Lively Case Discussion #519 8/31 - 9/4/2006

[Pita]

CHA CHA COUTURE  
 
Business address LUCIANITASTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD WEST  
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP  
Name of the company  CHA CHA COUTURE  
Date of commencement  28 MAY 1999  
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 19 APRIL 2006  
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS  
 
LARMONIE-KOCK, CAROL JACQUELINE;  
Residing in  DE LA SALLESTRAAT 10, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 29 JUNE 1966  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  OWNER  
Effective  28 MAY 1999  
Authority  FULL  
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

[Port Valerie]

Rather self-important if not actually offensive slogan for a cha-cha tailor shop or whatever it is, IMHO:

Psalm 139:14    

I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
         Wonderful are Your works,
         And my soul knows it very well

[SunFreak2]

I've got an early date with Mr. Sandman tonight.  

G'nite and pleasant dreams.

[San]

I've got an early date with Mr. Sandman tonight.  

G'nite and pleasant dreams.

Nite SunFreak

[Hotshot]

Thanks Hot Shot.... I thought that the Dad Gottenbos owned an insurance agency.

He does insurance, I just dont have that info.  I was looking for it at one time.

This is where he used to work:

Repeat for those who may have missed it  

I didn't miss it Klaas, but isn't this interesting.  Same address of her clothing buisiness.  Funny while looking into the windows of this place, it had no insurance stuff in there at all.  All making of clothing type things.  See if I can find those pics taken looking through the windows.

[Hotshot]

Klaas what is Koen's fathers name?  He works in insurance right.

Alex or Alexander - edited to add, yes to the insurance  

Also yes to the clothing shop

Evening All ..........

If I Remember Correctly The Entrance To This Establishment Has .........

2 Stone Lions Posts ...........

 

lol, yes it does.  ill find that pic too.  the only thing painted was the eyes

[LilPuma]

Maybe this is why Joran can't remember who was sitting where in the car from his statements.  He was already in the car and knew that Melody had seen him.  This totally blows the timelines if true.  This would put Deepak on the corner near Deepak's place of business.  Could this have been when Joran was waiting on daddy at the McDonald's? Where is the Mickey D's in relation to the Seaport Casino?

On August 3, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CNN that while she was in Alabama BETH learned from a Mountain Brook High School male 2005 graduate that on 5-29 at 11:00 PM Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was already with Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (he was not leaving the “Holiday Inn,” he was not walking towards or at the “McDonald’s” as he claimed, and he was not with Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT) and Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT offered another Mountain Brook High School male a ride back to the “Holiday Inn.”  

I got this from the AOL Journier Blog.

Great find, Lil Puma!  I remember seeing this before.  I wonder if anyone has an FBI 302 from any of the MB kids attesting to this.   I don't think Beth would just fetch this out of thin air.

SunFreak, I think I read one, but I haven't been able to find it.  I got the link from SV (you know who that is) on the other board a few months ago.  I know there were 302s that were not included in Tacopina's docs, nor were they from Greta's over-the-shoulder shots.

[Pita]

Alexander Gottenbos works for the Insurance Center Aruba.....


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 7 JANUARY 1997 under serial number 21367.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
 
INSURANCE CENTER ARUBA  
 
Business address BUBALI 69, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY  
Name of the company  I C A INSURANCE CENTER ARUBA N.V.  
Statutory seat  ARUBA  
Date of incorporation  31 DECEMBER 1996  
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 1,000,000.00  
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 200,000.00  
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 200,000.00  
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER  
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:  
 
GOTTENBOS, ALEXANDER GERARDUS MARIA;  
Residing in  LUCIANITASTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, SON EN BREUGEL on 27 JUNE 1957  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  31 DECEMBER 1996  
Authority  FULL  
   
WAPENAAR, ALFRED DANIEL;  
Residing in  SEROE BLANCO 60-E, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, SCHIEDAM on 18 JULY 1947  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  PROXY  
Effective  19 JANUARY 2006  
Authority  FULL  
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY  
 
A. HET BEMIDDELEN BIJ- EN HET TEN BEHOEVE EN VOOR REKENING VAN DERDEN SLUITEN VAN ALLERLEI VERZEKERINGSOVEREENKOMSTEN, PENSIOENREGELINGEN, FINANCIERINGSOVEREENKOMSTEN AL DAN NIET MET INBEGRIP VAN HET STELLEN VAN ZEKERHEDEN EN IN HET ALGEMEEN HET FUNGEREN ALS MAKELAAR AGENT, TUSSENPERSOON EN VERTEGENWOORDIGER VOOR VERZEKERINGSMAATSCHAPPIJEN;

B. HET FUNGEREN ALS MAKELAAR EN BEMIDDELEN BIJ DE VERKOOP, VERHUUR, BEHEER EN FINANCIERING VAN DE AANKOOP VAN ONROEREND GOED EN/OF REGISTERGOEDEREN;

C. DE VERZORGING VAN DE DIREKTIELEDEN EN GEWEZEN DIREKTIELEDEN (VAN DE DOTERENDE VENNOOTSCHAP) BIJ INVALIDITEIT EN OUDERDOM EN DE VERZORGING VAN HUN ECHTGENOTEN OF SAMENLEVINGSPARTNERS EN VAN HUN MINDERJARIGE KINDEREN EN PLEEGKINDEREN, EEN EN ANDER DOOR MIDDEL VAN PENSIOEN, KRACHTENS EEN PENSIOENREGELING IN DE ZIN VAN DE WETTELIJKE BEPALINGEN BETREFFENDE DE LOONBELASTING, WAARVAN BLIJKT UIT EEN PENSIOENBRIEF.

[San]

With the Gottenbos family moving to the United States does that mean that fat POS Koen escapes interrogations from the Dutch again.

[Hotshot]

[Hotshot]

[Sue]

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”.

So I am reading this right This kids statement places Paulus at the casino
the same time as Natalee... This kid says he Saw Joran and his dad at Texas holdum table when joran got bumped out he went to black jack table, when santos got bumped he went to other table where Joran was playing poker with the girls.. where in here did Paul leave and go home??

[Lala'sMom]

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”.

So I am reading this right This kids statement places Paulus at the casino
the same time as Natalee... This kid says he Saw Joran and his dad at Texas holdum table when joran got bumped out he went to black jack table, when santos got bumped he went to other table where Joran was playing poker with the girls.. where in here did Paul leave and go home??

He didn't go home.  He was at the same table talking to Natalee.  It was him.  They know it and we know it.

[Lala'sMom]

Maybe this is why Joran can't remember who was sitting where in the car from his statements.  He was already in the car and knew that Melody had seen him.  This totally blows the timelines if true.  This would put Deepak on the corner near Deepak's place of business.  Could this have been when Joran was waiting on daddy at the McDonald's? Where is the Mickey D's in relation to the Seaport Casino?

On August 3, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CNN that while she was in Alabama BETH learned from a Mountain Brook High School male 2005 graduate that on 5-29 at 11:00 PM Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was already with Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (he was not leaving the “Holiday Inn,” he was not walking towards or at the “McDonald’s” as he claimed, and he was not with Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT) and Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT offered another Mountain Brook High School male a ride back to the “Holiday Inn.”  

I got this from the AOL Journier Blog.

Thanks Puma, I knew someone would find that  statement.  I am inclined to believe ( heard that somewhere) that Melody was most likely telling the truth as she knew it in those posts.  She had no reason to lie at that time.  Besides if she was with someone else, she could easily be discounted.  Beth heard the same story from one of the MB teens.  She had to have spoken with this guy at some point to verify the story. So now, where does that leave the timeline?

[Ono]

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Based on these statements, I firmly believe that the answers as to what happened to Natalee Holloway lie in the interviews with ALE.   Statements prepared for signature by witnesses and suspects were reduced to mush.  It follows that any physical evidence would be tampered with also.  The fact that no physical evidence of Natalee's activities exists after her departure from C&C's is evidence of a coverup.  No witnesses, no hair, no saliva, blood, not a sandal, a bracelet, watch or earring.   If they were in Roswell, maybe; but this was in Aruba.

This is so true Puma and speaks volumes.

Also, it natalee had been (which we know she was) in Deepaks car even without anything happening "bad" there would have been some forensic evidence left behind.  A stran of hair, a fiber of clothing, a fingerprint.  That would be expected...

The fact that Deepak cleansed his car to me is a red flag...

If the whole evening was innocent and nothing happened to her in their presence there would be no need for the overhaul of the car.

There were/are so many red flags that ALE just let lie there..I find being able to peruse these statements very valuable in many, many ways..what an insight into so many things!

[Sue]

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”.

So I am reading this right This kids statement places Paulus at the casino
the same time as Natalee... This kid says he Saw Joran and his dad at Texas holdum table when joran got bumped out he went to black jack table, when santos got bumped he went to other table where Joran was playing poker with the girls.. where in here did Paul leave and go home??

He didn't go home.  He was at the same table talking to Natalee.  It was him.  They know it and we know it.

Well we know it is him but I am waiting for that BIG bucket of shit to come out Of Police in Aruba or Karin.. when they say it they will know all else is total crap

[Lala'sMom]

Sue
What angers me the most is that we all know he was there and yet the MSM doesn't even seem interested at all.  After reading statements and putting 2 and 2 together...it is obvious that was him.  Yet, nobody, not even the family's staunchest supporters on MSM will talk about it .  It's like it's a non issue...maybe it is...but to know that Paulus did not go home as Joran claims is a HUGE deal to me.

[Ono]

Mrs Red,
I just went to the missing person forum to look at Mr. Reds avatar again. You are right. He is better looking than Rudy Croes. LOL

Rudy Croes looks like a coughdrop salesman.

[Ono]

Ugh, that face of Rudy Croes is enough for nightmares to be made of, shivers.

Can  you imagine what it's like to be an entrepreneur on Aruba that doesn't play their game with the Chamber and the like of that group photo? I wonder what the corporate taxes are as well, and if they have increased exponentially in this last year?

You know what if I were Mrs. Red I would be asking Mr. Red to change his avatar. It reminds me alot of Rudy Croes. LOL

Rudy Croes reminds me of a Keebler Elf

Yes he looks like one!

[Lala'sMom]

Time for me to go to bed.  I will see you guys later. Hugs to Nemo.