I did not verify the information myself as I do not live on Aruba. But it was verified by a poster at Dan's blog FWIW.
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candi  scandi is offline
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Reading Dan Riehl's site several weeks ago, I read about a cruise boat which I thought was the Octupus but evidently was named something else.

Dan said this cruise boat was known for those 'rave' parties { where they play the music very fast with a lot of beats}, and that this boat was suddenly nowhere to be found at the same time Natalee went missing. He thought it could have been off in the Carribean somewhere, and said he wished they could locate the boat and also intimated that if they found the boat they might also find Natalee!

Did anyone else read this? It was about the time that we started really reading Dan's site.

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Could this be the "rave" boat that Tim Miller is aluding to in this LKL interview...seems this boat is "missing"....

KING: Any searches going on, on surrounding islands?

MILLER: You know what, we're interested in a boat that left here and went to Venezuela that we can't locate. So, I'm not going to say that it's not an impossibility and another thing I must say, there are some detectives here that's working this case, private detectives, that maybe Natalee's father doesn't even know. I mean, we've been in contact with a lot of people here. There's a lot of interest here and nobody is forgetting about Natalee. We're coming up with a lot of good information, but were not coming up with Natalee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/lkl.01.html
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07-20-2005, 05:27 PM
Soloflyer:
Strange thing is I emailed this guy this morning and the email was returned
Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message cannot be delivered. This account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].

One more thing, I emailed Island Hopper who has been out of town and just got back. He said that a relative of Jethro, probably a sister named Anna Lisa Gesterkamp works for Aruba Today the newspaper on Aruba that has been very supportive of the Vandersloots and the Aruban Police including the arrests of the security guards early on. Anna Lisa Gesterkamp also had her birthday party last year on the Tattoo Party Boat which Steve Croes worked as the DJ for. It must be a very small island. Island Hopper is too busy to post any information today on the Octopus but promises to post everything he has about the Octopus tomorrow or Friday.
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The Octopus is sailing as usual and has not left the island waters for any period of time during or before Natalee's dissapearance. The website is currently under construction and is changing servers. You can contact them directly at rosalie@witty.com.

Posted by: ArubaFactsOnly | Tuesday, July 05, 2005 at 09:06 PM


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26543

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 8 NOVEMBER 1994 under serial number 17922.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
OCTOPUS 
 
Business address BORONCANA 12, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  OCTOPUS 
Date of commencement  16 AUGUST 1994 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
GESTERKAMP, TOM ADRIAAN; 
Residing in  BORANCANA 12, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, DEN HAAG on 23 SEPTEMBER 1957 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  8 NOVEMBER 1994  
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
TO OPERATE A WATERSPORT COMPANY. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

[klaasend]

Wreck, so you were the one that put those nice grille marks on her!

Obs, maybe they didn't Interrogate lvr like they did jurin is 1.)they never really interrogated jurin and the big one 2.)jurin was the last person with Natalee.

Hey Klaas, thanks for all the news updates on Brooke Bennett. Very sad and upsetting.

Hi NM - great to see you.  Yes, very upsetting the Brooke Bennett case.  I have a feeling that we are seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to sickening activities with those involved.

[NM]

I probably should not bother with this because I do not have a link but I swear in the early days while reading at RWV there was a post or maybe it was an email sent to Dan about the Octopus and this couple claimed to be on this cruise with some of the Mountain Brook Students , One of which was Natalee and they were very surprised to see her again that night dancing at C and Cs.They also talked about what  great host Jethro and Jeff were. Then somewhere I read the Octopus left the next day after Nats disappearance for a 2 week planned trip . Later reading it was all denied about Natalee or any of the MB students ever being on the Octopus. So was this just more mis info in the beginning?

Sam, I remember it exactly the same way. That couple went to C&C and were astonished that the girl (Natalee) they saw scuba diving was still energetic at night.  I always thought it pretty amazing/convenient that they were so observant of so many of Natalee's actions, but then again Natalee had a captivating personality.

[NM]

I think I'll pass on believing that post for ArubaFactsOnly=arubaMisInformationOnly

Yeh I threw that in there from RWV 

I remember Dan and his late night posts which he erased,looking at the site now there is much missing.MO..One night he told us when Deepak was first questioned he had a receipt or info/adress and number about a ship out of Miami. I forget which one..

I can only hope Dan kept all posts he deleted. What a shame he got involved at all.  I don't remember the ship info in dk pocket but I remember a piece of paper with the name Steve on it.

Klaas, get to see you too.  I hope that the entire group of pervs and all other groups of pervs are caught and proscecuted and many can benifit from the loss of Brooke.

[Observer]

I think I'll pass on believing that post for ArubaFactsOnly=arubaMisInformationOnly

Yeh I threw that in there from RWV 

I remember Dan and his late night posts which he erased,looking at the site now there is much missing.MO..One night he told us when Deepak was first questioned he had a receipt or info/adress and number about a ship out of Miami. I forget which one..

I can only hope Dan kept all posts he deleted. What a shame he got involved at all.  I don't remember the ship info in dk pocket but I remember a piece of paper with the name Steve on it.

Klaas, get to see you too.  I hope that the entire group of pervs and all other groups of pervs are caught and proscecuted and many can benifit from the loss of Brooke.

RU backed up a few pages that were deleted but i fear he deleted quite a bit. He really started going berzerk when Red went to Aruba and he saw the paypal at SM. Then he wrote a couple of articles at court tv and bragged how well it paid..lol

[SS]

is this that John (left)?
"LEAIRRI"

Man
35 jaar oud
Oranjestad, AW
Aruba




 John Chemaly :Gegevens 
Status: Single
Hier voor: Netwerken, Vrienden
Woonplaats: Aruba / Miami, Florida
Lichaamsbouw: 182cm / Atletisch gebouwd
Etnische achtergrond: Blank
Sterrenbeeld: Kreeft
Roken / drinken: Nee / Ja
Kinderen: Ooit
Opleiding: WO
Beroep: Self employed
 

Yes Johan, this is John Chemaly, Jr.  The shorter person next to him is Jonathan.  Jonathan appears to be a "special friend".  There are pictures of them in Paris together.  Jonathan says he is from Holland, but he has friends from Aruba. One of Jonathan's friends is a very strange looking fellow named Davin.  Davin has recently moved from Holland to New Zealand.  Patrick mentioned that he tried to meet with Davin, but he had left the country.  As far as I can determine, Davin went to New Zealand around Christmas time or before.