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« Reply #480 on: July 04, 2008, 05:42:51 PM »

Great to see you Red!  Your words are so true.  I wouldn't want to live in any other country in the world!  I hope you and Mrs. Red have a great holiday weekend!

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« Reply #481 on: July 04, 2008, 05:45:45 PM »

 



A JUDGE FOUND SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE ON THE SECURITY GUARDS
, MY BIG TOE!

ONE OF THEM WAS SICK HOME WATCHING TV WITH HIS WIFE!
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« Reply #482 on: July 04, 2008, 05:46:36 PM »

Great to see you Red!  Your words are so true.  I wouldn't want to live in any other country in the world!  I hope you and Mrs. Red have a great holiday weekend!

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We have Amsterdam,cheese ,windmills and wooden shoes !!
 


And we have 1 Problem that is


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« Reply #483 on: July 04, 2008, 05:48:51 PM »


From Dave's Book - ARUBA

When the prime minister arrived back in Aruba from Fort Lauderdale approximately ten days after Natalee disappeared, his island was inundated with international press members, and he decided that he needed to take action.  He must have felt that a meeting with the families would send a clear message that the government was concerned about Natalee.  He had previously met with Beth and her family, and it was time to meet with my side.  He came to the Holiday Inn with his bodyguard, but the bodyguard did not come into the meeting room—a good faith gesture that this meeting would be private and friendly.  His opening remarks were those of a concerned man.  He told us that he had a son who was in college, and he expressed his sympathy about Natalee.  But then he proceeded to tell us how many hotels he had built and how many other ongoing projects he had.  In fact, he said he had a $90 million project currently in the works.  He continued rambling, and the family’s mood quickly changed, as we were not interested in hearing this kind of self-adulation.  We were only concerned about the investigation.  I interjected, “Could I have the floor, and can I ask you three simple questions?”  The room grew quiet and all eyes were on me.  I began my inquiry:
   
“What is the legal age of gambling?”
   “18.”
   “What is the legal age of alcohol consumption?”
   “18.”
   “What is the legal age of driving?”
   “18.”

He asked why I wanted to know.  I said, “In my country, a judge interprets the law and renders justice based on the crime.  He also has the responsibility to project an image to the public that would represent trust, honesty, and integrity.  Paulus van der Sloot’s son Joran is only seventeen.  How can a man training to be a judge sit at a poker table with his son and allow him to gamble, go the Carlos’n Charlie’s and order drinks, and even drive?  What kind of image does this project upon the average person in Aruba?  Ordinary people are fined and sent to prison, but does it apply to Paulus van der Sloot and his son?  Are they above the law?”
The prime minister responded, “Nobody here is above the law, and van der Sloot will not be a judge.”   Apparently Paulus had failed the test required to become a judge on the island.  The prime minister added that he had been trying to close Carlos’n Charlie’s for some time.  I told him I would quote him and hold him to his word that “No one is above the law.”

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On June 23, 2005, two weeks to the day after Joran was arrested, his father, Paulus, was also taken into custody.  It was rumored that when the police arrived at the van der Sloot home to arrest Paulus, Anita immediately called Police Chief van der Stratten, who had been under pressure to make an arrest.  There was supposedly a problem during the arrest, because Paulus refused to get into the police car.  He insisted upon driving himself and that is exactly what he did.  A police escort accompanied him to headquarters.  I cannot even begin to imagine anyone in the United States, especially an attorney, refusing to go with the police during an arrest and getting away with it.  It is not as though Paulus had arranged to surrender himself to the police.

According to an announcement by the prosecutor, Karin Janssen, Paulus was being held on “suspicion of complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.”
  Apparently, he had made statements to the press that conflicted with those he had given when questioned by police.  Additionally, there was talk on the island that Paulus had picked his son up early in the morning after Natalee disappeared and knew more than he had admitted.  We were pleased with the older van der Sloot’s arrest.

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Our hopes were soon dashed.  Two days after his arrest, Paulus van der Sloot was released, as was Steve Croes.  Paulus headed for his own car outside of the jail; another indication that he did, in fact, drive there himself.

ABOVE THE LAW????? 

And what did Odobur say "no one is above the law".  He was telling everyone right there that Paulus was above the law.
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« Reply #484 on: July 04, 2008, 05:51:38 PM »

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« Reply #485 on: July 04, 2008, 05:52:42 PM »





A JUDGE FOUND SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE ON THE SECURITY GUARDS
, MY BIG TOE!

ONE OF THEM WAS SICK HOME WATCHING TV WITH HIS WIFE!

Judge Bob wit ?

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« Reply #486 on: July 04, 2008, 05:58:50 PM »

They (Karin Janssen ,Bob Witt etc.) gave the fam vd Sloot  9 days to destroy all the evidence!!!
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« Reply #487 on: July 04, 2008, 05:59:42 PM »

Great to see you Red!  Your words are so true.  I wouldn't want to live in any other country in the world!  I hope you and Mrs. Red have a great holiday weekend!

TM

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We have Amsterdam,cheese ,windmills and wooden shoes !!

And we have 1 Problem that is



Thank you very much for the invitation Johan!  I would actually love to visit your country one day....but....yes....there is that "problem" that needs resolution.  Hopefully one day soon that problem will be taken care of.  
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #488 on: July 04, 2008, 06:00:42 PM »

Hi there Johan,

I am not sure about that one, (BOB WITT) another Monkey would have
to answer that one for you, I don't know...

Mainly I don't know... because they never announce it...

Everything is behind curtains...

You have to investigate it yourself.

That is what the poor Holloway family has had to do from DAY 1.
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« Reply #489 on: July 04, 2008, 06:03:59 PM »

They (Karin Janssen ,Bob Witt etc.) gave the fam vd Sloot  9 days to destroy all the evidence!!!


That is sure what it looks like, huh?

I simply DO NOT KNOW how they live with themselves!
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« Reply #490 on: July 04, 2008, 06:09:37 PM »





A JUDGE FOUND SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE ON THE SECURITY GUARDS
, MY BIG TOE!

ONE OF THEM WAS SICK HOME WATCHING TV WITH HIS WIFE!

Judge Bob wit ?


Johan, I believe it was actually this judge John S. Kuiperdal
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #491 on: July 04, 2008, 06:13:49 PM »

 

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« Reply #492 on: July 04, 2008, 06:19:42 PM »

Yes, Johan....it was Kuiperdal

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/08/national/main700290.shtml

Judge Keeps Aruba Suspects In Jail
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 8, 2005
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(CBS/AP) An Aruban judge ruled Wednesday there was sufficient cause to continue holding two former hotel security guards arrested earlier this week in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama honors student.
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal decided that authorities may hold suspects Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, while prosecutors investigate them on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, said their respective court-appointed defense lawyers, Noraina Pietersz and Chris Lejuez. Capital kidnapping is a charge brought when an abduction victim is killed. The two suspects have not been formally charged.
Attorney General Caren Janssen confirmed the judge's decision in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
"They are accused of, first of all, murder. Conspiracy to commit murder homicide, conspiracy to commit homicide and capital kidnapping," Lejeuz said Wednesday on CBS News' The Early Show.
Both suspects, whom he initially represented, told Lejeuz "they've never seen Natalee Holloway, and they've never spoken to Natalee Holloway," he told co-anchor Hannah Storm.
The suspects were first identified publicly Wednesday by friends and relatives. Pietersz and Lejuez confirmed their identities following the judge's closed-door hearing, which took place at a police station where the men are jailed, outside the capital of Oranjestad.
The former security guards worked for a hotel two blocks from the Holiday Inn where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway had been staying. Their work contracts had expired on May 29, one day before Holloway disappeared, said authorities close to the case who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Investigators have not found any solid proof of Holloway's death, however, despite extensive land and water searches, which continued Wednesday. Holloway's parents were holding out hope that she was still alive.
The parents said they had not received any request for ransom or any other evidence that she had been kidnapped or murdered.
"As far as I know, there's no evidence of that, so that gives me hope that Natalee is still alive," stepfather Jug Holloway told Early Show co-anchor René Syler. "That's what we're here to do, is find Natalee."
Judge Kuiperdal will review the former security guards' case again next Wednesday and every eight days after that until there is a final resolution, the defense lawyers said. Aruban law allows authorities to hold the two suspects, who were arrested Sunday, for a total of 116 days without filing formal charges.
In an interview following the hearing, Pietersz said the prosecutors had asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until next Wednesday, when they hope to conclude their investigation.
Under Aruban law, only serious suspicions from investigators — not solid evidence — are needed for a judge to rule that the suspects can continue to be held, Pietersz said.
"I do believe my client is innocent, that's all I can tell you," she added.
Lejuez asserted earlier Wednesday that there is "no evidence whatsoever" to indicate the suspects had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance. At least one of the two men had a reputation of trying to pick up women at tourist hotels on the Dutch Caribbean island, police said. But both men insist they never met Holloway, Lejuez said.
Jones' common-law wife, Cynthia De Graaf, said she and her husband were together continuously both on May 29 and May 30.
"He was home. He was even sick," De Graaf said, breaking down in tears as she waited for the hearing to start. "They ruined everything. My daughter has been asking for her father."
Jones' mother, Cynthia Rosalie Jones, 64, added that the only way her son knew about Holloway was from seeing the news on television.
"They have my son there for something he knows nothing about," Jones said emphatically. "My son is innocent."

Police last week questioned and then released three men whom they referred to as "persons of interest." The three told police they took Holloway to a beach and then dropped her off at her hotel the night she vanished.
"Those guys saw her last," said 33-year-old Alvin Cornett, a man who identified himself as a friend of Jones. He added that the case against the former security guards "is like a frame."

"Those other three guys are rich."
Jones and John "are just regular guys," Cornett said.
Holloway vanished while on a five-day trip with more than 100 classmates celebrating their high school graduation. Seven chaperones accompanied them.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #493 on: July 04, 2008, 06:20:17 PM »

HAPPY FOURTH ALL

- Blonde asked for a map in the S & S - who has Freddy's address? or a blow up of the location in close reference to the Sloot house of horrors.

- Carpe I'm back to the body will never be found until the Aruban Authorities give Natalee back. It's all so overwhelming when you consider it all. Even Beth seem to indicate this was possible. I'm not sure what she meant exactly - but she said something to the effect - they could make that happen or possible. ~ not verbatim. Just tryin' to keep it real Pharrel!

- Johan the traffic light is at the intersection of LG Smith Blvd and West Straat. You're #2 was the correct location.

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« Reply #494 on: July 04, 2008, 06:27:32 PM »

Hi, Rob I hope youre having a good holiday.  Do you have the map available to show where the shoes, mattress, hair etc were found?
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« Reply #495 on: July 04, 2008, 06:30:06 PM »





  "Joran is a..... LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE"
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« Reply #496 on: July 04, 2008, 06:30:14 PM »

Johan - an oldee but a goodee! or not!



Hi Always 1 - I don't have a total overall map - but I can make one easily. I hope you had a great holiday also. Lots of bad weather here for about a month. Oh well no worries!!
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« Reply #497 on: July 04, 2008, 06:31:26 PM »

Hey, I have an idea...

Where's Des? Des, we need to raise that big hairy cooter Karin Jaansen

on the line, and see if she can reverse that TACTICAL MANEUVER that

she had no business WHATSOEVER in doing of saying that the SECURITY

GUARDS had actual EVIDENCE on them of Natalee's KIDNAPPING & MURDER.

Of course, even a brain dead effing NEWT knows that she was as full of

chit as a Christmas Goose. Howza 'bout Karin, you dilapidated old

lying wheeze bag? Does that sound REASONABLE to you???


Hey Peter R. De Vries, can you work that one into your next broadcast

that focuses on the real A$$HOLE in this whole charade, a one Mr. Paulus

I have no balls / no crime Van der sloot?
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« Reply #498 on: July 04, 2008, 06:34:18 PM »

HAPPY FOURTH ALL

- Blonde asked for a map in the S & S - who has Freddy's address? or a blow up of the location in close reference to the Sloot house of horrors.

- Carpe I'm back to the body will never be found until the Aruban Authorities give Natalee back. It's all so overwhelming when you consider it all. Even Beth seem to indicate this was possible. I'm not sure what she meant exactly - but she said something to the effect - they could make that happen or possible. ~ not verbatim. Just tryin' to keep it real Pharrel!

- Johan the traffic light is at the intersection of LG Smith Blvd and West Straat. You're #2 was the correct location.




...and a HAPPY 4TH to you as well, Rob!!!
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« Reply #499 on: July 04, 2008, 06:37:50 PM »

Rob, I was asking cause ******* posted a picture of a pile of shoes on the beach earlier today.
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