Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 - 7/6/08

[Maggie]

Could it be that they are both? Could they be brothers and also uncle/nephew?

[Lala'sMom]

Thought I would share part of an email I received concerning the Croes family. Still trying to work the details of this relation thing out, but I am leaning to Betico, Rudy, and Hendrick as being brothers.  But I could be wrong...sometimes...not often...but still. 

As for Rudy and Steve being closely related, well, I don't think they are. They are both from different districts, and Rudy Croes's family especially stick in their district like glue. Furthermore, they don't have the same coloring, and Rudy Croes's coloring is very dominant in their family. See his brother Betico, and his nephew Hildward.

[Lala'sMom]

Could it be that they are both? Could they be brothers and also uncle/nephew?

Since it is Aruba....I would say absolutely a possibility.  That was the reason I asked.  Caps usually gives us pretty good info and maybe the Croes family wants us to be confused on this issue for a reason. Would not surprise me at all.

[BTgirl]

I know everyone is busy right now...fighting and all..but would someone please help me out here.  Caps has told me that Hendrick and Rudy are not brothers.  He has also told me that Rudy is Betico's nephew.  If we could just nail this small point down I think it would go a long way to explaining the Steve Croes/Simian/Merian connections. Those of us in the Shango forum have been around in circles with this for some time...now I need more imput.  Please and TIA.

Lala's - I just put this together.





YES ROB

They sure look alike. Must be the family goat genes.

I understood they were brothers. But, Caps would know better than anyone. Maybe they are not brothers.

I hope this comparison doesn't hurt the feelings of those cute donkeys. 

[San]

Things are usually black and white to me.  Either I believe the person or I don't.  That's how I am when I view things.  I feel the same way as ******* does about Patrick.  There are people who don't.  We all have different thoughts about the subject.

This has gone on since yesterday and I'm tired of reading about it and I don't want to see fighting.  I say let's move on a drop the subject.

That's your right...and nothing wrong with that at all.

It's easy for you to say drop the subject though...you're not the one that's been called a stupid, crazy, lying wheasel for no reason by a mod.

It is not easy for me to say drop the subject.  I said it after you defended yourself in a post. I'm tired of reading about this drama between you and *******.

[Lala'sMom]

What if those donkeys aren't even related?  Maybe they are just best friends?  LOL  How can you tell?  We will need DOB and a DL number to make a positive ID. 

[texasmom]

I know everyone is busy right now...fighting and all..but would someone please help me out here.  Caps has told me that Hendrick and Rudy are not brothers.  He has also told me that Rudy is Betico's nephew.  If we could just nail this small point down I think it would go a long way to explaining the Steve Croes/Simian/Merian connections. Those of us in the Shango forum have been around in circles with this for some time...now I need more imput.  Please and TIA.

Lala's - I just put this together.



They sure look alike. Must be the family goat genes.

I understood they were brothers. But, Caps would know better than anyone. Maybe they are not brothers.

Good morning everyone,

No wonder Rudy wears that ridiculous beard.  It didn't look so funny on Betico, kinda suits him. 
If Rudy also wore glasses, maybe I wouldn't be reminded of "Planet of the Apes" every time I look at him.

  I'm so glad I'm not the only one!  Klaas even posted an image once when I remarked about it! 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thanks to Vms…posted in Shango…not sure if I can copy!  No!..LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg396631#new


« Reply #749 on: Today at 10:28:19 AM »

FRANK CROES ELECTRO/AUTO PARTS & HARDWARE http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19631

   

OK...now we are getting somewhere I think.So Frank is daddy Croes and rudy,hendrick and whoever are brothers.

[Lala'sMom]

MumInOhio

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4
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Thanks…vms and beachwego...This is why I thought they were brothers…the dates of birth…there would have to be a much older brother for Rudy to be Betico’s nephew, I think!!!

Betico Croes

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Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes


Betico Croes
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Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

The accident he suffered was questioned by many for years since a car was seen leaving the area after the accident. This conspiracy theory was never proven.

He was the leader of the political party M.E.P. (Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo) and was the person responsible for the Seal, Flag and Hymn of the island of Aruba. The hymn was co-written by renowned Padu Del Caribe (Padu Lampe), and Rufo Wever who also composed the anthem.

In the 1980s he also said that Aruba should target the tourism in order the diversify the economy since it depended mainly on the refinery.

He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert and Junior Croes and 2 daughters Lalo Saladin-Croes and Guisette Croes.

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks to Vms…posted in Shango…not sure if I can copy!  No!..LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg396631#new


« Reply #749 on: Today at 10:28:19 AM »

FRANK CROES ELECTRO/AUTO PARTS & HARDWARE http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19631

   

OK...now we are getting somewhere I think.So Frank is daddy Croes and rudy,hendrick and whoever are brothers.

I was trying to copy that over here so everyone could see it, but I still don't screen capture very well.  Maybe someone else could do it.  Sometimes we just pass the links by and there is some interesting info in that one. 

[Helen Back]

Good morning everyone,

No wonder Rudy wears that ridiculous beard.  It didn't look so funny on Betico, kinda suits him. 
If Rudy also wore glasses, maybe I wouldn't be reminded of "Planet of the Apes" every time I look at him.

Helen, does this help?


 

Thanks, Rob.  Actually, It does help!   

Maybe Rudy's "Stylist" can get him some glasses from the "Ronchy"  boutique.

 

[caesu]

this hit-and-run of Hendrik Croes was reported in Dutch newspapers.
there was said that Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
also in the Aruban papers.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/article514116.ece/Oud-minister_Aruba_vast_om_aanrijden_agent?service=Print

but i am still unsure about when Hendrik was exactly justice minister.
at least from 1989. but i don't know when Rudy took over from him. in 2005? i doubt that now.
but in more other articles i read that Rudy was already justice minister before 2004, already in 1993 even.

Rudy's initials are H. R. (Hyacinto Rudolf or Rudolfus).
and Hendrik's are H. S.

here my earlier research on Hendrik:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

and on Rudy:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367223#msg367223


here article about the Croes family:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

also mentioned is Glenbert Croes, a son of Betico.
he started his own party. let to a family feud. a fight for Betico's legacy.

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
What was it you told me recently about Lalo Saladin Croes?  Did it relate to Steve and Freddy?  I think it was you or maybe one of our other brilliant monkey thinkers.

[San]

This is the only info I could find on Betico Croes.

[San]

I think he is going to breakout into his own rendition of "Don't cry for me Argentina" 

[Kermit]

Thought I would share part of an email I received concerning the Croes family. Still trying to work the details of this relation thing out, but I am leaning to Betico, Rudy, and Hendrick as being brothers.  But I could be wrong...sometimes...not often...but still. 

As for Rudy and Steve being closely related, well, I don't think they are. They are both from different districts, and Rudy Croes's family especially stick in their district like glue. Furthermore, they don't have the same coloring, and Rudy Croes's coloring is very dominant in their family. See his brother Betico, and his nephew Hildward.

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba


The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another
brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

[Lala'sMom]

this hit-and-run of Hendrik Croes was reported in Dutch newspapers.
there was said that Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
also in the Aruban papers.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/article514116.ece/Oud-minister_Aruba_vast_om_aanrijden_agent?service=Print

but i am still unsure about when Hendrik was exactly justice minister.
at least from 1989. but i don't know when Rudy took over from him. in 2005? i doubt that now.
but in more other articles i read that Rudy was already justice minister before 2004, already in 1993 even.

Rudy's initials are H. R. (Hyacinto Rudolf or Rudolfus).
and Hendrik's are H. S.

here my earlier research on Hendrik:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

and on Rudy:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367223#msg367223


here article about the Croes family:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

also mentioned is Glenbert Croes, a son of Betico.
he started his own party. let to a family feud. a fight for Betico's legacy.

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know the name of said party? TIA

[Rob]

this hit-and-run of Hendrik Croes was reported in Dutch newspapers.
there was said that Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
also in the Aruban papers.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/article514116.ece/Oud-minister_Aruba_vast_om_aanrijden_agent?service=Print

but i am still unsure about when Hendrik was exactly justice minister.
at least from 1989. but i don't know when Rudy took over from him. in 2005? i doubt that now.
but in more other articles i read that Rudy was already justice minister before 2004, already in 1993 even.

Rudy's initials are H. R. (Hyacinto Rudolf or Rudolfus).
and Hendrik's are H. S.

here my earlier research on Hendrik:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

and on Rudy:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367223#msg367223


here article about the Croes family:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

also mentioned is Glenbert Croes, a son of Betico.
he started his own party. let to a family feud. a fight for Betico's legacy.

caesu, someone on Aruba has informed me that Glenbert is / was a crackhead and was thrown out of the MEP by Oduber. He then started his own party - which is a very small party currently.

[Lala'sMom]

Now, what do we know about Deutekom?  I just learned to spell his name correctly, so don't anyone think I know more details...I have been confused about Frans since March. 

[mrskub]

Sorry, I can't translate Pap but, maybe this tells something:

Na aña 1968, na yegada di e rumannan Rudy y despues Tommy cu tabata studia na Hulanda, a dicidi di formalisa e grupo formando asina e agrupacion tipico parandero cu despues a wordo bon conoci como Betico Y Su Grupo. E grupo tabata forma pa rumannan Betico, Rudy, Aiky, Tommy, Efrain, Hendrik y Adison, mientras cu e rumannan muher Ada, Chichia, Mary, Didi hunto cu nan famia, tanta, omonan y demas famia, tur tabata participa cantando of tocando un instrumento.

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