Natalee Case Discussion #763 7/6 - 7/11

[KarmaRoundUp]

Not Joran IMO.  He does look enough like Joran to fool people though, and I believe that this photo is from a Thailand album:

Thanks Klaas
This pic is from a girl's pica album....I posted the link a page or 2 back.Looks like they were on a party free for all boat.Maybe this fake joran was on that island and stated he was about to get on his yatt or however you spell it....maybe he was joking that the party boat was his yatt.I dunno...tired now.

[MumInOhio]

Johan...there are two drawings with house numbers and a map right down the bottom of the page at the link...Not sure if it will help at all...Thanks anyway...



Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2699 on: February 25, 2008, 10:03:10 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680

Ask the neighbors if they've seen Freddy the Locoman Pimp.

http://www.freewebs.com/gerben-femke/contact.htm

  Vms...

« Reply #2605 on: February 25, 2008, 01:21:30 PM » 

this is a current database

 Canlas   Teoderico   7/1/1951   Angeles City   Montanja 62
Lacle   Mateo   9/21/1923   Aruba   Montanja 62A
Cratsz   Philip S   9/28/1971   Curacao   Montanja 62C
Cratsz, geb. Ras   Rita E   2/8/1965   Aruba   Montanja 62C
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D
Wu   Huan Z   7/10/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen G   4/14/1976   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen Y   11/8/1973   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu, geb. Liu   Yue Y   11/2/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E

Pita...Caps said no F and this is who is at G...


Reply #2602 on: February 25, 2008, 01:10:36 PM »   
 
wel look at this

Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Paramaribo                Montanja 39C
Aruba                             Montanja 39C
distrikt Commewijne   Montanja 39C
Aruba                            Montanja 39E
Los Taques               Montanja 39G
Punta Cardon               Montanja 39G
Eindhoven              Montanja 39G
Utrecht                           Montanja 39G

Where is the F adress ????

Gerben & Femke?
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D


I don't know. I didn't translate their blog. Looks like they may be teachers living in Aruba or something. I just saw their Montanja 62-D address and thought they must know who lives at #62. 

Maybe Destiny will call them and ask if they can help Johan find their house!
 

[Destiny]

Johan...there are two drawings with house numbers and a map right down the bottom of the page at the link...Not sure if it will help at all...Thanks anyway...



Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2699 on: February 25, 2008, 10:03:10 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680

Ask the neighbors if they've seen Freddy the Locoman Pimp.

http://www.freewebs.com/gerben-femke/contact.htm

  Vms...

« Reply #2605 on: February 25, 2008, 01:21:30 PM » 

this is a current database

 Canlas   Teoderico   7/1/1951   Angeles City   Montanja 62
Lacle   Mateo   9/21/1923   Aruba   Montanja 62A
Cratsz   Philip S   9/28/1971   Curacao   Montanja 62C
Cratsz, geb. Ras   Rita E   2/8/1965   Aruba   Montanja 62C
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D
Wu   Huan Z   7/10/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen G   4/14/1976   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen Y   11/8/1973   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu, geb. Liu   Yue Y   11/2/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E

Pita...Caps said no F and this is who is at G...


Reply #2602 on: February 25, 2008, 01:10:36 PM »   
 
wel look at this

Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Paramaribo                Montanja 39C
Aruba                             Montanja 39C
distrikt Commewijne   Montanja 39C
Aruba                            Montanja 39E
Los Taques               Montanja 39G
Punta Cardon               Montanja 39G
Eindhoven              Montanja 39G
Utrecht                           Montanja 39G

Where is the F adress ????

Gerben & Femke?
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D


I don't know. I didn't translate their blog. Looks like they may be teachers living in Aruba or something. I just saw their Montanja 62-D address and thought they must know who lives at #62. 

Maybe Destiny will call them and ask if they can help Johan find their house!
 

Ringy-ding...ringy-ding...Hello?...this is Destiny calling...would you mind doing a really big favor for me?  Go up on your roof and paint it bright orange...so Johan can take photos from space, so he can see where your house is...you Will?????!!!

Why Thank You!  Fraunzzzz  Doodiekom said you would be more than happy to help....Good Bye...

[johan555]

their Montanja 62-D address and thought they must know who lives at #62. 

and freddy lives at Nr 62 ?

[johan555]

Johan...there are two drawings with house numbers and a map right down the bottom of the page at the link...Not sure if it will help at all...Thanks anyway...



Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2699 on: February 25, 2008, 10:03:10 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680

Ask the neighbors if they've seen Freddy the Locoman Pimp.

http://www.freewebs.com/gerben-femke/contact.htm

  Vms...

« Reply #2605 on: February 25, 2008, 01:21:30 PM » 

this is a current database

 Canlas   Teoderico   7/1/1951   Angeles City   Montanja 62
Lacle   Mateo   9/21/1923   Aruba   Montanja 62A
Cratsz   Philip S   9/28/1971   Curacao   Montanja 62C
Cratsz, geb. Ras   Rita E   2/8/1965   Aruba   Montanja 62C
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D
Wu   Huan Z   7/10/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen G   4/14/1976   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen Y   11/8/1973   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu, geb. Liu   Yue Y   11/2/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E

Pita...Caps said no F and this is who is at G...


Reply #2602 on: February 25, 2008, 01:10:36 PM »   
 
wel look at this

Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Paramaribo                Montanja 39C
Aruba                             Montanja 39C
distrikt Commewijne   Montanja 39C
Aruba                            Montanja 39E
Los Taques               Montanja 39G
Punta Cardon               Montanja 39G
Eindhoven              Montanja 39G
Utrecht                           Montanja 39G

Where is the F adress ????

Gerben & Femke?
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D


I don't know. I didn't translate their blog. Looks like they may be teachers living in Aruba or something. I just saw their Montanja 62-D address and thought they must know who lives at #62. 

Maybe Destiny will call them and ask if they can help Johan find their house!
 

Ringy-ding...ringy-ding...Hello?...this is Destiny calling...would you mind doing a really big favor for me?  Go up on your roof and paint it bright orange...so Johan can take photos from space, so he can see where your house is...you Will?????!!!

Why Thank You!  Fraunzzzz  Doodiekom said you would be more than happy to help....Good Bye...

Haha 
i can also send her  a email  !

[vms]

their Montanja 62-D address and thought they must know who lives at #62. 

and freddy lives at Nr 62 ?

Freddy's mom:

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA; 
Residing in  MONTANJA 62, NOORD, ARUBA 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37260

[dennisintn]

I don't remember seeing this picture of joran before....he is in someone's pica album.I'll see if I remember how to insert images here......

Here is the website....lot's of images,some may have joran in them or at least it looks a little like him in the thimbnail images.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_NlBMrdk53D8/SBO_n3uuPuI/AAAAAAAAFDA/UoFP3cMdofs/P1050947.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WVNZpvl79Bx27rNLsI5AHw&h=1600&w=1200&sz=15&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=9HL-4-lRBSTn9M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBangkok%252BJoran%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8

He looks like Joran but I'm not sure if it's him or not. {{{EDIT to Add Picture}}}

Thank you Blonde
I don't think that's joran unless......his head grew more only at the top lol
That's it....he's about to explode.

this looks, from the stance and youthful unlined face, like a younger jvds with the beard pasted in.
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Dennis - IMO it doesn't even look like Joran did when he was younger.  This person looks "normal", Joran has never looked "normal".

[wreck]

Dennis - IMO it doesn't even look like Joran did when he was younger.  This person looks "normal", Joran has never looked "normal".

Yup, that was the point I was trying to make too!

[SunnyinTX]

Quick poll...
 
 
Crime Scene:
(1) Beach.
(2) VanderSloot home.
(3) Other... Where? ___________

Body Disposal:
(1) Same night.
(2) Following night.
(3) Days later.
(4) Other... When? ___________

Disposal Site:
(1) Ocean.
(2) Landfill.
(3) Incinerator.
(4) Other... Where? ___________

1.
1.
1.

[SunnyinTX]

I don't remember seeing this picture of joran before....he is in someone's pica album.I'll see if I remember how to insert images here......

Here is the website....lot's of images,some may have joran in them or at least it looks a little like him in the thimbnail images.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_NlBMrdk53D8/SBO_n3uuPuI/AAAAAAAAFDA/UoFP3cMdofs/P1050947.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WVNZpvl79Bx27rNLsI5AHw&h=1600&w=1200&sz=15&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=9HL-4-lRBSTn9M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBangkok%252BJoran%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8

He looks like Joran but I'm not sure if it's him or not. {{{EDIT to Add Picture}}}

I don't beleive this is him,,,this guy looks much younger and more normal....jvds doesn't look 'normal' to me...he has been rid'en hard and put up wet too many times..looks like it could be a cousin or some van der sloot relative...but not jvds IMO?

[bleachedblack]

Karmaroundup wrote;

My whole point was that this isn't joran BUT this guy was partying with those girls in Bankok where joran supposedly is.The girl(on her web site)even had the pic titled joran van der sloot.
What I'm trying to say is IMO THIS guy is the guy on that island nekkid and trying to wag something around that he doesn't have lmao.....I think I need a nap.

I agree that the person in photo is NOT Joran. I do not think it is the same guy as we saw nekkid either. This "younger" Joran has a slight build......nekkid Joran was on the fleshy side.
Real Joran is IMO on the fleshy side.

[SunnyinTX]

Johan, the guy to the left of the girl is Quincy, a Steve Croes look a like.

OK..this is an ugly statement...but how can there be two guys that ugly and looks so much alike on one small island...it must be all the inbreeding!

[SunnyinTX]

I don't remember seeing this picture of joran before....he is in someone's pica album.I'll see if I remember how to insert images here......

Here is the website....lot's of images,some may have joran in them or at least it looks a little like him in the thimbnail images.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_NlBMrdk53D8/SBO_n3uuPuI/AAAAAAAAFDA/UoFP3cMdofs/P1050947.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WVNZpvl79Bx27rNLsI5AHw&h=1600&w=1200&sz=15&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=9HL-4-lRBSTn9M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBangkok%252BJoran%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8

He looks like Joran but I'm not sure if it's him or not. {{{EDIT to Add Picture}}}

Not Joran - IMO

In fact, I have never seen Joran look "normal" or "happy" in ANY pic. He always looks drunk, stoned, or stupid in every legitimate picture I have ever seen of him.

wreck...we think alike...in fact I used the same words....this guy looks too normal to be jvds

[dennisintn]

Dennis - IMO it doesn't even look like Joran did when he was younger.  This person looks "normal", Joran has never looked "normal".

that, ma'am, could possibly be the understatement of the year.  he does not look or act normal at all, yet it's one of his favorite words.  wonder why.
dennisintn

[SunnyinTX]

I don't remember seeing this picture of joran before....he is in someone's pica album.I'll see if I remember how to insert images here......

Here is the website....lot's of images,some may have joran in them or at least it looks a little like him in the thimbnail images.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_NlBMrdk53D8/SBO_n3uuPuI/AAAAAAAAFDA/UoFP3cMdofs/P1050947.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WVNZpvl79Bx27rNLsI5AHw&h=1600&w=1200&sz=15&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=9HL-4-lRBSTn9M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBangkok%252BJoran%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8

He looks like Joran but I'm not sure if it's him or not. {{{EDIT to Add Picture}}}

Thank you Blonde
I don't think that's joran unless......his head grew more only at the top lol
That's it....he's about to explode.

My whole point was that this isn't joran BUT this guy was partying with those girls in Bankok where joran supposedly is.The girl(on her web site)even had the pic titled joran van der sloot.
What I'm trying to say is IMO THIS guy is the guy on that island nekkid and trying to wag something around that he doesn't have lmao.....I think I need a nap.

KArma I do believe that neddik picture was jvds...not this kid...the nekkid, no tallywacher waving urine is much heavier than this one....but i wouldn't dobt he is a relative

[caesu]

just politics stuff. not too much related to Aruba for now.
but if the Dutch are going to act to force Aruba to sort out their mess (justice system, financially due to economic downturn) it might go in a way simular to what is now happening in St. Maarten and Curaçao.

Island Council approves resolution on temporary financial supervision

PHILIPSBURG--The Island Council unanimously approved the draft Consensus Kingdom resolution on temporary financial supervision on Monday. In the resolution passed it was agreed to include also the issue concerning appeals against decisions of the Kingdom Council of Ministers.

  The opinion of the Island Council was that the Kingdom Council of Ministers could not be considered to be an independent body when it concerned decisions taken by that same Council of Ministers. The opinion of the Island Council is that an appeal to the general body of the Kingdom Council of State would constitute an acceptable temporary decision.

  In the event it will not be possible to facilitate a solution via the Kingdom Council of State, the draft resolution should be adjusted to make possible administrative appeal to the Kingdom Council of Ministers under the explicit stipulation that the Council of Ministers may not deviate from the advice and draft decision of the Council of State and that the Council of State prepare such decision in complete independence, taking all aspects of the case into consideration.

  The Island Council appeals to the governments of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Curaçao to consider these adjustments to the resolution and to put similar proposals forward to the Council of State.

  Constitutional Affairs Commissioner Sarah Wescot-Williams expressed once again during the Island Council meeting her concerns about not having an exact date for attaining country status.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/tdhonline/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=254

Important step

That the Island Council unanimously approved the resolution regulating financial supervision pending the consensus Kingdom Law not only helps open the door to much-needed debt relief for the Netherlands Antilles, but sends an important message that St. Maarten as a future country is serious about safeguarding the proper use of public funds.

That the island wants an independent body for appeals against decisions of the Kingdom Council of Ministers other than that same council makes sense from a democratic point of view and should not become a breaking point, especially since the Council of State is mentioned as a temporary solution.

Granted, the approval represents just one step, also in light of the observations that accompanied it. But the financial supervision is a major issue in considering the five-billion-guilder debt built up by the Antilles over the years.

Especially in the Netherlands the news will be welcomed, because along with the constitutional reforms it entails spending millions of Dutch European tax payer funds. Structural overspending in the islands will no longer be possible and budgets will have to be balanced.

That is also reassuring to local residents who had feared that along with the country status might come new debts and resulting financial burdens that would eventually end up being passed on to tax payers. The financial supervision in effect means the future of the people of the islands can no longer be mortgaged as many believe was done in the past by the Antillean political establishment.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/tdhonline/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=249

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Ministers_of_the_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Council_of_State

[SunnyinTX]

Maybe Destiny will call them and ask if they can help Johan find their house!
 

 

[AZSunny]

Dennis - IMO it doesn't even look like Joran did when he was younger.  This person looks "normal", Joran has never looked "normal".

Yes, this looks like a happy young man. Not joran.  I also do not think this is the one naked on the beach holding is dinkus.  That joker was the real Joran.

[SunnyinTX]

Dennis - IMO it doesn't even look like Joran did when he was younger.  This person looks "normal", Joran has never looked "normal".

hahahaha...there's that word again...normal...just doesn't apply to urine....but on a serious note...this young man could really be in danger...he should be very careful where he goes...someone could easily take him for jvds and beat the crap outta him or worse.....   I certainly don't want to see any other innocent, harmed because of this piece of crappola